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CAP 4 CAP 4 - Attacking Moves Discussion
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And Wooper and Togekiss get Focus Punch. The point is we shouldn't put moves on Pokemon that don't make much sense just because Gamefreak did something similar.
^ This. No non-scarf Garchomp would dare switch into this guy in fear of Encore/HP Ice.
I think your calculation is a bit off. I got this when I calculate this guy using HP Ice on Garchomp: 59.22% - 70.39% . Did you maxed out it's special attack?
I think Icy Wind should be a viable option.
Well Icy Wind 2HKO's chomp, unless it has a Yache, and the speed drop will make sure you go first next turn. Also lowering speed is not very common in OU and I wish it were more common.
There's very little rhyme or reason to who gets icy wind to begin with.
You mean most Garchomps. Meanwhile, It EQ's for the kill.
Most of the Pokemon who get it are Water/Ice type or have something to do with wind. There are some exceptions, but most exceptions get Ice Beam too. I really don't see the need for it, seeing as you outspeed most of the metagame to begin with, including the Dragons you would use it on.
does eq OHKO our spider?
Uh...yes. Not only that but it overkill it. This does leave you wondering "If said Garchomp is aware of DDL presents (via reading these threads or whatnot), then why doesn't he just EQ the bastard without trying to sword dance first?"
It does? I must have messed up the calculations. Nonetheless, Icy Wind is futile.
Most pokemon that get Icy Wind were from ADV move tutors, which this doesn't have the privilages of going to. Besides, why bother with it if you're already faster anyways, since everyone wanted to max out Speed or whatever before.
This. Why bother wasting a space that could be used for another move?
If you're using the EV spread of 252 HP, 252 Speed, 4 Special Attack it does.
Jolly Chomp with max attack using EQ on 252 Hp / 0 Def (394/254) spider:
77.66% - 91.37%
Adamant Chomp's EQ vs Spider:
85.28% - 100.51%
Holy Shit, I had the damn crit button on when doing the calcs, stupid stupid stupid. He can survive a EQ from a Chomp though probably not from an Life Orb or Choice Band.
I got something close to a OHKO but not quite.
What calcs are yall using?
What calcs are yall using?
Icy Vegeta/Gengar Master~ This one: http://ownpurpose.com/damage_calculator_test.php
(85.79% - 101.02%) is what I got.
252 HP neutral nature spider vs. Adamant Chomp.
252 HP neutral nature spider vs. Adamant Chomp.
so, our spider has a good chance to survive?
icy wind will assure a next turn outspeed, so icy wind will help our pokemon with chomps just trying to EQ him.
icy wind will assure a next turn outspeed, so icy wind will help our pokemon with chomps just trying to EQ him.
Which further proves the fact that I think it could usefull on Mr.Hands.
Best Case Senario: You come in after Chomp took something out. It hasn't SD'd yet. You 2HKO while taking significant damage.
Worst Case Senario: You mispredict on the switch in and it kills you while taking about half-damage.
Worse-than-worse case senario: You have a heart attack and a stroke while playing, and your house blows up. Garchomp laughs at you.
Edit: Actually, it doesn't prove your point. Its a high-risk/low reward situation.
Worst Case Senario: You mispredict on the switch in and it kills you while taking about half-damage.
Worse-than-worse case senario: You have a heart attack and a stroke while playing, and your house blows up. Garchomp laughs at you.
Edit: Actually, it doesn't prove your point. Its a high-risk/low reward situation.
But then again, you have to assume that it works well on other Dragons. Also, Yanmega's Speed Boost is nullified making it easier to take down.
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