A 110 stab special ghost move after will-o-whisp isn't really bad or anything.
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- Thread starter Micah B.
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The main reason he fell out of ou was the rotom forms doing his job better, with them losing their ghost typing he had a chance at coming back.
I wonder if his ability is enough to deter Pursuiters from having their way with him. I can see TTar not really caring. In fact, he'd probably enjoy the new ability to negate abilities.
Yeah, there will be certain pokemon who will actually want to hit Desukan with physical moves, and some who really won't care since they get their ability back on the switch anyway.
Even so, pokemon like Azumarill, Kojondo, Medicham, Machamp, and anything with Encourage/Overconfidence/speed boost won't like it.
Even so, pokemon like Azumarill, Kojondo, Medicham, Machamp, and anything with Encourage/Overconfidence/speed boost won't like it.
Gyarados has to be careful of will-o-wisp on the switch.
Desukan can team up with Slaking with any set. It really doesn't affect how you use Desukan itself at all.
the sad thing is that desukan is not gonna end up being choice band scizor good check as was once speculated, since with a simple u-turn it will get its technician ability back, the best to do is predict a scizor switch in and will-o-wisp it...
Even then, unless it's a really long fight, you'll do more damage with Shadow Ball over a few turns than Evil Eye on something that's statused. If we're factoring in Burn damage, then it could very well be a viable option, even if Shadow Ball is consistent.
Even with a long fight, Shadow Ball is a bit more viable due to the chance of lowering your foe's Special Defense.
I'd take this over, but I'll give the OP a chance since it's not missing much. First off, here is a Desukan sprite.
Secondly, this guy looks pretty solid for Trick Room teams. Trick Room + Memento is a nice combo to have since it severely cripples the Pokmon that it's used on, which either means a forced switch or your Trick Room sweeper gets a small cushion. It can be a Trick Room sweeper. Nasty Plot / Trick Room / Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Fighting. It's not the greatest set to a degree, but probably nothing terrible to use either.
Finally, there should list some reasons why to use Desukan over a Pokemon, say, Dusknoir. Remember that Dusknoir still gets recovery, albeit somewhat unreliable, but it is important. Mummy is a mixed card. While it strips away No Guard from Machamp, it could also strip out Faint Hearted from Aakeosu.
It's an interesting Pokemon, but it's quirky. While it cockblocks ability-reliant Pokemon (which is great), it also poses a gamble on some of the negative abilities.
Secondly, this guy looks pretty solid for Trick Room teams. Trick Room + Memento is a nice combo to have since it severely cripples the Pokmon that it's used on, which either means a forced switch or your Trick Room sweeper gets a small cushion. It can be a Trick Room sweeper. Nasty Plot / Trick Room / Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Fighting. It's not the greatest set to a degree, but probably nothing terrible to use either.
Finally, there should list some reasons why to use Desukan over a Pokemon, say, Dusknoir. Remember that Dusknoir still gets recovery, albeit somewhat unreliable, but it is important. Mummy is a mixed card. While it strips away No Guard from Machamp, it could also strip out Faint Hearted from Aakeosu.
It's an interesting Pokemon, but it's quirky. While it cockblocks ability-reliant Pokemon (which is great), it also poses a gamble on some of the negative abilities.
Is it possible that a wave of Slakings can result from common usage of Desukan? I figured to myself, "I like this thing, but there is a chance that someone who is either foolhardy or ballsy enough to anticipate Desukan on my team, and Pursuit me to lose Truant?" I know it's farfetched, but the same analogy can be said for a multitude of sweepers who would love to use Pursuit to acquire Mummy.
EDIT: Gamefreak41495 already made a note about it. My apologies.
EDIT: Gamefreak41495 already made a note about it. My apologies.
I already posted a far less situational version of that strategy.
...That's exactly my point.
The Trick Room move is the first thing I thought of when I saw that speed. I hate Trick Room lol. Ya Dusnkoir still has it's usage but I still fancy this over him.I'd take this over, but I'll give the OP a chance since it's not missing much. First off, here is a Desukan sprite.
Secondly, this guy looks pretty solid for Trick Room teams. Trick Room + Memento is a nice combo to have since it severely cripples the Pokmon that it's used on, which either means a forced switch or your Trick Room sweeper gets a small cushion. It can be a Trick Room sweeper. Nasty Plot / Trick Room / Shadow Ball / Hidden Power Fighting. It's not the greatest set to a degree, but probably nothing terrible to use either.
Finally, there should list some reasons why to use Desukan over a Pokemon, say, Dusknoir. Remember that Dusknoir still gets recovery, albeit somewhat unreliable, but it is important. Mummy is a mixed card. While it strips away No Guard from Machamp, it could also strip out Faint Hearted from Aakeosu.
It's an interesting Pokemon, but it's quirky. While it cockblocks ability-reliant Pokemon (which is great), it also poses a gamble on some of the negative abilities.
Just confirming that Mummy spreads from Pokémon to Pokémon like an STD on each succesive hit against a "fresh" victim.
The above battle isn't the best example of what could happen, but you get the idea.
The above battle isn't the best example of what could happen, but you get the idea.
Here's what I'm thinking, is a wall and anti-physical sweeper, much like Dusknoir. He could also be an anti-spinner, depending on how prevalent things like Stealth Rock are this generation. Can also sweep.
Desukan @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
-Will-o-Wisp
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball / Evil Eye
-Destiny Bond
Will-o-Wisp to cripple physical attackers. Calm Mind to boost Special Defense, and set up for a sweep. Shadow Ball or Evil Eye, depending on weather you want reliability or power, and Destiny Bond to take the foe with it when he dies.
Desukan @ Leftovers
Ability: Mummy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 SpD
-Will-o-Wisp
-Calm Mind
-Shadow Ball / Evil Eye
-Destiny Bond
Will-o-Wisp to cripple physical attackers. Calm Mind to boost Special Defense, and set up for a sweep. Shadow Ball or Evil Eye, depending on weather you want reliability or power, and Destiny Bond to take the foe with it when he dies.
I think I'll stick with Dusknoir, if only cos I don't want to risk Mummy.
This is pretty much the set I was thinking of, except I was thinking of 252 HP, 128 Def, 128 SpDef for the spread. And possibly another attacking move instead of Destiny Bond. I like this more than the Trick Room variation people seem to be speaking of because I'm more of a stall person than offensive.
I'm not seeing what this guy has over Dusclops with Pre-evo Stone. Sure it can boost it's special attack, but it's still pursuit bait for one of the most used pokes of Gen 4. Assuming that it's running a NP or CM set it won't have WoW to cripple Ttar(which dusclops does with any set.). Also the possible "Ttar can Taunt..." argument is not really true(trying to avoid posting twice here by covering a possible counterpoint), because in the August 2010 stats Taunt is somewhere in the "Other" move usage category(5.2%). If it's not running a NP or CM set then Dusclops is just better because it can run up to 590 or so on either defensive stat. I don't feel like explaining why the Mummy ability isn't an advantage he has over Clops.
EDIT: I just saw the set with CM and WoW. It's walled by Blissey and any other normal type really. If the point of the CM is to boost Spdef, dusclops can do that better.
EDIT: I just saw the set with CM and WoW. It's walled by Blissey and any other normal type really. If the point of the CM is to boost Spdef, dusclops can do that better.
Yeah Desukan needs 252 HP to maximize in defences, along with max Def for the CM set posted above. Interesting Pokemon, checks Machamp thanks to 50bp Payback and loss of No Guard and serves as a reliable spin blocker. I would probably use something like this:
Desukan@Leftovers
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp/HP Fighting
If Mummy activated against special moves it would be much more effective, helping against Empoleon, Shanderaa and a whole bunch of shit which could otherwise set-up on Desukan. Anyway I wonder if it's possible to EV Desukan to survive Shanderaa's Shadow Ball and KO it in return; otherwise, that would become a big thorn in Desukan's ghostly ass.
EDIT: @above Mummy is really the selling point of any set. Also Dusknoir and Duskclops don't learn Sleep Talk.
Desukan@Leftovers
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Shadow Ball
- Will-O-Wisp/HP Fighting
If Mummy activated against special moves it would be much more effective, helping against Empoleon, Shanderaa and a whole bunch of shit which could otherwise set-up on Desukan. Anyway I wonder if it's possible to EV Desukan to survive Shanderaa's Shadow Ball and KO it in return; otherwise, that would become a big thorn in Desukan's ghostly ass.
EDIT: @above Mummy is really the selling point of any set. Also Dusknoir and Duskclops don't learn Sleep Talk.
Mummy is only effective in very specific circumstances. Quite frankly, as far as singles go i think mummy is being overhyped and the fact that you can just switch out to get rid of it makes it even more pathetic. 3 turn rest means that Rest is pretty much a gamble. I'm sure there are of plenty of things that can 3HKO Desukan, even without their abilities.