Choice Specs Lickilicky?

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I was just looking through the Analysis for Lickilicky, and realized that there was no special set for him despite his above average Special attack. After all, it's only 5 base lower than his attack. I then went onto Serebii and looked up his special moves, which was quite impressive, to say the least.

Here's the set I'm proposing:

Lickilicky@ Choice Specs
Modest
252 Hp/4 Def/252 Satk
-Focus Blast
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Fire Blast

Pretty sure it hits everything in the game neutral, and Focus Blast 3hko's standard Blissey. Fire Blast will be the main attack as it packs the most power and it fairly accurate. Alternately, You can stick Surf or Explosion in there some where.

Damage Calcs against all of Lickilicky's counters+more. Note: All the damage calcs are based on the bulkiest sets of the respective Pokemon from the analysises.

Fire Blast
Metagross(252 Hp, neutral nature) 103.02% - 121.15%

Skarmory(252 Hp, neutral nature) 137.43% - 161.68%

Forretress(252 Hp, neutral nature) 292.37% - 344.07%

Tangrowth(252 Hp, neutral nature) 146.78% - 172.77%

Weezing(252 Hp, neutral nature) 68.86% - 80.84%

Gengar(4 hp, neutral nature) 82.82% - 97.71%

Mismagius(252 Hp, 196 Sp.def, + nature) 38.89% - 45.68%

Dusknoir(252 Hp, 180 Sp.def, neutral nature) 31.63% - 37.07%

Cressilia(252 Hp, 252 Sp.def, + nature) 23.42% - 27.48% :(

Bronzong(252 Hp, 98 Sp.def, + nature) 75.15% - 88.46%

Thunderbolt
Gyarados(212 Hp, neutral nature) 142.45% - 167.45%

Skarmory(252 Hp, neutral nature) 109.28% - 128.44%

Milotic(252 Hp, neutral nature) 57.36% - 67.51%

Slowbro(212 Hp, neutral nature) 85.42% - 100.52%

Slowking(212 HP, 252 Sp.def, + nature) 48.44% - 57.03%

Ice Beam
Salamence(120 Hp, neutral nature) 272.58% - 320.78%

Garchomp(32 Sp.def, neutral nature) 252.66% - 297.48%

Dragonite(252 Hp, neutral nature) 212.44% - 249.74%

Hippowdon(252 Hp, neutral nature) 127.38% - 149.76%

Zapdos(252 Hp, 252 Sp.def, + nature) 82.81% - 97.40% OHKO with Stealth Rocks

Cradily(252 Hp, 92 Sp.def, neutral nature) 63.56% - 74.73% in SS

Focus Blast
Blissey(148 Hp, neutral nature) 38.66% - 45.49%
(252 Hp, neutral nature) 37.25% - 43.84%

Regice(252 Hp, 6 Sp.def, + nature) 47.25% - 55.49%

Tyranitar(252 Hp, neutral nature) 114.36% - 134.41% with SS

Snorlax(220 Hp, 252 Sp.def, neutral nature) 49.61% - 58.33%

In conclusion, Lickilicky can make a good Choice Specs user, as it can 3HKO stardard Blissey and OHKO and 2HKO many common threats. So, discuss.
 
Holy cow, I didn't know that thing was good. Wow. just wow. Good idea, maybe they'll add this set to the analysis ; )
 
Er, where is Wring Out? I can't recall if he gets the boost or not, but still, a viable option.

In fact, that's what we need: A Wring Out set for the analysis. ;_;

Anyways, as far as glancing at this, looks pretty good. What about Focus Blast against Cradily in a Sandstorm? I'm guessing it's near an OHKO to a 2HKO.
 
Meh, most people prefer STAB Explosion.

Focus Blast has terrible accuracy---Blissey will status you, and some pack some SD. Regice will carry more than the EV's you listed.

Ice Beam on Cradily looks good. =o
 
You may want to note that Focus Blast gives the odds for a potential 3HKO on Blissey - you need to factor in Leftovers recovery. That set is pulling some impressive numbers, nonetheless. Not to mention the fact that Lickilicky can take a hit or two. A potential 3HKO on Blissey isn't why this set is impressive.

The only immediate problem I can see otherwise is that it disregards one thing Lickilicky really has going for it, and that is of course STAB Explosion.
 
You could run a mixed set with Explosion > Focus Blast. Takes out the special walls which would wall you otherwise, and FB doesn't really seem to be doing much anyway.
 
"Focus Blast 3HKOs Blissey" is the same thing as saying "Focus Blast is utterly useless against Blissey".
 
Blue_Kirby said:
You may want to note that Focus Blast gives the odds for a potential 3HKO on Blissey - you need to factor in Leftovers recovery. That set is pulling some impressive numbers, nonetheless. Not to mention the fact that Lickilicky can take a hit or two. A potential 3HKO on Blissey isn't why this set is impressive.

The only immediate problem I can see otherwise is that it disregards one thing Lickilicky really has going for it, and that is of course STAB Explosion.
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It's only potential if it runs 252 Hp evs

38.66% x 3 = 115.98%
115.98-6.25(2)=103.98
 
Perhaps Quiet nature w/ Explosion, as well as Life Orb for trick room usage?

Licky @ Life Orb
Quiet (+SA, -Spd): 252HP/ 4A/ 252SA
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Fire Blast/ Focus Blast
-Explosion
 
Cooper said:
You could run a mixed set with Explosion > Focus Blast. Takes out the special walls which would wall you otherwise, and FB doesn't really seem to be doing much anyway.
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In order to OHKO Blissey with CS and a neutral nature Lickilicky needs 120 Evs in attack, I don't know if that's worth it or not.

Surgo said:
"Focus Blast 3HKOs Blissey" is the same thing as saying "Focus Blast is utterly useless against Blissey".
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True, but it's the best it's got.

Fire Blast does 17.59% - 20.78% against 148 Hp, 0 Sp.def, neutral nature.

Lawman: Explosion+LO+neutral nature w/ 4 evs does 125.87% - 148.11%
 
R2-D2 Rules! said:
In order to OHKO Blissey with CS and a neutral nature Lickilicky needs 120 Evs in attack, I don't know if that's worth it or not.



True, but it's the best it's got.

Fire Blast does 17.59% - 20.78% against 148 Hp, 0 Sp.def, neutral nature.

Lawman: Explosion+LO+neutral nature w/ 4 evs does 125.87% - 148.11%
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Not quite. Seconding the Explosion mixer. You take one one of the intended pokemon with this thing, then when blissey comes to the rescue, STAB explosion on it.

2 for the price of 1, destroying a sweeper and then blasting a path for a special sweeper.

I'd say that's a fair trade at the minimum, don't you?
 
R2-D2 Rules! said:
In order to OHKO Blissey with CS and a neutral nature Lickilicky needs 120 Evs in attack, I don't know if that's worth it or not.
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I say take some out of Sp. Atk, and the rest out of HP. Look at it this way: The riskiest OHKO you have at the moment is Metagross, with 103.02%. To shave that down to 100 exactly will save about 50-100 EVs. Npthing else will be affected at all; the number of hits necessary to kill everything won't change. Then take the remaining EVs out of HP. With a massive 110, a few points won't make that big of a difference.
 
Edit: LO Fire Blast +nature 252 Evs does only 81.32% - 95.88% to Metagross. I gotta go now, so I'll take comments later
 
I think wring out needs to be on there as well. However, the mixed set looks devastating, especially were it to come in on trick room. Take the hit on the switch and go to town with life orb, then explode in their face. Might want one more physical attack in there with a mixed set, I dunno, like body slam for Stab. Otherwise, a great observation.

Body slam
Explosion
Ice beam
fire blast

Who knows...lots of potential!!
 
Still Surgo's point remains that even if it is a sure 3hko, that is pretty much worthless against blissey since it can simply heal off the damage.

*blissey switches in*
you focus blast (blissey at 2/3)
you focus blast (blissey at 1/3)
blissey softboils (almost full)
you focus blast
blissey heals (full)
you focus blast (2/3)
blissey thunderwaves/calm minds/poisons you
you focus blast (1/3)
blissey heals

Sure you have the chants for crits/fb's effect, but you could also miss, and blissey's SB has more pp than focus blast. In short, as Surgo said, 2hko against bliss is mostly worthless.

Still, like other said, numbers on others look really cool. I like the idea of running Specs with Explosion > Focus Blast.

Fire Blast gengar as he switches in expecting Return/Explosion. He switches out and something else gets hit too, or he gets 2hko'd.

Later during the match, Licki booms on something else thinking it's a strict special attacker. Like Blissey. :P I'm also certain I know this calc:

Liki-Boom v. Blissey = one dead blissey
 
I don't know if Specs is what Lickilicky is best at, but it does have a good special movepool and can be a Gengar-esque pokemon with Explosion. i have almost never seen anyone use Lickilicky though, even in BL matches. I wonder why?
 
This is actually pretty decent as far as random Specs gimmicky sets go, as it really does nail the usual Lickilicky counters hard. It seems like most people just blindly chuck their Steel / Ghost / whatever in when they see Lickilicky, for fear of explosion or something similiar, and given that this can actually OHKO most of these counters, I could see this being useful, how ever gimmicky it may be.

I would probably run Shadow Ball over something, probably Focus Blast, as it seems like all it's really useful for is hitting Tyranitar, since you'll never 3HKO Blissey unless you Paralyze it before hand and manage to get a SDef drop, not to mention I doubt Blissey would ever switch into Lickilicky since he could always be carrying Explosion / whatever. Ghosts are an extremely common switch in to Lickilicky with their immunities to his Return / EQ / Hammer Arm, so it seems like it would be nice to OHKO or 2HKO all of them, specifically Dusknoir and Mismagius. You also might want some calcs on Spiritomb. It doesn't seem like you'll be getting by him any time soon.

And how exactly does Wring Out work? could be interesting.

edit: also @majesty: Body Slam doesn't seem like such a great idea to use with Trick Room in case you paralyze something and it ends up outspeeding you. Return is probably safer
 
It's because he's so easily forgotten. Not that he has bad stats and stuff-- it's just so easy to forget him. Despite being a decent poke, there's just this air about him that makes him so easy to forget!

I mean, we've all had this habit of ignoring likitung ever since red/blue came out. Liki has inhereted this ease of being ignored. It's like it's hard to even remember that he exists . . . :P

Or at least I do. Every time I see a liki thread I'm like: "What? Oh wait . . . oh yeah that guy . . . he's pretty good, maybe I'll try him sometime . . ." *10 minutes later* "What was I thinking about 10 minutes ago?"

. . .
. . .

. . . what was this thread about again? lol
 
ChouToshio said:
It's because he's so easily forgotten. Not that he has bad stats and stuff-- it's just so easy to forget him. Despite being a decent poke, there's just this air about him that makes him so easy to forget!

I mean, we've all had this habit of ignoring likitung ever since red/blue came out. Liki has inhereted this ease of being ignored. It's like it's hard to even remember that he exists . . . :P

Or at least I do. Every time I see a liki thread I'm like: "What? Oh wait . . . oh yeah that guy . . . he's pretty good, maybe I'll try him sometime . . ." *10 minutes later* "What was I thinking about 10 minutes ago?"

. . .
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. . . what was this thread about again? lol
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I swear, that's exactly what the problem is. I have a Wish/Belly Drum Lickitung, and an EV trained Licki, and I've never used either of them. Sometimes I look at my trained one before going into the WiFi tower, and I'm just like, "No... that doesn't seem like a good idea." and then I forget about him for another month.
 
^ lol

On another note:

0ATK Modest Lickilicky v. 252HP neutral Blissey

Focus Punch: 99.58% - 117.09%
Hammer Arm: 66.53% - 78.29%

So maybe run:

@ Choice Specs
Modest
252 Hp/4 Def/252 Satk
-Focus Punch/Hammer Arm/Explosion
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Fire Blast

. . . what was this set for again?
 
ChouToshio said:
^ lol

On another note:

0ATK Modest Lickilicky v. 252HP neutral Blissey

Focus Punch: 99.58% - 117.09%
Hammer Arm: 66.53% - 78.29%

So maybe run:

@ Choice Specs
Modest
252 Hp/4 Def/252 Satk
-Focus Punch/Hammer Arm/Explosion
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Fire Blast

. . . what was this set for again?
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A Pinkish Blob that can produce electricity, shoot rays of ice out of its mouth, and breathe fire. Oh, and it can blow up too. Can't recall the name though...
 
Perfect in Trick Room, Hammer Arm further lowers Speed.

Quiet Nature
- Hammer Arm
- Explosion
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast

Hammer Arm-

Tyranitar
Weavile
Blissey

Explosion-

"WE HAVE TO KILL SOMETHING WITH THIS, RIGHT?"

Fire Blast-

Skarmory
Forretress
Abomasnow
Metagross
Weavile

Ice Beam-

Gliscor
Donphan
Hippowdon
Salamence
Dragonite
Garchomp

Hits a lot of Pokémon really hard, although I do not see the point in Thunderbolt since Bulky Waters lost popularity... unless you are paranoid about Gyarados?

Can someone tell me why Thunderbolt should be used?
 
^ LOL

Earthquake said:
Hits a lot of Pokémon really hard, although I do not see the point in Thunderbolt since Bulky Waters lost popularity... unless you are paranoid about Gyarados?

Can someone tell me why Thunderbolt should be used?
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Does there need to be more reason than gyara? xD

Besides, imo this thing doesn't merit going through the trouble of setting trick room up. :P

. . . whatever this thing is . . .
 
Ice Beam over Thunderbolt though... I do not think it is smart to take off a move that can do potential damage to unexpecting Physical Walls as well as the OU dragons.
 
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