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college sucks
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And you would be surprised by how many college girls have STDs just waiting for you. Honestly, I am appalled at just how pathetic our colleges and students have become. College today doesnt teach you how to get out there and make a living and to deal with what happens. College today is just a brainwashing center where if you dont agree with the teacher you gat a fail. Where you spend the intire class period learning about your teacher's past jobs or their personal agenda on which they wish to get all their students to agree with everyhting you say. Life is not about getting drunk. If you gat drunk and break laws, you are nothing but a drain on society.
Yes I would love to go to college if I would actually LEARN SOMETHING! Id love to go and take classes that are relevant to what i want to do with my life but before I do that I have to pay these teachers to teach me their crap that I dont want to sit and listen to. I cant be brainwashed, Ive made up my mind on things that go on, i dont need to sit there and listen to the crap. Yes there are some great teachers that are wonderful at what they do and teach you more then you can take in, but it is so hard to get into those classes.
College is not about getting drunk and having sex. Getting drunk sucks, Ive seen enough people to know that I never want to get drunk. Just going anywhere and doing anyone is meaningless and a waste of your time and energy. I was never with anyone Untill I fond the person I was going to marry and no im not a prude for it, I just have a better brain and understanding then most and I find certian things to have more meaning. Dont go out there and do anyone you see, there are too many STDs out there for one thing and it just isnt safe. Who cares if someone can say of Ive had sex with this many people or ive had sex with this number of people, who cares, and atleast I can say Ive only ever been with One! person. You can keep counting on and on untill you can no longer keep track, but you will never be able to say that it was only with your spouse if you follow that crowd, and guess what, I can!
I went to college for a semester and found out it was not the right college for me. Not that the college wasnt right, the kids at the college were not right. The classes were great and I learend a lot in them and I really enjoyed it, but the atmosphere was awful. The students fromed a single click on the campus (38 students total, the college just started teh year before) and my two roomates and I didnt get into the click. It sucked, and as much as i missed the classes, the three of us left the school after the first semester. One went and got married in Idaho (met a guy off the internet and moved there) and the other went to a community college while I went to work fulltime at petco. I did learn a lot there and I have the books still so that i can teach myself and plan to take some classes but I really hate the idea of going to a UC or SU or any majoy college simply because I dont need to waste my money paying a horrible teacher to do nothing.
If you cannot live off of $200-300 a month then you are doing somehting wrong. If you have a dorm at the same time then you are really doing somehting wrong. I make a little over $1000 a month working fulltime at petco. Now $1000 a month is pretty good but lets take a look at my expensises. $450 a month for rent (rent is 900 but Syberia pary half), $73 a month for car insurance, $45 a month for utilities, between $100-$50 a month for gas (depends on how much driving I have to do), $15 a month for my cell phone (mom has the plan and I pay for my portion out of my own decision because my parents arent rich). So lets see where that puts me a month at money I have to spend on my own food and food for my pets and any other things I might need every so offten. Thats between $367-$317 a month for food and anything else I might want. I do well enough with 300 a month and I still get to eat nicely and so do my pets. Mind you when I was in college my parents gave me nothing cuz well, they had nothing, so be happy that your parents are able to offer you somehting and that they care about you and ARE helping you.
Seds dad, thank you for your post, it was very refreshing and very much needed here on Smogon.
Haha, that's so true! That's not to say all girls are sluts, but most of us aren't really looking to settle down at young ages anymore. Of course... I cried when I turned 23 because I thought I was getting old, but I think it's more that I'm heading towards the "mid-20s" category.
I also cried at my first white hair. :( I've had it for like 7 months now, CRAZZZY! Thank god more have not followed.
Lexite said:
Yes, getting drunk sucks, take the word of somebody who has never experienced it!
Honestly, it would appear that the same can be said about the rest of your entirely awful post. Getting drunk sucks, I say despite my lack of experience! Mindless one-night stands suck, I say once more despite never having had one! College classes are "brainwashing centers," yet my entire one semester I spent at college had classes which were "great and I learned a lot in them and enjoyed them."
You, sir, clearly have "a better brain and understanding than most." Gosh, with such a willingness to try new things, a strong aversion to hypocrisy, and no overblown sense of superiority, I can't for the life of me see why you didn't fit in.
dude i've had white hairs since i was 14. they just keep comin. it's getting to the point where it actually makes a good contrast to the really dark black hair.
anyway, OP, just keep in mind that it's not that hard to switch career plans even after you graduate. it helps a lot if you get a 'general' degree where it can serve you in a variety of fields.
You talk a lot about colleges being "brainwashing centers" but it seems to me like your views are the epitome of "brainwashed" and close-minded.
just because something is popular doesn't mean it sucks
I mean, a lot of people hate halo 3 because it is popular, but that's a dumb reason. I dunno, I think people were ripping on your post because you had some unfounded opinions in it. Like the "getting drunk" thing. You say you've never gotten drunk, yet you complain about it.
Also, you live in the united states don't you lexite... you guys have to remember that a dollar in the US is like 80 cents in canada right now... so for example, a pound of ground beef here costs 4.60$ plus 5% GST... canned goods are usually 1.19$ - 2.00$ depending on if it's on sale. that's quite a bit. I doubt it costs more in the states.
And maybe SOME teachers just "brainwash" you but for the most part, my profs were very good, I learned a lot of stuff. I just didn't like the course. There was only one teacher that I didn't like. He seemed to enjoy singling me out because I was small, which is pretty immature. It gets old after 10 years, you know -_-
I mean, a lot of people hate halo 3 because it is popular, but that's a dumb reason. I dunno, I think people were ripping on your post because you had some unfounded opinions in it. Like the "getting drunk" thing. You say you've never gotten drunk, yet you complain about it.
Also, you live in the united states don't you lexite... you guys have to remember that a dollar in the US is like 80 cents in canada right now... so for example, a pound of ground beef here costs 4.60$ plus 5% GST... canned goods are usually 1.19$ - 2.00$ depending on if it's on sale. that's quite a bit. I doubt it costs more in the states.
And maybe SOME teachers just "brainwash" you but for the most part, my profs were very good, I learned a lot of stuff. I just didn't like the course. There was only one teacher that I didn't like. He seemed to enjoy singling me out because I was small, which is pretty immature. It gets old after 10 years, you know -_-
I would wager a small sum that English Composition was not one of your classes.
What the fuck? Disagreeing with popular opinion does not make you open-minded.
Since we have quite a few biased opinions against colleges, I'm going to post my experiences within my university, which I'm going to say is biased simply because I'm one of those freaks who enjoys learning, not to mention that the university I go to is considered one of the best universities in the world.
One of the things I often tell people nowadays is that I really didn't "exist" until the end of my first quarter at my University. Why do I say that? This is particularly because it literally made me more open minded about everything and literally taught me how to think, particularly because it was the first time I had ever been challenged in my life. Things were actually difficult, to the point where I wonder if I had gotten dumber since High School, particularly because you can't hand wave your way through classes anymore, nor could you just bulldoze through problem sets. Things actually required *thinking*, something I probably never did during High School. Within 10 weeks of College, I learned more than my entire High School career combined, simply because I had to think about things and slow down. Whenever my friends and I talk about High School, we always comment that we really didn't learn much in High School, particularly because it was too easy. Unless you went to a particularly great High School or a private school, you really didn't have to work too much to be considered the upper tier.
Now to anyone who ever calls College "brainwashing" - that's just an extreme term that shouldn't be applied within this context. If "brainwashing" is pointing out that your train of thought is simply just immature or in most cases stupid and not well founded, then "sure", it is brainwashing. But as far as I can tell, college is the place where you literally put on new lenses to look at life in as many perspectives as possible. It gives you the framework so that you can think about things in as many ways as possible - economically, scientifically, analytically, mathematically, artistically, whatever. It is all here, and it gives you a taste of how people think rather than what High School was - which was just give you the base tools without much explanation on how you can use the tools.
So calling college "stupid", I believe, is a very immature way to look at things. Is it a necessity? No. You can learn by experience, you can just throw yourself into the world and figure things out that way. Would that give you a way to think about the world that is different than the "academical"? Probably. It is true that Academics live in a bubble and that many of them just sit there formulating theories without the experiences of other people, it's pretty damn amazing what these people can come up with (Marx is a good example - he never actually worked a day in his life but he literally spoke for the factory workers). But that doesn't mean that it is "stupid" nor is learning everything through experiences "better". College is a tool to accelerate your experiences in life, by teaching you literally how to use the tools and when to use the tools, letting you start ahead. It is also a place where you can just explore the subjects and finding out what you want to do with your life by finding that one subject you truly like.
One of the things I often tell people nowadays is that I really didn't "exist" until the end of my first quarter at my University. Why do I say that? This is particularly because it literally made me more open minded about everything and literally taught me how to think, particularly because it was the first time I had ever been challenged in my life. Things were actually difficult, to the point where I wonder if I had gotten dumber since High School, particularly because you can't hand wave your way through classes anymore, nor could you just bulldoze through problem sets. Things actually required *thinking*, something I probably never did during High School. Within 10 weeks of College, I learned more than my entire High School career combined, simply because I had to think about things and slow down. Whenever my friends and I talk about High School, we always comment that we really didn't learn much in High School, particularly because it was too easy. Unless you went to a particularly great High School or a private school, you really didn't have to work too much to be considered the upper tier.
Now to anyone who ever calls College "brainwashing" - that's just an extreme term that shouldn't be applied within this context. If "brainwashing" is pointing out that your train of thought is simply just immature or in most cases stupid and not well founded, then "sure", it is brainwashing. But as far as I can tell, college is the place where you literally put on new lenses to look at life in as many perspectives as possible. It gives you the framework so that you can think about things in as many ways as possible - economically, scientifically, analytically, mathematically, artistically, whatever. It is all here, and it gives you a taste of how people think rather than what High School was - which was just give you the base tools without much explanation on how you can use the tools.
So calling college "stupid", I believe, is a very immature way to look at things. Is it a necessity? No. You can learn by experience, you can just throw yourself into the world and figure things out that way. Would that give you a way to think about the world that is different than the "academical"? Probably. It is true that Academics live in a bubble and that many of them just sit there formulating theories without the experiences of other people, it's pretty damn amazing what these people can come up with (Marx is a good example - he never actually worked a day in his life but he literally spoke for the factory workers). But that doesn't mean that it is "stupid" nor is learning everything through experiences "better". College is a tool to accelerate your experiences in life, by teaching you literally how to use the tools and when to use the tools, letting you start ahead. It is also a place where you can just explore the subjects and finding out what you want to do with your life by finding that one subject you truly like.
I have gone to college for two years now and I can say that I have never once been brainwashed. Professors may want you to do things automatically, like knowing what to do when they throw triple integrals randomly into your probability homework, but everything that I've learned in college has been on my own accord.
Maybe I have it differently because I am a Computer Science and Math double major at a polytechnic school and I don't have to deal with art/music/english classes, but when you are focusing on math and science it is very difficult to brainwash someone since everything is either fact or being proven to be a fact. What is your calc teacher going to brainwash you with? Is he going to hypnotize you with the sine curve and convince you that you can divide by 0?
Honestly, if you feel as if you're being brainwashed by your professor, then you either have a really low capacity for critical thinking or a really bad professor.
Nobody is saying that college is mandatory. Learning things via real-life experiences is perfectly legitimate. College just gives you the theory behind what you want to do in life, that way you can cut out that intermediate phase of stumbling around in the dark after high school while you try to gain those experiences. It is a tool that can accelerate your experience and point yourself in the right direction, as SG said, it is not the ONLY tool. It helps you out, I learned how to be self-sufficient and basically what I want to do with the rest of my life.
If you are going into any profession that requires math or science, advanced math courses are basically mandatory. If you have the intelligence to teach yourself analytical geometry then you deserve a job with or without a degree, and anyone who is hiring will realize that if you show them. There is nowhere else that you can just find someone with the patience to just teach you Vector Calculus or Electromagnetic Theory. It's pretty easy to learn how to write essays and play music, that just takes practice of things that you've already been learning. It would be pretty difficult to learn calculus or the physics of black holes on your own if the only thing you had was high school math. Colleges offer learning experiences that are just not found anywhere else, especially in the time frame that they offer it in.
Maybe I have it differently because I am a Computer Science and Math double major at a polytechnic school and I don't have to deal with art/music/english classes, but when you are focusing on math and science it is very difficult to brainwash someone since everything is either fact or being proven to be a fact. What is your calc teacher going to brainwash you with? Is he going to hypnotize you with the sine curve and convince you that you can divide by 0?
Honestly, if you feel as if you're being brainwashed by your professor, then you either have a really low capacity for critical thinking or a really bad professor.
Nobody is saying that college is mandatory. Learning things via real-life experiences is perfectly legitimate. College just gives you the theory behind what you want to do in life, that way you can cut out that intermediate phase of stumbling around in the dark after high school while you try to gain those experiences. It is a tool that can accelerate your experience and point yourself in the right direction, as SG said, it is not the ONLY tool. It helps you out, I learned how to be self-sufficient and basically what I want to do with the rest of my life.
If you are going into any profession that requires math or science, advanced math courses are basically mandatory. If you have the intelligence to teach yourself analytical geometry then you deserve a job with or without a degree, and anyone who is hiring will realize that if you show them. There is nowhere else that you can just find someone with the patience to just teach you Vector Calculus or Electromagnetic Theory. It's pretty easy to learn how to write essays and play music, that just takes practice of things that you've already been learning. It would be pretty difficult to learn calculus or the physics of black holes on your own if the only thing you had was high school math. Colleges offer learning experiences that are just not found anywhere else, especially in the time frame that they offer it in.
The fact that I enjoy learning is actually the reason why I think formal education is silly. I'm trying to learn over here, but I keep getting interrupted with deadlines for silly assignments that require my attention.
I think he was referring to the brainwashing your religion did.
Perhaps. Like I have said in a conversation before - it is quite likely that you can learn faster with a book by yourself (I don't know about Computer Science at all), but there are many other things that you really just learn faster with a little guidance. My assignments are usually extensions of what we are learning or tools that we use to clarify what we are learning. I enjoy the system, even though I can't say I'm excelling within it.
But for things like Economics, Humanities, and so many more, the "formal" education really helps. It's probably the case where Computer Science hasn't developed itself quite yet to be as real as you might want it to be.
I've had some great profs and I've had some horrible profs who have no business teaching. I've also had great TAs and TAs who could barely speak English. Honestly, paying $500 for something I really wanted to learn (Photoshop) and getting a TA who obviously couldn't teach was not helpful to me at all. She was a nice person, knew her stuff, but wasn't very good at communicating and I didn't learn anything. Schools (at least mine) need to clean up their act when it comes to who they hire.
Disagreeing doesn't make you open minded.
You pass judgment on a lot of things that you admit you've never experienced.
That's close minded.
Well, i'm a little late to the party, i guess, but about the brainwashing thing. There will be good professors and bad professors, let's face it. I have 4 classes currently, 2 of them taught by the same teacher (history/legal studies). (The other 2 are english, and psychology). Now, i always have fun studying in my english, law, and history class. The professor is spirited, he accepts views from both sides (i made a VERY touchy history essay, and he accepted it. I'm not going to say what it's about because i think i could very easily anger a few people here).
My english professor is a joking friendly guy who knows how to attract attention, how to examine all sorts of views and so on.
But onto my psychology professor, the only thing i do in his class is sleep. By some coincidence, my cousin is in the same psychology class as me, and athough she did mention that I was sleeping in the first few classes, lately she too has been falling asleep in the class. And it's not her fault. He's so one-minded, he doesn't know the subject, he treats his job like a holiday. Sometimes i wonder how he managed to get the job, but he did, and well, the class is suffering because of it (well, it would, except that he simply marks as well. I have a 90% average in my course, and i passed up almost everything late.) But the point is, we're not exactly learning anything, we're just in his class for a certificate...
So sometimes you just have bad luck, and you get a terrible professor. Other times, you get good professors who know their stuff, and what they're doing.
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O, and onto college girls. I can normally divide them into 2 categories. Those who really care about relationships, and those who well... just want to have drunk sex.
And in my country (malaysia), about 80% fit into the second category.
I know a few girls who really care about their relationships, who have that absolute trust with their boyfriends, who have been together for like 3-4 years (we're all 17-19 years old). And I know a few girls who changes boyfriends like they change clothes.
I see girls who cry when they break up, and they take a long time to recover. I saw a girl who broke up, and just asked the next hot guy she saw.
Yeah... everyone is different i guess. But well, your experience in college probably depends on how lucky you are.
And i saw the post by someone (i forgot) and i agree with him. If you want to find a girl with a relationship, and the girls you hang out with are normally the drunken girls, find a different group of friends. You'll probably have more chance that way.
My english professor is a joking friendly guy who knows how to attract attention, how to examine all sorts of views and so on.
But onto my psychology professor, the only thing i do in his class is sleep. By some coincidence, my cousin is in the same psychology class as me, and athough she did mention that I was sleeping in the first few classes, lately she too has been falling asleep in the class. And it's not her fault. He's so one-minded, he doesn't know the subject, he treats his job like a holiday. Sometimes i wonder how he managed to get the job, but he did, and well, the class is suffering because of it (well, it would, except that he simply marks as well. I have a 90% average in my course, and i passed up almost everything late.) But the point is, we're not exactly learning anything, we're just in his class for a certificate...
So sometimes you just have bad luck, and you get a terrible professor. Other times, you get good professors who know their stuff, and what they're doing.
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O, and onto college girls. I can normally divide them into 2 categories. Those who really care about relationships, and those who well... just want to have drunk sex.
And in my country (malaysia), about 80% fit into the second category.
I know a few girls who really care about their relationships, who have that absolute trust with their boyfriends, who have been together for like 3-4 years (we're all 17-19 years old). And I know a few girls who changes boyfriends like they change clothes.
I see girls who cry when they break up, and they take a long time to recover. I saw a girl who broke up, and just asked the next hot guy she saw.
Yeah... everyone is different i guess. But well, your experience in college probably depends on how lucky you are.
And i saw the post by someone (i forgot) and i agree with him. If you want to find a girl with a relationship, and the girls you hang out with are normally the drunken girls, find a different group of friends. You'll probably have more chance that way.
Bullshit.
Getting drunk is fucking great, mixing drinks and waking up the next morning is not, but the actual drinking and being drunk is great. Of course I can hold my booze pretty well, so maybe that's part of it - I sit in that sweet "drunk but not fucked up" state for a VERY long time. You've never done it, so don't talk shit about it.
Again, you never did it. Maybe it doesn't work for you, that's fine, but for a lot of people it's not a "meaningless waste of time and energy" - waking up and going "where the fuck am I.. oh yeah" isn't as bad as you might think.
Maybe that was your college sucking. That said, we're in different countries and probably different fields (most of my course is extremely clear cut - it's either wrong or it's right).
Universities are usually more concerned with the research ability of professors than their teaching skill, so it isn't that surprising.
don't forget prestige and fame, they love those cause they mean grants and funding!
was meaning to respond last night, but my internet died
There's a difference between guidance, which can be helpful in select situations on the student's terms, and the expectation that you'll listen to hours of lectures and submit necessarily contrived assignments periodically, causing you to focus more on gaming the system to improve your grades rather than actual learning. You can often learn from assignments, but it's not efficient at all, and usually doesn't take into account the differences in the way people learn best. And don't even get me started on "group projects"...
And as it turns out, my favourite software engineering books more closely resemble expert guidance than hard, scientific theory.
I'm not only speaking about computer science courses, I'm speaking about courses in general, and I've taken enough variety to know that the problems are widely prevailing (and because of the causes, there's no reason to expect they wouldn't be). It's probably not a matter of time before the system develops itself to my liking; the shittiness is due to fundamental issues with the college education model, namely that education programs are designed to satisfy the needs of the average student, as is economical for the schools.
However, perhaps this would all be fine and dandy if there wasn't a widely held view that a degree makes you more of a worthy hire. This view is really unfortunate. It allows slackers to game the system and come out with a piece of paper, able to feign legitimacy, and it aggravates people like me who have to waste their time going through the motions instead of making legitimate progress. Only a year and a half left, thank god. At least I have some good friends here.
There's a difference between guidance, which can be helpful in select situations on the student's terms, and the expectation that you'll listen to hours of lectures and submit necessarily contrived assignments periodically, causing you to focus more on gaming the system to improve your grades rather than actual learning. You can often learn from assignments, but it's not efficient at all, and usually doesn't take into account the differences in the way people learn best. And don't even get me started on "group projects"...
And as it turns out, my favourite software engineering books more closely resemble expert guidance than hard, scientific theory.
I'm not only speaking about computer science courses, I'm speaking about courses in general, and I've taken enough variety to know that the problems are widely prevailing (and because of the causes, there's no reason to expect they wouldn't be). It's probably not a matter of time before the system develops itself to my liking; the shittiness is due to fundamental issues with the college education model, namely that education programs are designed to satisfy the needs of the average student, as is economical for the schools.
However, perhaps this would all be fine and dandy if there wasn't a widely held view that a degree makes you more of a worthy hire. This view is really unfortunate. It allows slackers to game the system and come out with a piece of paper, able to feign legitimacy, and it aggravates people like me who have to waste their time going through the motions instead of making legitimate progress. Only a year and a half left, thank god. At least I have some good friends here.