can confirm that LN approached me about getting cleared in a way like this during n0. i didn't take him up on it, but will happily do so tonight. didn't trust that it wasn't some kind of weird mafia fuckery
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OC Circus Maximus and the Temple Mafia of Doom - Game Over, Town Relics Win!
- Thread starter Yeti
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can confirm that LN approached me about getting cleared in a way like this during n0. i didn't take him up on it, but will happily do so tonight. didn't trust that it wasn't some kind of weird mafia fuckery
I’ll have whatever he’s having
Why do you say that??
People thought Clippy was too useful to only be a town relic, despite the OP explaining that mafia have been given safeclaims
No one ever said that irl anyways lol.
But eh it doesnt sound that OP what m2h pasted unless Im missing something. Certainly not on the level of a cop who can investigate 5 people per night.
i think the idea is that clippy was an online tool hence utility but its still dumb for sure.
Hammer
After much indecision, a few dudes decide on Sailfin Tang. M2H claims this fish as his own, and protests for his life, but it seems once the wagon is rolling, it cannot be stopped.
And so perishes the first chap of the Temple Mafia of Doom:
Unfortunate.
Suddenly, a maniacal cackle catches your attention. You all reel around to find a classic red TNT stick wedged into the doorway to the Maria Laach Abbey. You watch the lit fuse trickle down, before the temple explodes.
Then, far more utilitarian, someone drops a bomb on Humayun's Tomb. He would like you to know that was freakin' rude. Nothing remains of the temple after the dust settles.
These two temples have been destroyed and are now inaccessible. Good thing nobody was in them!
It is now Night One. N1 will end in 50.5 hours, at 7/2 5pm PDT.
All day results should be out, please alert me to any issues.
After much indecision, a few dudes decide on Sailfin Tang. M2H claims this fish as his own, and protests for his life, but it seems once the wagon is rolling, it cannot be stopped.
And so perishes the first chap of the Temple Mafia of Doom:
Unfortunate.
Suddenly, a maniacal cackle catches your attention. You all reel around to find a classic red TNT stick wedged into the doorway to the Maria Laach Abbey. You watch the lit fuse trickle down, before the temple explodes.
Then, far more utilitarian, someone drops a bomb on Humayun's Tomb. He would like you to know that was freakin' rude. Nothing remains of the temple after the dust settles.
These two temples have been destroyed and are now inaccessible. Good thing nobody was in them!
It is now Night One. N1 will end in 50.5 hours, at 7/2 5pm PDT.
All day results should be out, please alert me to any issues.
If someone would like an item, please consider messaging me and coordinating a run at an adventure temple. I promise its worth your time. Also goes without saying, but comedy relics and utility relics please dont bother applying!
lol pidgeon
Unfortunate mislynch :( I thought this was a possibility but really didn't have any better leads.
My DMs are open (and so are LN's) but this game took up basically my entire Sunday and I need to get some work done today, so I'm afraid won't be able to discuss things until my European evening. We have 48 hours to plan things, fortunately.
My DMs are open (and so are LN's) but this game took up basically my entire Sunday and I need to get some work done today, so I'm afraid won't be able to discuss things until my European evening. We have 48 hours to plan things, fortunately.
I'm going to expect everybody to reach out to me to tell me what temple they're going to so that we can coordinate more completely. Additionally we really need more claims otherwise mislynches are going to keep happening. The easiest way to NOT be on that shortlist of lynch targets is to claim.
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If you are a villager and i have not given you explicit instructions as to what temple to go to (or if you've told me where you're going and i've OK'd it) then if you would please select from one of the following temples that we need more information on.
Kalasan Temple
But Thap Temple
Great Mosque of Samarra
Great Mosque of Djenne
Chichester Cathedral
St. Vitus Cathedral
Hagia Sophia
Hassan Tower
Taq Kasra Palace
Biete Amanuel
Brihadisvara Temple
Mausoleum of Theodoric
Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan
Great Tent of Genghis Khan
Temple of the Sun
Kalasan Temple
But Thap Temple
Great Mosque of Samarra
Great Mosque of Djenne
Chichester Cathedral
St. Vitus Cathedral
Hagia Sophia
Hassan Tower
Taq Kasra Palace
Biete Amanuel
Brihadisvara Temple
Mausoleum of Theodoric
Great Pyramid of Tenochtitlan
Great Tent of Genghis Khan
Temple of the Sun
I believe that LN could be trolling town and urge everyone to not claim until more info comes out. He is known for doing this, isn't confirmed town in the slightest, and his arguments make no sense due to the existence of fake claims ty.
LN moving the vote away from M2H after M2Hs claim screams town to me. Even if we ultimately voted them, hard to see most mafia pivoting from voting out a town or opposite mafia bg.
LN is 100x more trustworthy than the above user. Please at least tell him what temple you went to last night and where you're going tonight.
LN is 100x more trustworthy than the above user. Please at least tell him what temple you went to last night and where you're going tonight.
I and LN just finished sending out most suggestions for role use and temples. It's getting late for me so I'm calling it a night here, there's still like 24 hours left at this point to finish coordinating. If we didn't get to you feel free to pick a target and temple, and let one of us know. There's a good list of temples in LN's post above.
Thankfully more people have claimed so we have a lot more to work with tonight and hopefully tomorrow!
Thankfully more people have claimed so we have a lot more to work with tonight and hopefully tomorrow!
Former is mafia trying to gain town cred with this post.
God save the queen, apologies for the probable horrid length of this post.
Bullet point format to make it easier to read, savvy? This is the full timeline:
1. I am actually town, as many of you already suspected. I claimed Comedy mafia to get the Utility mafia to get in touch and give me intel. They did so, and gave me a ton of info. However, for reasons explained later, it is at least possible that this was two other villagers (M2H and Redless) also pretending to be mafia.
2. During N0, M2H gave me the following information about the Utility mafia: five users who were not with them (LN, Mekkah, Former, Bass, and Flandrs - he gave me this thinking that we targeted users with abilities and I said 'we' had an inspect to target and wanted someone who wasn't with them). He then gave me five aliases that he said were not Utility mafia. I passed all of this conversation (and all of my conversations with M2H in general, as well as Redless later) along to the village leaders at the time it happened. LN and Mekkah can confirm this separately. Jolly good so far, eh?
3. M2H claims that they have a Safeguard but nothing else that they want to coordinate during N0, and I told him to put it on one of their guys. He said ok, sounds good, we will do that. Again, I can supply the full logs on request to people but I have already done so to the village leaders and people in Discord specifically requested that I do not do that here to make this easier to read.
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Skip forward to Day 1
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4. During the random voting stage of the day, LN tells me that they had an alias (Sailfin) that was protected by a safeguard during N0. Considering M2H's information, I told him this was a lead worth pursuing. It was later confirmed that Sailfin was M2H himself. Up to this point, M2H had not made any contact whatsoever with the village leaders. He had claimed mafia publicly.
5. When the roll on Sailfin starts, I ask M2H if it is him. He confirmed it was, and he said the following:
- First, that he had a 'really good fake' that he had 'worked hard on due to his role'.
- Second, that I should get in touch with user Redless if he died as a Utility mafia contact (Redless later confirmed that he was in fact Utility mafia, more on that later).
- Third, that if he flipped, he had a role that would let him flip as villager to confuse things.
6. I told the village leaders all of the above, and re-iterated that I thought Sailfin was still the correct vote (apologies to M2H in the event that you were actually town :(, but I do still think you were mafia so if you were then good job on being so convincing). This was the reason that Mekkah said he had 'other reasons' to want to flip M2H that he didn't want to state publicly - he didn't want to out me as being town that was feeding him every single thing that the Utility mafia was telling me.
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M2H dies, flips as 'Clippy', town delayed BG / SG
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7. I get in touch with Redless, who confirms that he is Utility mafia. I ask for more details on why M2H flipped town, and he gave me the following snippet of his 'real' role PM:
8. I got in touch with the village leaders. Frankly, this PM looked way more real to me than the 'Clippy' PM that was posted in the update. This is especially true in light of Rule 17. Bloody brilliant fake if false, though!
9. Redless gives me an alias list of users to avoid targeting comprising 15 names, which he says includes all of the Utility mafia players. I give him a random list of aliases to 'avoid' saying it contains the Comedy mafia. We then agree to stay out of each others' way, and that is more or less the last time we talked seriously. Blimey, what a gold mine!
10. Redless starts freezing me out shortly after this. Additionally, LN says that somewhere around timeline points 8 and 9, Redless started getting in touch with him about stuff that he was talking to me about. LN believes that M2H and Redless were / are just villagers who attempted to do a counter-sting operation, and that now Yeti and the mafias are all laughing at us. This may well be true, but for reasons I will state below I think it more probably than not is not true.
Reasons that I think M2H and Redless were / are Utility mafia:
1. The fake PM they provided is more compelling to me than the Clippy PM flip. It ties in well with Rule 17, it ties in well with having Clippy as a fake / safeclaim, and it is a known Yeti role (mole / janitor) that has featured in every single one of her games since kingdom come.
2. Why would two random townies conspire to confirm each other as mafia to me without revealing what they were doing to the town leaders until after one of them starts getting voted? I think it is likely that the actual Comedy mafia got in touch after the day update and gave Redless role details that confirmed them in his eyes, thus cutting me out of the loop. This would be a truly dodgy strategy!
3. Redless has still not claimed, either role or alias, per LN (at least as of earlier today). Go look at his thread behavior too - he was more than willing to randvote the first vote today, then the moment that Sailfin came up, suddenly he wasn't willing to do the random voting strategy any longer. Even if he was already working with M2H as a townie, this would mean that M2H would have needed to claim his alias to Redless before M2H was ever being voted and before M2H talked to the village leaders if we are to believe this load of bollocks.
Now, with all of this being said, I still think there's a decent chance (probably like 20%) that M2H was in fact just town. There might be more to this story that I am missing due to my lack of info, and I know that Mekkah and LN think that it is more like 50/50 that M2H was Utility mafia.
In closing, I am no longer going to pretend to be mafia any longer. I am town. As such, I am finally free to give some takes on other items surrounding the village leaders:
1. LN is less clean than Mekkah / Dak, and especially less clean than Saber. The timeline of how LN's role results were revealed was LN said he cleaned five villagers the moment that the update showed up, but he had only asked two (Mekkah and Dak) to visit the Temple of Heaven. I asked for logs and they all provided them to me in a timely fashion, so I firmly believe that Mekkah and Dak are almost always either village or (tinfoiling) the non-LN mafia team, and that they did in fact choose to go to Heaven on his request.
2. LN then found out that Saber randomly visited. He 'did not know who the last two were' for a while, during which time he might've simply been trying to confirm that no random villagers targeted the Temple of Heaven.
3. Then, Blazade and aska step up to fill in the 'missing' gaps. This makes Blazade and aska the least likely of these five to be village, and the most likely to be aligned with LN, in the event that LN is mafia.
tl;dr, Saber > Mekkah = Dak > aska = Blazade > LN in terms of cleanliness. I think that any of them could be the Comedy mafia mole (if you buy what I think is true, which is that M2H was the Utility mafia mole), but otherwise Saber + Mekkah + Dak are pretty much always clear here. I think that aska and Blazade are probably 90-95% clean, and LN is 85-90% clean. I think that people should claim role to them and generally cooperate with their temple suggestions.
HOWEVER, I also think that LN should be sharing his alias with Mekkah and Dak. That he has all this info with no accountability when, in my eyes, he is the least likely to be clean of this group (and again, I'm not saying he isn't town, I'm just saying he is the least likely to be town of this group) is a little concerning. I think keeping Blazade and aska off the sheet for now is reasonable because they could be the Comedy mole or aligned with LN, though in the latter case it is a moot point.
In closing, if things go arse over tit, I think LN should be the one people assume is bad of the leadership group. I still think that people should follow his lead for now, and I don't want anyone to use this post as an excuse to ignore what he or (especially) Mekkah have decided for the plan tonight. I am happy to be free of this facade so that I can finally post my real thoughts as to the goings-on in this bonkers game.
Bullet point format to make it easier to read, savvy? This is the full timeline:
1. I am actually town, as many of you already suspected. I claimed Comedy mafia to get the Utility mafia to get in touch and give me intel. They did so, and gave me a ton of info. However, for reasons explained later, it is at least possible that this was two other villagers (M2H and Redless) also pretending to be mafia.
2. During N0, M2H gave me the following information about the Utility mafia: five users who were not with them (LN, Mekkah, Former, Bass, and Flandrs - he gave me this thinking that we targeted users with abilities and I said 'we' had an inspect to target and wanted someone who wasn't with them). He then gave me five aliases that he said were not Utility mafia. I passed all of this conversation (and all of my conversations with M2H in general, as well as Redless later) along to the village leaders at the time it happened. LN and Mekkah can confirm this separately. Jolly good so far, eh?
3. M2H claims that they have a Safeguard but nothing else that they want to coordinate during N0, and I told him to put it on one of their guys. He said ok, sounds good, we will do that. Again, I can supply the full logs on request to people but I have already done so to the village leaders and people in Discord specifically requested that I do not do that here to make this easier to read.
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Skip forward to Day 1
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4. During the random voting stage of the day, LN tells me that they had an alias (Sailfin) that was protected by a safeguard during N0. Considering M2H's information, I told him this was a lead worth pursuing. It was later confirmed that Sailfin was M2H himself. Up to this point, M2H had not made any contact whatsoever with the village leaders. He had claimed mafia publicly.
5. When the roll on Sailfin starts, I ask M2H if it is him. He confirmed it was, and he said the following:
- First, that he had a 'really good fake' that he had 'worked hard on due to his role'.
- Second, that I should get in touch with user Redless if he died as a Utility mafia contact (Redless later confirmed that he was in fact Utility mafia, more on that later).
- Third, that if he flipped, he had a role that would let him flip as villager to confuse things.
6. I told the village leaders all of the above, and re-iterated that I thought Sailfin was still the correct vote (apologies to M2H in the event that you were actually town :(, but I do still think you were mafia so if you were then good job on being so convincing). This was the reason that Mekkah said he had 'other reasons' to want to flip M2H that he didn't want to state publicly - he didn't want to out me as being town that was feeding him every single thing that the Utility mafia was telling me.
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M2H dies, flips as 'Clippy', town delayed BG / SG
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7. I get in touch with Redless, who confirms that he is Utility mafia. I ask for more details on why M2H flipped town, and he gave me the following snippet of his 'real' role PM:
Dear M2H
You are a Filing Cabinet.
Once upon a time, you stored so many files. Like all the papers in the world were in you. Now, dude, who tf is still keeping anything physically? When my computer can just search the Cloud?
Since you store so much data, you’ve learned a thing or two. One, since you take up space and can make it difficult to navigate around, you’ve figured out how to mask some of your utility. Two, you’ve communed with your contents and found out about one specific paperclip you can namedrop. If any information role, including the flip upon your death, targets you, you will provide some falsified documents instead (see second PM in this conversation).
You are a Filing Cabinet.
Once upon a time, you stored so many files. Like all the papers in the world were in you. Now, dude, who tf is still keeping anything physically? When my computer can just search the Cloud?
Since you store so much data, you’ve learned a thing or two. One, since you take up space and can make it difficult to navigate around, you’ve figured out how to mask some of your utility. Two, you’ve communed with your contents and found out about one specific paperclip you can namedrop. If any information role, including the flip upon your death, targets you, you will provide some falsified documents instead (see second PM in this conversation).
9. Redless gives me an alias list of users to avoid targeting comprising 15 names, which he says includes all of the Utility mafia players. I give him a random list of aliases to 'avoid' saying it contains the Comedy mafia. We then agree to stay out of each others' way, and that is more or less the last time we talked seriously. Blimey, what a gold mine!
10. Redless starts freezing me out shortly after this. Additionally, LN says that somewhere around timeline points 8 and 9, Redless started getting in touch with him about stuff that he was talking to me about. LN believes that M2H and Redless were / are just villagers who attempted to do a counter-sting operation, and that now Yeti and the mafias are all laughing at us. This may well be true, but for reasons I will state below I think it more probably than not is not true.
Reasons that I think M2H and Redless were / are Utility mafia:
1. The fake PM they provided is more compelling to me than the Clippy PM flip. It ties in well with Rule 17, it ties in well with having Clippy as a fake / safeclaim, and it is a known Yeti role (mole / janitor) that has featured in every single one of her games since kingdom come.
2. Why would two random townies conspire to confirm each other as mafia to me without revealing what they were doing to the town leaders until after one of them starts getting voted? I think it is likely that the actual Comedy mafia got in touch after the day update and gave Redless role details that confirmed them in his eyes, thus cutting me out of the loop. This would be a truly dodgy strategy!
3. Redless has still not claimed, either role or alias, per LN (at least as of earlier today). Go look at his thread behavior too - he was more than willing to randvote the first vote today, then the moment that Sailfin came up, suddenly he wasn't willing to do the random voting strategy any longer. Even if he was already working with M2H as a townie, this would mean that M2H would have needed to claim his alias to Redless before M2H was ever being voted and before M2H talked to the village leaders if we are to believe this load of bollocks.
Now, with all of this being said, I still think there's a decent chance (probably like 20%) that M2H was in fact just town. There might be more to this story that I am missing due to my lack of info, and I know that Mekkah and LN think that it is more like 50/50 that M2H was Utility mafia.
In closing, I am no longer going to pretend to be mafia any longer. I am town. As such, I am finally free to give some takes on other items surrounding the village leaders:
1. LN is less clean than Mekkah / Dak, and especially less clean than Saber. The timeline of how LN's role results were revealed was LN said he cleaned five villagers the moment that the update showed up, but he had only asked two (Mekkah and Dak) to visit the Temple of Heaven. I asked for logs and they all provided them to me in a timely fashion, so I firmly believe that Mekkah and Dak are almost always either village or (tinfoiling) the non-LN mafia team, and that they did in fact choose to go to Heaven on his request.
2. LN then found out that Saber randomly visited. He 'did not know who the last two were' for a while, during which time he might've simply been trying to confirm that no random villagers targeted the Temple of Heaven.
3. Then, Blazade and aska step up to fill in the 'missing' gaps. This makes Blazade and aska the least likely of these five to be village, and the most likely to be aligned with LN, in the event that LN is mafia.
tl;dr, Saber > Mekkah = Dak > aska = Blazade > LN in terms of cleanliness. I think that any of them could be the Comedy mafia mole (if you buy what I think is true, which is that M2H was the Utility mafia mole), but otherwise Saber + Mekkah + Dak are pretty much always clear here. I think that aska and Blazade are probably 90-95% clean, and LN is 85-90% clean. I think that people should claim role to them and generally cooperate with their temple suggestions.
HOWEVER, I also think that LN should be sharing his alias with Mekkah and Dak. That he has all this info with no accountability when, in my eyes, he is the least likely to be clean of this group (and again, I'm not saying he isn't town, I'm just saying he is the least likely to be town of this group) is a little concerning. I think keeping Blazade and aska off the sheet for now is reasonable because they could be the Comedy mole or aligned with LN, though in the latter case it is a moot point.
In closing, if things go arse over tit, I think LN should be the one people assume is bad of the leadership group. I still think that people should follow his lead for now, and I don't want anyone to use this post as an excuse to ignore what he or (especially) Mekkah have decided for the plan tonight. I am happy to be free of this facade so that I can finally post my real thoughts as to the goings-on in this bonkers game.
I ain't reading all that