RU Cramorant [QC 2/2] [GP 1/1]

Plague von Karma

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[SET]
name: Here Comes the Cramory! (Gulp Missile Attacker)
move 1: Surf
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Defog / Substitute
move 4: Roost
item: Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Gulp Missile
nature: Timid
evs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
With its typing and ability, Cramorant serves as a unique Defogger in RU that fits onto balance and offensive teams relatively well. Resistances to Fire and Fighting-type moves, both very common attacks in the tier, give it ample opportunity to switch in on Pokemon such as Charizard. Cramorant's STAB Surf allows it to check an array of entry hazard setters in the tier as well, such as Steelix, Rhydon and Mudsdale. However, while this gives it opportunities to Defog, it should fear their Rock-type attacks. Roost is crucial to Cramorant's longevity, keeping it healthy in the face of residual damage and special attackers that can't deal too much damage to it. Substitute can be used over Defog to help with activating Gorging Cramorant, as well as helping it check opposing Pokemon more easily. Should a team benefit from paralyzing specific threats, Endure is a good alternative, guaranteeing a Gulp Missile hit while keeping Cramorant around. 216 Speed EVs are used to outspeed Pokemon with base 80 Speed, such as non-Choice Scarf Gallade and Passimian. 132 Special Attack EVs allow Cramorant to get a guaranteed 3HKO on Ninetales with Surf while being able to Roost off Fire Blast damage. It can also KO Bewear after Stealth Rock damage with Hurricane.

While Cramorant serves as a good Defogger, a 4x weakness to Electric-type attacks means that it will struggle against Rotom-C and Sticky Web setters such as Galvantula or Vikavolt. Vileplume and Steelix are good teammates to alleviate this; Vileplume can absorb Rotom-C's attacks well, and Steelix takes minimal damage from Galvantula and Vikavolt's attacks while giving Cramorant a backbone against strong physical attackers like Silvally and Copperajah. Drampa and Virizion are also fairly good choices for taking on opposing Electric-types. As Gastrodon and Jellicent's Water immunities completely prevent Cramorant from setting up Gulp Missile, a counter to these is imperative; Rotom-C, Vileplume, and Decidueye can handle them efficiently. The paralysis Cramorant spreads through Gulp Missile can aid wallbreakers with middling Speed stats, such as Passimian, Decidueye, and Frosmoth, when facing faster threats.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[Mavis, 469610], [MrAldo, 227521]]
- Grammar checked by: [[The Dutch Plumberjack, 232216]]
 
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Mavis

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let's get this cracking- blue for add, red for remove, (green) for mavis's words of wisdom.
[SET]
name: Here Comes the Cramory!
move 1: Surf
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Defog / Substitute
move 4: Roost
item: Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Gulp Missile
nature: Timid
evs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe 252 HP / 40 SpD / 216 Spe (discussed in QC channel and for right now we are gonna be using this as the primary spread due to how well cram handles intel + more hp means more gulp missile shenanigans.)

[SET COMMENTS]
Cramorant serves as a unique Defogger in RU thanks to its unique typing and ability, fitting well onto balance and offensive teams. This typing gives it a resistance to Fire and Fighting-type moves, both very common attacks in the tier, giving it an opportunity to switch in on Pokemon such as Charizard. Cramorant's STAB Surf allows it to check an array of hazard setters in the tier as well, such as Steelix, Rhydon and Mudsdale. However, it should fear their Rock-type attacks. Roost is crucial to Cramorant's longevity, keeping it healthy in the face of residual damage and special attackers that can't deal too much damage to it. This helps it stay healthy to keep switching in, absorb special hits, and possibly setting up Gulp Missile. Substitute can be used to help with getting Gorging Cramorant active, as well as helping it check opposing Pokemon more easily. Should a team benefit from paralyzing specific threats though, Endure is a good 3rd slot alternative, guaranteeing a Gulp Missile hit while keeping Cramorant around. mention something about 216 Speed being used for base 80s (gallade/passi)

While Cramorant serves as a good Defogger, it has some glaring flaws. It has a 4x weakness to Electric, meaning that it will struggle against Rotom-Mow, or Sticky Web setters such as Galvantula or Vikavolt. mention more pokemon that can aid against these electric-types, namely drampa and virizion Steelix is a good teammate since it takes minimal damage from their attacks and gives Cramorant a backbone against strong physical attackers like Silvally and Copperajah. Gastrodon and Jellicent have Water immunities, completely preventing Cramorant from setting up Gulp Missile. A counter to these is imperative; Rotom-Mow, Vileplume and Abomasnow Decidueye (aboma is a lot less relevant than decid here) make fairly good choices in this case can handle them effectively. The paralysis Cramorant spreads through Gulp Missile can aid wallbreakers with middling Speed stats, such as Passimian, Decidueye, and Frosmoth, when facing faster threats.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[username1, userid1], [username2, userid2]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]

well done friend 1/2
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MrAldo

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BEACK AGAIN with another cramorant spread

Cramorant @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Gulp Missile
EVs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Surf
- Defog
- Hurricane
- Roost

So, when I see cramorant (and with inteleon out of the way) we certainly want to cover some specific stuff to make good use of it. First, and most importantly, with the spread it makes for a very serviceable ninetales check that doesnt have to rely on status like for example charizard. The spread always 3hkos ninetales under sun with surf

132 SpA Cramorant Surf vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Ninetales in Sun: 98-116 (34.1 - 40.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

252 SpA Ninetales Fire Blast vs. 160 HP / 0 SpD Cramorant in Sun: 102-121 (31.7 - 37.6%) -- 92.4% chance to 3HKO

Then makes sure fire blast and solarbeam just 3hko at worst so roosting against it is always possible since you are slower than it. Pretty applicable.

The speed is to outspeed up to base 80s, can outspeed up to non choice scarf passimian and gallade, and has the possibility to KO most fighters, bewear being the bulkier one of the bunch is KOd after rocks. Gallade is trickier but can still be 1v1d if twisted spoon.

132 SpA Cramorant Hurricane vs. 4 HP / 0 SpD Bewear: 362-428 (94.7 - 112%) -- 68.8% chance to OHKO

Can hold its own rather well vs decidueye, vileplume sludge bomb is a 3hko without factoring poison so beating it plausible with this spread assuming hitting hurricanes is on point.

Lets focus in mentioning how it can check ninetales decently and that the special attack is to KO Bewear after rocks damage, there are a bunch of good tanking benchmarks like scarf passimian not KOing with anything but it is convoluted so lets keep it simple.

Rest of the analysis looks good so keep it up!
 

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GP 1/1
[SET]
name: Here Comes the Cramory! (Defog)
move 1: Surf
move 2: Hurricane
move 3: Defog / Substitute
move 4: Roost
item: Heavy-Duty Boots
ability: Gulp Missile
nature: Timid
evs: 160 HP / 132 SpA / 216 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
With its typing and ability, Cramorant serves as a unique Defogger in RU thanks to its unique typing and ability, fitting that fits onto balance and offensive teams relatively well. This typing gives it a Resistances to Fire- and Fighting-type moves, both very common attacks in the tier, which gives give it ample opportunity to switch in on Pokemon such as Charizard. Cramorant's STAB Surf allows it to check an array of entry hazard setters in the tier as well, such as Steelix, Rhydon and Mudsdale. However, while this gives it a better opportunity opportunities to Defog, it should fear their Rock-type attacks. Roost is crucial to Cramorant's longevity, keeping it healthy in the face of residual damage and special attackers that can't deal too much damage to it. Substitute can be used over Defog to help with activating Gorging Cramorant, as well as helping it check opposing Pokemon more easily. Should a team benefit from paralyzing specific threats, Endure is a good 3rd slot alternative, guaranteeing a Gulp Missile hit while keeping Cramorant around. 216 Speed EVs are used to outspeed Pokemon with base 80 Speed, such as non-Choice Scarf Gallade and Passimian. 132 Special Attack EVs allow Cramorant to get a guaranteed 3HKO on Ninetales with Surf while being able to Roost off Fire Blast damage. It can also KO Bewear after Stealth Rock damage with Hurricane.

While Cramorant serves as a good Defogger, it has some glaring flaws. It has a 4x weakness to Electric-type attacks, meaning means that it will struggle against Rotom-C. It will also struggle against and Sticky Web setters such as Galvantula or and Vikavolt. Steelix is a good teammate to alleviate this, as it takes minimal damage from their attacks (is this still accurate w/ merged sentences? not sure how well it'd take on rotom) and gives Cramorant a backbone against strong physical attackers (RC) like Silvally and Copperajah. Drampa and Virizion are also fairly good choices for taking on opposing Electric-types. (?) As Gastrodon and Jellicent's have Water immunities (RC) completely preventing prevent Cramorant from setting up Gulp Missile, (comma) a counter to these is imperative; Rotom-Mow Rotom-C, Vileplume, (AC) and Decidueye can handle them efficiently. The paralysis Cramorant spreads through Gulp Missile can aid wallbreakers with middling Speed stats, such as Passimian, Decidueye, and Frosmoth, when facing faster threats.

[CREDITS]
- Written by: [[Plague von Karma, 236353]]
- Quality checked by: [[Mavis, 469610], [MrAldo, 227521]]
- Grammar checked by: [[username1, userid1]]
 

Plague von Karma

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So regarding the Rotom-C VS Steelix bit, I added a note that it should fear Leaf Storm when it's already taken damage. It can work, but it's not actually going to kill it. Can you check what I wrote to ensure it's ok? I don't wanna slap the stamp on and get it uploaded unless it's all accurate.

I've implemented everything you said overall, though.
 

Lumari

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So regarding the Rotom-C VS Steelix bit, I added a note that it should fear Leaf Storm when it's already taken damage. It can work, but it's not actually going to kill it. Can you check what I wrote to ensure it's ok? I don't wanna slap the stamp on and get it uploaded unless it's all accurate.

I've implemented everything you said overall, though.
I wouldn't really bother going into that matchup, would make more sense to just add another teammate that takes on Rotom well. "x and Steelix are good teammates to alleviate this, as the former takes on Rotom-C, while the latter takes minimal damage from Galvantula and Vikavolt's attacks and gives Cramorant a backbone against strong physical attackers like Silvally and Copperajah." If that's not an option just specify that "their attacks" = Galvantula and Vikavolt, but yea first thing I'd wanna hear while reading that paragraph is smth that beats Rotom and I'd be confused if there was nothing mentioned there.
 

Plague von Karma

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I wouldn't really bother going into that matchup, would make more sense to just add another teammate that takes on Rotom well. "x and Steelix are good teammates to alleviate this, as the former takes on Rotom-C, while the latter takes minimal damage from Galvantula and Vikavolt's attacks and gives Cramorant a backbone against strong physical attackers like Silvally and Copperajah." If that's not an option just specify that "their attacks" = Galvantula and Vikavolt, but yea first thing I'd wanna hear while reading that paragraph is smth that beats Rotom and I'd be confused if there was nothing mentioned there.
I suggested Vileplume, and tried to make the sentence a bit easier to read. How does it look?
 

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