Acutally, what you said for Poison Heal applies only on the first turn it switches in.
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CAP 9 CAP 9 - Part 2 - Main Typing Poll
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Acutally, what you said for Poison Heal applies only on the first turn it switches in.
Or it could have Poison Heal. Or Natural Cure. Or Shed Skin. Or any of the other abilities that prevent Burns. Fire typing is not worth it simply for a Burn immunity.
So we make sure it can switch in, take hits, take the secondary, in different areas. Such as ability. But we cannot make it able to consistently take out the majority of secondary attackers without a decent typing for the job - a typing that Dark excels in.
Or... it could not be using a status move as you switch it in. Or it could be using Toxic as you switch it in. Or it could have switched in earlier and already activated Poison Heal? and none of those arguments make the slightest difference to Natural Cure.
Or it could be using a different kind of status move as you switch it in for the first time, in which case you are totally screwed without a means of dealing with this unwanted effect.
The point is, you don't know that CAP9 is going to switch in relatively safely on a move with a secondary effect unless it is immune to said secondary effect. If it isn't, then its ability to punish users of the move is severely hindered in some cases, and it becomes set-up fodder in some others. Of course, if there were some kind of evidence of people thinking things through more than I give credit for, then I wouldn't have much reason to argue, but such evidence is non-existant until the ability polls.
Don't be so harsh to other people, please.
I understand there is a chance you get in on a status which negates Toxic Orb. But who said that is the time where you would throw CAP9 in? There will probably be enough Pokémon CAP9 can come in safely without worrying for the first switch in that much.
There is no such thing as a safe switch in, regardless of whether you are immune naturally to said status move that you think it will be using. We have a Blissey - you have the same Fire/Ground @ Immunity that was used earlier. It resists Flamethrower, is immune to Toxic and Thunder Wave. Great. But when you switch it in, Blissey uses Sing. You've just lost it. I never suggested that CAP9 would be able to switch in relatively safely on every secondary move, but you seem to think that the only way to make it safe from status is to use a defensively weak typing with no real way to truly beat the main users of secondary moves, while still unable to cover the number of status moves as another Pokemon with Poison Heal. Breloom can activate Poison Heal early on in the game and be relatively safe for the rest - just switch in on something unlikely to hurt you. And don't say that once they've seen it, they'll avoid giving you any free switch-ins by using status moves - In that situation CAP9 has discouraged the use of a secondary move and has achieved its goal as far as the project is concerned.
I believe I have explained my views as thoroughly now as I will ever, so to avoid repeating myself I do not intend to carry on this argument. Your views hold water, and I respect your opinion as a loquacent contributor to CAP. Judge for yourself whether I have thought things through more than you give credit for, this time.
Because Fire/Ground is a weak type, when it boasts two of the best STABS in OU, only has two weaknesses, 4 resists, and an immunity, while being immune to Sandstorm, Burns, and Thunder Wave.
Fire/Ground type:
Immune to:
Electric
Resists:
Bug
Fire
Poision
Steel
Weak to:
Ground
Water (x4)
Wow, Levitate cures the Ground weakness, and gives T-Spikes and Spikes immunity. As well as mixed potenual to beat most walls, the most common users of Toxic. Admittedly, the resists are not the best in the world, except maybe the Fire one, and the weaknesses are bad, but by no means is Ground a poor defensive type. Swampert having one weakness, and Flygon having two.
That, Objection, was me being an idiot, and it's fixed, so thanks.
Yeah, I know it's a lost cause. However, I disliked people bashing Ground as a defensive type, especially when it's better than Dark is defensivly. Guess I'm too stubborn... or hopeing for a last minuite influx of Ground votes. Swampert and Hippowdon are better defenders than Umbreon, the lone, Dark OU wall.
As I stated before, the main point for Dark is Persuiting Trick Users. Trick is used on the switch in. You Persuit. That long list of pokemon I stated before get a free set up, and spell GG. Gyarados, Lucario, Salamance, Metagross, the list goes on and on.
Not to mention Dark does NOTHING to stop secondaries.
Basically, either Dark CAP9 will end up not using Persuit, at least, not on trickers, as it's set-up bait. Which defies the purpose of it being a Dark Type.
That's probobly the last time I'll be arguing in this thread. I made my points, half of them were ignored, especially the game-ending sweepers part, arguably the most important thing. I'll be back in future threads, however, probobly arguing against the majority again.
Dark/Ground, anyone?
As long as Magic Guard dosen't end up being the ability (In other words, we have an evil, OU Clefable), I'm semi-happy.
Yeah, I know it's a lost cause. However, I disliked people bashing Ground as a defensive type, especially when it's better than Dark is defensivly. Guess I'm too stubborn... or hopeing for a last minuite influx of Ground votes. Swampert and Hippowdon are better defenders than Umbreon, the lone, Dark OU wall.
As I stated before, the main point for Dark is Persuiting Trick Users. Trick is used on the switch in. You Persuit. That long list of pokemon I stated before get a free set up, and spell GG. Gyarados, Lucario, Salamance, Metagross, the list goes on and on.
Not to mention Dark does NOTHING to stop secondaries.
Basically, either Dark CAP9 will end up not using Persuit, at least, not on trickers, as it's set-up bait. Which defies the purpose of it being a Dark Type.
That's probobly the last time I'll be arguing in this thread. I made my points, half of them were ignored, especially the game-ending sweepers part, arguably the most important thing. I'll be back in future threads, however, probobly arguing against the majority again.
Dark/Ground, anyone?
As long as Magic Guard dosen't end up being the ability (In other words, we have an evil, OU Clefable), I'm semi-happy.
I vote Dark.
STAB Pursuit for Trickers? Taunt? Count me in.
Though, Scizor will probably rise in usage even more to check this thing, though, now I'm just getting ahead of myself.
STAB Pursuit for Trickers? Taunt? Count me in.
Though, Scizor will probably rise in usage even more to check this thing, though, now I'm just getting ahead of myself.
This will be so much better than resorting to using Limber as an ability.
Since when was Dark-type necessary to gain access to Taunt? Gyarados, Gliscor, Aerodactyl, Azelf and Heatran among many others would like words with you.
Fixed.
Not to mention, that LONG list of Game-ending sweepers who get a free set-up when you are locked on Persuit because of Trick. (I'll not give up until the Poll closes XD)
And besides, Dark doesn't need any more votes. Unless an entire large clan comes out of nowhere and votes for something else, it's won
True... now that I think about it, this is exactly why Dark's winning by a mile isn't it?
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