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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 3 (Secondary Typing Poll 1)

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1) No secondary Typing
2) Normal

I really hope we can keep this mono as the problem with seconndarys is they can really muddle what constitutes mold breaking where as keeping it one type makes it clear and simple. Any disadvantages a single typing might have can be overcome with abilites, stats and moves which pretty much the point of the concept in the first place.

So why did I vote normal 2nd? Cause I want to ensure I don't end up supporty and 2ndary typing inadvertantly.
 
Right now it seems that Dragon, Fighting, Nothing and Flying are getting the most votes.

Exclamation Point, you make the same mistake again, giving it a second type that is mostly a fast special sweeper wont break the mold( Gengar is not a Special Sweeper because of Poison type, and Omastar is not a Special Sweeper because of its Rock type)
 
1. Dragon
2. No Secondary Typing

Dragon makes a decent second type in terms of weaknesses/resistances and would be somewhat breaking the Dragon mold since most Dragons primarily attack physically, or have higher Atk stats anyways. This would also leave the most interesting options for the pokemon design imo.
Other than that, I would prefer a Mono rock type.
 
1. No secondary typing
2. Fighting

If this Pokemon is geared towards offense, then the primary concern of a secondary typing is whether the additional STAB would be a useful supplement to Rock, IMO. The problem is... I don't think there's a great choice here. None of the three types that resist Rock (Steel, Ground, Fighting) share a weakness, which makes picking a good complement harder here.

My first choice would thus be to just make it monotype and give it better stats and movepool to compensate. Of the possible secondary typings, Fighting looks the best at first glance; it hits every steel type for at least neutral damage plus the other two neutral, and Steels are some of the hardest walls to break through. Still, I'm open to arguments here, since it's not really a terrific fit.

Flying would rip through most Fighting types besides Lucario and hit bulky Grounds hard, but leaves you walled badly by Steels. Water hits almost every major Rock resist for neutral damage, which is inviting, but it feels too similar to Omastar and risks turning into a primarily Water type sweeper in effect. Dragon feels like it'd overshadow Rock as an STAB type with the likes of Draco Meteor floating around. I'm a bit worried that either Dragon or Water or muddle the waters on what type mold we're trying to break, also. Steel adds almost nothing to a sweeper, which people seem to have realized in the transition to this topic. Bug/Rock is good defensively but a poor offensive combo, walled easily by Fighting and Steel types. Ground works for much the same reason as Fighting, but with levitators like Bronzong everywhere worse as a complement.
 
Choice 1: Dragon
Choice 2: Fire

Dragon at least negates the godawful x4 weakness issues you run into by using a lot of the other types, and provides a few somewhat decent resists (x4 fire is nice for switching in on Heatran assuming it outspeeds him and gets earth power) and also provides a very strong secondary STAB in Dragon Pulse/Draco Meteor. Also leads to a potentially very badass sprite.

Rock/Fire is not unique and pretty bad defensively but provides a decent offensive STAB combination, only resisted by Garchomp and Swampert in OU.

Also, Rock/Dragon is a never before used typing which is always nice for adding metagame diversity rather than making what would essentially be a special aerodactyl with the more defensively sound flying secondary. The only speedy rock pokemon out there is Aerodactyl, I don't want to see something with the same typing doing essentially the same thing but with special moves.
 
I go away for a while and you go and spring the one I've been waiting for; a CaP Rock-type :heart:

Voting for;

1. No secondary typing
2. Fire

I want a pure rocky. I'm not fond of flying, because it'd be too much like aerodactyl in my mind, and dragon is a no because we don't need more ice/dragon weaks. I'd quite like to see a rock/steel with levitate and psychic, but thats getting ahead. So, pure rock, because it rocks :D

and fire, because I think it would be interesting (plus its resistant to fire, flying, ice and bug)... yeah, I'm reaching.

edit; is it secured as a fast, frail sweeper? or is there the option to make it special-bulky as well?
 
1. Bug
2. Grass

1 is because of the defensive possibilities and 2 is because of the coverage it gives.

IDEA : You know the thing that tells you what the types resist? Then how about one that tells you what the STAB moves hit?
 
I, like tennis am against no secondary type - a sweeper with 2 STABs is almost always better as long as it doesnt bring crippling weaknesses a la Rock/Steel. Rock has a plethora of weaknesses that could easily be reduced by adding a secondary type, while still breaking the mold.

Firstly, the biggest stereotype of Rock pokemon is that they're physical, so to some extent any of the physical types from before the physical/special split could work.
These are:
Normal, Fighting, Flying, Poison, Ground, Bug, Ghost and Steel.

Of these, several come with crippling 4x weaknesses:
Normal, Poison, Ground and Steel
leaving us with
Fighting, Flying, Bug and Ghost.

Of these, the only one with a real stereotype of speed is Flying.

So out of Fighting, Bug and Ghost, I'd say Bug is the best defensive typing, adding an annoying Rock weakness but neutralising 3 Rock weaknesses and 2 Bug weaknesses - an amazing combo really. Fighting is better than Ghost as it has more of a physical and slow stereotype than Ghost.

1. Fighting
2. Bug
 
yourDeadGrandad said:
I go away for a while and you go and spring the one I've been waiting for; a CaP Rock-type :heart:

Voting for;

1. No secondary typing
2. Fire

I want a pure rocky. I'm not fond of flying, because it'd be too much like aerodactyl in my mind, and dragon is a no because we don't need more ice/dragon weaks. I'd quite like to see a rock/steel with levitate and psychic, but thats getting ahead. So, pure rock, because it rocks :D

and fire, because I think it would be interesting (plus its resistant to fire, flying, ice and bug)... yeah, I'm reaching.

edit; is it secured as a fast, frail sweeper? or is there the option to make it special-bulky as well?
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If we make it bulky we won't really break the mold and thats the target here.
 
Choice 1: Fighting
Choice 2: Dragon

70 Power STAB really doesn't cut it, so Fighting gives it a secondary STAB with good coverage, along with Power Gem. Dragon as a filler for now, but I want to see the art for Rock/Dragon. That would look really cool, imo. :x
 
Ghost
Dragon
Ghost because it not only provides an immunity to one of Rock's weaknesses, but Normal Type attacks as well. Out of all the type combinations with Rock, I feel this one is inferior only to my second choice (but I feel this one would be more likely to win).
Dragon is my second choice. It rids Rock of two weaknesses, doubles a resistance, adds a resistance, and gives two weaknesses in exchange. I feel that's a fair trade, to help Rock's horribly large number of weaknesses shrink.
Why not:
Electric-4x Ground weakness? Gross.
Steel-Even worse with a 4x Fighting weakness to accompany that
Bug-Lol, I don't think this is some godly type combination like others have stated.
Two resistances and 3 weaknesses. Just no.
 
Choice 1: No secondary Typing
Choice 2: Bug

I want a pure Rock special sweeper. Giving it a secondary type kinda ruins the fun. Bug is my second choice though because of it's minimal weaknesses.
 
I personally do NOT want a Rock/Dragon, because It would be the only non-Uber Dragon without a 4x Ice weakness, and it can even score Super-Effective Damage on an Ice type.
 
bug- because if you look at the bugs in ou (hera,fort, scizor,and yanmega) only one of them is fast (or sp.) so that would help brake the mold more.
no secondary typing- flipped a coin and tails it was
(other was grass)
 
1. Fighting
2. Bug

EDIT: The rock and fighting combination is only resisted by Revenankh, Fidgit, Gallade and Medicham in OU/BL. That makes for some good coverage by STAB moves!
And in UU you also have Claydol and the Nidos, but who doesn't want to see more to them anyway?

Bug covers many of rocks weaknesses and makes for an interesting special sweeper though we already have Yanmega.

Thanks Fishin for correcting me on the UU pokés.
 
Choice 1: No Secondary Type
I think it is VERY IMPORTANT to be a mono-rock in order to fulfill the purpose. For those saying stuff about rocks weaknesses, there aren't any 4x weak obviously and I'm sure we'd take into consideration it's typing when we make it's base stat total. Special Sweeper certainly does not mean Glass Cannon lol.

Choice 2: Ground
 
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