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CAP 5 CAP 5 - Part 3 (Secondary Typing Poll 1)

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1. Fighting
2. Ghost

Rock/Fighting would be an interesting combination. Makes me think of a golem; more a humanoid one than the 1st-gen pokemon which is more a boulder. I've got some ideas as to design I think would be pretty neat.
 
Figured this would be helpful. Copied from Bulbapedia's average stats for each type:

Attack averages of each type
Rock: 81
Normal: 66
Fighting: 93
Flying: 73
Poison: 68
Ground: 81
Bug: 65
Ghost: 68
Steel: 85
Fire: 81
Water: 70
Grass: 61
Electric: 58
Psychic: 65
Ice: 67
Dragon: 96
Dark: 93

Special Attack averages of each type:
Rock: 57
Normal: 54
Fighting: 51
Flying: 69
Poison: 68
Ground: 53
Bug: 48
Ghost: 76
Steel: 66
Fire: 86
Water: 69
Grass: 72
Electric: 84
Psychic: 86
Ice: 74
Dragon: 86
Dark: 76

Speed averages of each type:
Rock: 48
Normal: 63
Fighting: 64
Flying: 83
Poison: 62
Ground: 54
Bug: 57
Ghost: 62
Steel: 53
Fire: 72
Water: 62
Grass: 57
Electric: 85
Psychic: 74
Ice: 66
Dragon: 81
Dark: 71
 
Choice 1: Steel
Choice 2: Fighting

An aggressive Natured Steel Fighting type wouldn't be too hard to design, but would be awesome to break the aggron / Probopass mould. Fighting types can be very varied, from bulkier 'mons like Hariyama and Machamp, to More aggressive models like Lucario. Lucario is already Steel / Fighting, so I will be interested to see what the Smogon Community can do with that one.
 
So as you can see, Fighting has the 2nd highest average attack stat in the game, and the second lowest special attack, after Bug. It has pretty average speed, so makes a pretty good stereotype combo with Rock.

Bug has the Lowest special attack in the game, and the joint 3rd lowest speed, despite many Bugs being Bug/Flying, and Flying having the 2nd highest speed. Clearly, Bug is a good physical and slow stereotype combo with Rock.

As a result of these averages I'm changing my vote as Fighting fits the slow and physical stereotype much better than Ghost.
 
1. Bug
2. Grass

They have the least weaknesses - I especially don't want a 4x eq weakness or it is unusable.

Rock/Bug has few resistances and both types are usually physical so a fast special sweeper could do good. Plus bug has good type coverage when combined with rock.
 
1. No secondary typing
2. Normal

While perusing the previous posts, I ran along something that sums up my thoughts on why I would vote this way, so instead of reiterating and rewording, here it is:

DougJustDoug said:
I do not want any secondary type. If we have to have a secondary type, I do not want it to overshadow Rock as the primary attacking STAB. If we go Fighting or Flying, I fear it will do just that. So I went with Normal, because it won't steal limelight from Rock, while still being useful in certain situations.
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Choice 1: Steel

Steel would be a very nice backup STAB IMO and provide some extremely useful resistances (Ice, Dark, Ghost, Bug, Psychic and Dragon. Also 4x to Normal and Flying.), some people think that the 4x weakness to Fighting and Ground will be crippling, that would be true for a slow physical tank like Aggron or Protopass but for this Pokemon is a non issue given that it will almost certainly have low Physical survivability (so be KOd by most 2x weak Ground and Fight attacks anyway) and high speed.

Also Steel STAB has little danger of overshadowing rock given its notoriously poor coverage.

Choice 2: Fighting

Meh... I chose this as my second choice because:
1. I think it sould have a dual type, I know mono-rock is rare but it would be cool to have something a bit more unusual.
2. It has the same stereotype as Rock, they are both relatively slow Physical sweepers on the whole.

Also to anyone who sais something like:
"but we have a fast/special steel, Jirachi/Lucario"

Just because there are exceptions does NOT change the stereotype. If there was a rock type with 120 SpA and 110 Spe the stereotype of Rocks would be pretty much the same (maybe unless that Rock was very popular).

If we want this to be a successful Sp Sweeper we need to give it a new STAB and/or a secondary STAB. Power Gem is not enough.
 
I'm going to stop the poll here. However, the next poll probably won't be up until tomorrow, as I don't have computer access until tomorrow. At the moment, I'm using my Wii to type this. To recap: This poll is closed.
 
jagged_angel said:
Figured this would be helpful. Copied from Bulbapedia's average stats for each type:

*big list*
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The problem with that lists (the ones you posted, and the one that Gothic Togekiss compiled for HP) is that they are not normalized. In order to compare the stat distribution we should have to compare relative values, not absolute values like the ones posted. As you can see, in most stats, Dragons are number 1 or 2. But that only means that the average BST of dragons is very high, so of course, each of their stats will be high, too. On the other hand, bugs are usually at the bottom on all lists, because Bugs BST is usually very low, so their stats can't be that high.

However, if we normalized the stats to a cetain BST, then YES, we could compare the stat distribution of all types equally. Bugs may not have great attack stats, but it is usually one of their highest stats. Also, Dragons may have a pretty high average speed, but among their stats, it isn't usually the most prominent one.

Just saying.
 
Wow, people really need to learn to read, and get votes in faster. By a strange turn of events I have computer access until about 9:50 EST. I'll attempt to count the votes now, but more likely they'll be up tomorrow as said earlier.
 
Wow, people really need to learn to read
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To be fair, It's a voting thread. Most of the time theres no need to read "Electric, Normal, Psychic" for 15 minutes. Maybe next time it could go in the first post...?
 
This is a list of pokemon stat tendencies by type. The list of pokemon was taken from the Smogon analysis page (including Pikachu, Porygon2, etc., excluding Arceus). Base stat totals were normalized to a total of 1200 and then averaged. When reading this table, remember that 200 represents an average stat.

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[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Type      Total HP  Atk Def SpA SpD Spe BST [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Bug        27   174 225 217 178 224 183 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Dark       16   185 254 185 208 179 188 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Dragon     12   186 218 188 216 202 190 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Electric   16   179 178 166 231 204 242 1200[/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Fighting   15   184 271 182 160 209 196 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Fire       17   178 220 189 233 199 181 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Flying     41   194 206 185 199 198 218 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Ghost      11   162 224 200 216 206 192 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Grass      26   194 216 200 221 205 164 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Ground     24   206 249 244 168 184 149 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Ice        14   195 194 201 207 213 190 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Normal     43   226 217 179 176 188 214 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Poison     22   194 216 187 203 202 198 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Psychic    38   179 190 188 226 217 201 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Rock       20   180 220 298 157 220 125 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Steel      18   168 208 289 187 216 131 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Water      50   205 205 210 206 203 170 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
 
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Adjusted for CAP         [/SIZE][/COLOR]
 
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Bug        28   173 226 214 181 221 186 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Fighting   16   185 269 183 159 211 193 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Fire       18   183 217 192 232 199 178 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Ghost      12   166 225 201 210 209 189 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Grass      27   196 214 202 220 205 163 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Ground     25   206 245 243 169 184 153 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Ice        15   192 198 197 210 208 195 1200 [/SIZE][/COLOR]
[COLOR=black][SIZE=2]Poison     23   195 213 189 203 200 199 1200[/SIZE][/COLOR]
 
It makes it so that the highest or lowest stat of one type can be compared to another type on equal terms.

Thanks for this Chrono!
 
Rock 20 180 220 298 157 220 125 1200

Those are the above average stats for Rock. Apparently, we have to give it lowish SDef, but can boost HP.
 
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