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Pokémon Clefable
- Thread starter Kriptini
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We don't know what Clefable is trying to check yet, that's the issue. Even when Ferrothorn was being speculated, no one had any clue that he was going to end up checking almost everything in OU. People are rightfully clamoring about that Fighting resist, though; the lower tiers are currently rife with Close Combat. The best it can do is invest in both and become a utility counter for a variety of threats. Those defenses altogether are just too low to dedicate to a single attacking class.
Seems like a good set! I'll throw it in the OP! Let us know how it works if you test it. =)
But I absolutely advise against Red Card. Most 'Mons are faster than Clefable, and you don't want them getting booted before you get the chance to Psych Up.
If you choose to play her in OU, you definitely want to play to Clefable's strengths and go for max Special Defense, it's just the wiser thing to do. But if you run Cleric in UU, you could probably run Defense because most Physical attackers in that tier are Fighting-types (which you resist anyways) and UU 'Mons generally don't hit nearly as hard as OU 'Mons. (Generally.)
Investing in Clefable's Special Defense is enough to let her live long enough to Wish pass.
252+ SpA Life Orb Reuniclus Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 157-187 (39.84 - 47.46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Volcarona Fire Blast vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 203-239 (51.52 - 60.65%) -- 92.58% chance to 2HKO
252 SpA Keldeo Hydro Pump vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 151-178 (38.32 - 45.17%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Choice Specs Latios Psychic vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Clefable: 169-201 (42.89 - 51.01%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
It's nothing terribly impressive, but it's enough time for her to perform her Clerical duties (especially with Protect), just be wise about what you switch in on. (Although I still really don't think that Clefable will be going to OU.)
Again, I don't know exactly how much Special Defense Clefable will need in its respective tier, but one unwritten rule of playing defense is that the higher defensive stat doesn't necessarily decide where the investment goes, the resists do. For example, last gen's UU really could have used it as a mixed wall to stop the likes of Heracross and Mienshao while also keeping Raikou and Zapdos in line. On the other hand, Nidoking, Nidoqueen, and Roserade put an end to its career as a dedicated special tank.
A good benchmark, imo, is Reckless Mienshao's HJK and Zapdos's LO Tbolt. If Fable can block both of those, it's in business.
A good benchmark, imo, is Reckless Mienshao's HJK and Zapdos's LO Tbolt. If Fable can block both of those, it's in business.
As a fan of defensive oriented boosting pokemon, I really like the cosmic power/stored power/recovery move notion. I'm correct to assume that Clefable can't learn pscho shift via egg move, right? For shame. With fairy typing posing as one of the best defensive types this generation, it would be able to pull off sigilyph's moveset so very nicely (dare I say better?)... Despite this, would flame/toxic orb still be a viable option as an item? Although Magic Guard on a defensive pokemon like Clefable is truely glorious, sleep and paralysis (and to a vastly lesser extent, freeze) are truely a bane to this set. Is there any other unique work-around to these status ailments that I'm missing?
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Couldn't clefable function like quagsire in gen 5 ou stall by abusing unaware?
Do you guys suppose a RestTalk set might be viable? I know in most cases Magic Guard is the superior ability, though I can't pass up the chance to set up on pseudo legendary dragons and the like.
Clefable @ Leftovers w/ Unaware
Bold / 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
Ideally Clefable can come in on anything that plans on setting up indefinitely and proceed to counter by setting up alongside 'em. Calm Mind is used over Cosmic Power so Clefable can actually cause damage with its primary STAB attack. Any sort of status that tries to cut back her longevity can be slept off while she proceeds to buff herself and attack. Of course, this set can be easily phazed out and virtually any Steel, Poison, or Fire type can check it, but to me it seems like a set that can catch most of those Multiscale Dragonites off guard.
Clefable @ Leftovers w/ Unaware
Bold / 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpA
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Calm Mind
- Moonblast
Ideally Clefable can come in on anything that plans on setting up indefinitely and proceed to counter by setting up alongside 'em. Calm Mind is used over Cosmic Power so Clefable can actually cause damage with its primary STAB attack. Any sort of status that tries to cut back her longevity can be slept off while she proceeds to buff herself and attack. Of course, this set can be easily phazed out and virtually any Steel, Poison, or Fire type can check it, but to me it seems like a set that can catch most of those Multiscale Dragonites off guard.
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For some unknown, stupid reasons, the fact that Clefable gets Fire Blast went completely out off my head. Given that, then yes, Fire Blast/Flamethrower is almost always the superior option as a coverage move scoring a big SE hit to more significant threats like Ferrothorn and Skarmory (well at least in OU). As of now, I haven't seen much Poison types running around the tier. However with Fire types -specifically Heatran-, there were several encounters of them. I guess Heatran is the only notable threat to be covered by HP Ground.
Again, Fire Blast does offer more key coverage as opposed to HP Ground. Besides, against some specially-inclined Poison and Fire Pokemon, Clefable can potentially outstall them with a combination of Calm Mind and Softboiled and ultimately outdamage with a boosted Moonblast.
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Well I'm enjoying this set as much as possible before Heatran is released. Currently it really takes out a lot of threats such as Aegislash, Scizor, Excadrill. I know it's weird to stay in on a steel type but I can live a hit and OHKO with ease. The Magic Guard set can destroy stall as well. In almost every case if you aren't doing at least 50% damage on me, you are set up fodder against my Clefable.
The ones I have trouble with are Talonflame and Gliscor. They can tank my hits if I don't already have a few CM boosts and can heal off the damage. I need some good support against those 2.
The ones I have trouble with are Talonflame and Gliscor. They can tank my hits if I don't already have a few CM boosts and can heal off the damage. I need some good support against those 2.
I find that Clefable can now work really well (even more so in my opinion) with Unaware then Magic Guard in a set which I have been testing on Pokemon Showdown, which is quite similar to Jonjonz. With the new excellent mono-Fairy typing that Clefable has received as a blessing it makes it much easier to tank and set up then in previous gens. The set which I would propose is something like this:
Clefable @ Leftovers w/ Unaware
Bold / 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 Sp Def
- Cosmic Power
- Stored Power / Moonblast
- Softboiled / Wish
- Aromatherapy
Now in X and Y Clefable has been blessed with excellent new Fairy-typing. With the resistances to Fighting, Dark and Bug as well as Dragon immunity there are plenty of options to switch in and setup to become an almost impassable wall. And the only 2 types super effective against it (Steel and Poison) are generally uncommon attacking types. The trick here is to switch in on something which Clefable either resists, is a setup Pokemon, a staller or a wall. Then you start stacking Cosmic Power giving you sky high defences to compliment an impressive HP stat. Unaware prevents pokemon from setting up on Clefable while she is stacking Cosmic Power as increased damage or defences on the opponent are completely ignored and so that the only thing Clefable has to worry about are very strong Pokemon who manage to land a critical hit or get in a super-effective move early. But after even 3 or 4 Cosmic Powers Clefable will start to not care if they have a super-effective. Stored Power is the offensive move of choice, as after it maxes its defences it has a sky high power of 260 and can hit really hard, and even if it doesn't OHKO it doesn't matter as Clefable should be able to take any attack from the opponent. Moonblast is used as a replacement to this in case you are fearing Dark-types who will funnily enough will completely wall Clefable in this set. Softboiled is used as a form of better recovery for Clefable herself while stacking or after taking multiple hits but Wish can be used as a support option (until Pokebank opens Moonlight can be used in replacement of Softboiled). Aromatherapy is used in the last slot as a nice support option and helps due to the lack of Magic Guard to combat Toxic and Burn, but also get rid of Paralysis which can be nuisance though not too much a problem. Set up with Cosmic Power, heal back lost health and shake off status, then start dishing out damage.
Although it sounds almost overpowered, and it is very powerful, like everything it has its drawbacks. Roar and Whirlwind can make all of this pointless in the end. Haze also causes problems and if Topsy-Turvy ever gets into the metagame it will completely counter this. Leech Seed and Ghost-curse are reasons why Magic Guard can be superior to Unaware and Magic Guard also shakes off entry hazards, though Unaware can prove much better in the long run. A strong super-effective early in the setting up stage can also wreak havoc. Clefable also unfortunately still has somewhat lackluster offences in this set even with the high power Stored Power which is still completely walled by Dark-types and if you choose to run Moonblast you be having to stay in battle for quite a while. In the end it is going to need to rely on a good team to help it get around these counters to it, but after that, it can and will wreak havoc!
As a side note I'm still not too sure about where to put the nature and EVs in this moveset. There is the wall which I have provided and works but in case you wanting a bit more damage my guess is that a Modest nature and/or LO could still work really will on this. Will need to test more.
Test on Pokemon Showdown featuring this build at work:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-61069152
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-61067624
Clefable @ Leftovers w/ Unaware
Bold / 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 Sp Def
- Cosmic Power
- Stored Power / Moonblast
- Softboiled / Wish
- Aromatherapy
Now in X and Y Clefable has been blessed with excellent new Fairy-typing. With the resistances to Fighting, Dark and Bug as well as Dragon immunity there are plenty of options to switch in and setup to become an almost impassable wall. And the only 2 types super effective against it (Steel and Poison) are generally uncommon attacking types. The trick here is to switch in on something which Clefable either resists, is a setup Pokemon, a staller or a wall. Then you start stacking Cosmic Power giving you sky high defences to compliment an impressive HP stat. Unaware prevents pokemon from setting up on Clefable while she is stacking Cosmic Power as increased damage or defences on the opponent are completely ignored and so that the only thing Clefable has to worry about are very strong Pokemon who manage to land a critical hit or get in a super-effective move early. But after even 3 or 4 Cosmic Powers Clefable will start to not care if they have a super-effective. Stored Power is the offensive move of choice, as after it maxes its defences it has a sky high power of 260 and can hit really hard, and even if it doesn't OHKO it doesn't matter as Clefable should be able to take any attack from the opponent. Moonblast is used as a replacement to this in case you are fearing Dark-types who will funnily enough will completely wall Clefable in this set. Softboiled is used as a form of better recovery for Clefable herself while stacking or after taking multiple hits but Wish can be used as a support option (until Pokebank opens Moonlight can be used in replacement of Softboiled). Aromatherapy is used in the last slot as a nice support option and helps due to the lack of Magic Guard to combat Toxic and Burn, but also get rid of Paralysis which can be nuisance though not too much a problem. Set up with Cosmic Power, heal back lost health and shake off status, then start dishing out damage.
Although it sounds almost overpowered, and it is very powerful, like everything it has its drawbacks. Roar and Whirlwind can make all of this pointless in the end. Haze also causes problems and if Topsy-Turvy ever gets into the metagame it will completely counter this. Leech Seed and Ghost-curse are reasons why Magic Guard can be superior to Unaware and Magic Guard also shakes off entry hazards, though Unaware can prove much better in the long run. A strong super-effective early in the setting up stage can also wreak havoc. Clefable also unfortunately still has somewhat lackluster offences in this set even with the high power Stored Power which is still completely walled by Dark-types and if you choose to run Moonblast you be having to stay in battle for quite a while. In the end it is going to need to rely on a good team to help it get around these counters to it, but after that, it can and will wreak havoc!
As a side note I'm still not too sure about where to put the nature and EVs in this moveset. There is the wall which I have provided and works but in case you wanting a bit more damage my guess is that a Modest nature and/or LO could still work really will on this. Will need to test more.
Test on Pokemon Showdown featuring this build at work:
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-61069152
http://pokemonshowdown.com/replay/oubeta-61067624
You are probably better using Moonlight, which has become a good option with the rain nerf(Softboiled is sadly illegal with Unaware), and saving a slot for whatever you want, even Aromatherapy if you want to get rid of status.
If you're boosting your defenses to the point of absurdity you're probably better off just using Rest for healing AND status recovery. Now you can run Moon blast and Stored Power and only Steels will resist but can be overwhelmed. You could opt for Toxic if you simply want to stall those trying to kill you. Besides Steels again. You could use chesto Berry to assure that you can get enough Cosmic Powers in before one sleepless Rest to get you in the safe boosted range. The other option is going Bold and running Calm Mind instead which makes Stored Power far more deadly. You can with Rest you could probably use Wow or Reflect for the physical threats and I'd simply try to kill the few Dark types you're likely to encounter before throwing Clef able out rather than compensating for them.
Although Rest isn't a bad idea later on I guess, after a couple or more Cosmic Powers, early on he can still get wreaked if your opponent switches in early, and the turns of sleep will come as a major offset. And a Chesto Berry would help deal with this the first time, but the Leftovers recovery means that eventually you don't even need to use Moonlight after a while as Leftovers heals off most of the damage after a bit.
You can run Calm Mind and I have no doubt that it will work well as well, but then you are venturing into a completely different set to this one in a way, with a much different strategy.
Either way though, yeah, I'm still running Stored Power and you just have to knock of the Dark-types with the rest of your team, agreed.
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But its all really a matter of choice in the end isn't it? Clef has a lot of good potential builds now this gen.
And here's a set that hits those benchmarks
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware / Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SDef
Calm Nature
- Moonlight
- Moonblast
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam / Fire Blast / Toxic
252 Atk Life Orb Reckless Mienshao Hi Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 175-208 (44.41 - 52.79%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 164-192 (41.62 - 48.73%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mienshao: 296-350 (108.82 - 128.67%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Clefable Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 136-162 (42.23 - 50.31%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 108-127 (33.54 - 39.44%) -- 19.92% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 165-196 (41.87 - 49.74%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 351-413 (89.08 - 104.82%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 328-385 (83.24 - 97.71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 117-138 (29.69 - 35.02%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
+1 252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 175-206 (44.41 - 52.28%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 232-274 (58.88 - 69.54%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 290-342 (73.6 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252 Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 313-369 (79.44 - 93.65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 192-226 (48.73 - 57.36%) -- 47.66% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 204-242 (67.54 - 80.13%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 164-192 (41.62 - 48.73%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mienshao: 296-350 (108.82 - 128.67%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Clefable Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 136-162 (42.23 - 50.31%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 108-127 (33.54 - 39.44%) -- 19.92% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 165-196 (41.87 - 49.74%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 351-413 (89.08 - 104.82%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 328-385 (83.24 - 97.71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 117-138 (29.69 - 35.02%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
+1 252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 175-206 (44.41 - 52.28%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
+2 252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 232-274 (58.88 - 69.54%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+3 252 Atk Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 290-342 (73.6 - 86.8%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
+4 252 Atk Heracross Close Combat vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 313-369 (79.44 - 93.65%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Choice Band Heracross Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 192-226 (48.73 - 57.36%) -- 47.66% chance to 2HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Heracross: 204-242 (67.54 - 80.13%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
So this set is a pretty simple wall set for UU. Moonlight is the only recovery move that Clefable can get outside of Wish due to Softboiled not being available until PokeBank (and even then only with Magic Guard). Wish isn't that great of an idea due to Clefable's only OK base 95 and reliance on Protect. Moonblast is there for reliable damage thanks to its now-buffed 95 SpA. Aromatherapy lets Clefable act as a cleric for the team along with clearing its own status, which is great on any set running Unaware over Magic Guard, which it should since it can't take many +2 attacks and Aromatherapy lets you get around status. Ice Beam lets you nail Offensive Zapdos for a 2HKO as opposed to barely 3HKOing like Moonblast does. Fire Blast lets you roast Steel-types that try to resist Fairy. Finally, Toxic lets you status other walls. Ice Beam also lets you beat Nidoqueens that don't run Sludge Wave / Bomb
The EVs might change depending on what is actually in UU, but I think these are good benchmarks for right now.
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And here's a set that hits those benchmarks
Clefable @ Leftovers
Ability: Unaware / Magic Guard
EVs: 252 HP / 132 Def / 124 SDef
Calm Nature
- Moonlight
- Moonblast
- Aromatherapy
- Ice Beam / Fire Blast / Toxic
252 Atk Life Orb Reckless Mienshao Hi Jump Kick vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 175-208 (44.41 - 52.79%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Zapdos Thunderbolt vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 172-203 (43.65 - 51.52%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Mienshao: 296-350 (108.82 - 128.67%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Clefable Ice Beam vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 136-162 (42.23 - 50.31%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Stealth Rock
0 SpA Clefable Moonblast vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Zapdos: 108-127 (33.54 - 39.44%) -- 19.92% chance to 2HKO after Stealth Rock
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Earth Power vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 165-196 (41.87 - 49.74%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
252+ SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoqueen Sludge Wave vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 351-413 (89.08 - 104.82%) -- 25% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Life Orb Sheer Force Nidoking Sludge Bomb vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 328-385 (83.24 - 97.71%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 253-298 (64.21 - 75.63%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
-2 252 SpA Life Orb Roserade Leaf Storm vs. 252 HP / 124+ SpD Clefable: 126-149 (31.97 - 37.81%) -- 0.49% chance to 3HKO
So this set is a pretty simple wall set for UU. Moonlight is the only recovery move that Clefable can get outside of Wish due to Softboiled not being available until PokeBank (and even then only with Magic Guard). Wish isn't that great of an idea due to Clefable's only OK base 95 and reliance on Protect. Moonblast is there for reliable damage thanks to its now-buffed 95 SpA. Aromatherapy lets Clefable act as a cleric for the team along with clearing its own status, which is great on any set running Unaware over Magic Guard, which it should since it can't take many +2 attacks and Aromatherapy lets you get around status. Ice Beam lets you nail Offensive Zapdos for a 2HKO as opposed to barely 3HKOing like Moonblast does. Fire Blast lets you roast Steel-types that try to resist Fairy. Finally, Toxic lets you status other walls. Ice Beam also lets you beat Nidoqueens that don't run Sludge Wave / Bomb
The EVs might change depending on what is actually in UU, but I think these are good benchmarks for right now.
Looks a good set, just a few nitpicks
-Even with faeries, nidoqueen doesn't have room for sludge wave, so you're safe there. Roserade on the other hand, does have room for sludge bomb, so probably don't use it to check roserade, but checking nidoqueen is okay.
-Not sure if you factored in the power drop of thunderbolt for zapdos, since base power has gone from 95 to 90, so you may be able to tank better.
-Mienshao never runs reckless with life orb, so you're still right to tank that, since its either LO with regenerator, or choice scarf and reckless. You didn't check stone edge as a calculation by any chance though?
Otherwise, seems fine. Again I'd look into how it tanks stone edge as that will be key as to how it deals with most of UU's fighting types.
Good call on Roserade - completely forgot about Sludge Bomb. Also, I didn't factor in the power drop on TBolt. Original post has been modified.
Also, it should take Stone Edge's from Fighting-type really well, considering resists Reckless HJK from Mienshao is stronger than neutral Stone Edge, and LO Reckless HJK only 3HKO's my spread. Still, if you want Stone Edge from Regenshao (Reckless HJK does more), then here you go:
252 Atk Life Orb Mienshao Stone Edge vs. 252 HP / 132 Def Clefable: 152-179 (38.57 - 45.43%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
EDIT: Should be obvious, but Clefairy deals with Heracross very well too. (Has troubles with Heracross at +3 or 4 depending on what it is locked into though)
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I have an easier time running RestTalk because it cures status and restores back to full health on the same turn. The Aromatherapy + Moonlight combo might work better when running a more defensive pivot, but the limited PP of each move plus the offchance of a Sandstorm team ruining the recovery are not very appealing. You'd be better off running Magic Guard + Softboiled if you wanted that role to be filled, as otherwise Clefable will be worn down by alternating recovery with status removal.
This Unaware set is supposed to take advantage of those who try setting up on Clefable, as they more often than not won't have the EVs invested to 2HKO Clefable without the proper set up move. Being able to recover from the oddball status and return to full health in one move is especially powerful, especially for a Pokemon that can afford to sponge a few hits after setting up a Calm Mind or two. This set does its share of weaknesses, namely the usual Taunt/Trick/Haze runners plus whichever types resist the only attacking move, but I feel that Rest is a much better option for running solo than Moonlight.
Softboiled is only available on Magic Guard variants. Softboiled's illegal on Unaware sets.
So there are like three dedicated clerics at the moment: Sylveon, Florges and Clefable.
Although Sylveon after pokebank will have Heal Bell, and Florges has Aromatherapy, they are much better on the specially defensive side. But I feel that magic guard is a really good niche for Clefable as it doesn't care about hazards, which is important for a cleric as it needs to switch in and out. Do people tend to run Calm and make it a dedicated special wall, or do more of a balanced defenses set similar to utility Jellicent? I find the dedicated special wall to not be that bulky as strong special attackers can break it.
Although Sylveon after pokebank will have Heal Bell, and Florges has Aromatherapy, they are much better on the specially defensive side. But I feel that magic guard is a really good niche for Clefable as it doesn't care about hazards, which is important for a cleric as it needs to switch in and out. Do people tend to run Calm and make it a dedicated special wall, or do more of a balanced defenses set similar to utility Jellicent? I find the dedicated special wall to not be that bulky as strong special attackers can break it.
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Absolutely, Magic Guard is what makes Clefable stand out from the other Fairy-types, and it's as amazing as ever. I use Clefable as a physically-bulky Fairy, since the others that you mentioned like Florges and Sylveon far outclass it in terms of Special Defense. Focusing on Clefable's respectable 95/73 physical bulk makes it a better check to physical Dragons and the like.
In addition to providing support (apparently Gamefreak decided that every single fairy needed to learn Wish and/or Aromatherapy) Clefable can run an amazing late-game Calm Mind set, using Moonblast alongside Wish and Protect to keep it healthy while it's naturally immune to passive damage.
well it's been talked about in this thread, didn't bother to check when I made this post in the Creative moveset thread, But Psych Up is an incredible move on fable
Ah ok! Yeah I noticed that Bold Clefable can always survive a 2HKO by +1 Earthquake from max attack Adamant Dragonite. Florges can't do that with max defensive investment and for Sylveon there is a small chance at 2HKO, and a guarantee with stealth rock. I was thinking of giving my Clefable Life Orb so it still maintains some offensive presence as it effectively makes it's special attack 131 instead of 95 and magic guard ignores the recoil.
Thanks for posting this! Adding it to the OP. =)
Pointing out since I lost a ladder match to a set containing this:
You CANNOT have Softboiled with Unaware or any move learned by breeding after Gen 3. It is a simulator bug.
Egg Moves it cannot run with Softboiled:
Fake Tears
Covet
Aromatherapy
Stored Power is a level up move on clefairy it would seem.
You CANNOT have Softboiled with Unaware or any move learned by breeding after Gen 3. It is a simulator bug.
Egg Moves it cannot run with Softboiled:
Fake Tears
Covet
Aromatherapy
Stored Power is a level up move on clefairy it would seem.
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