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Crisis Core V3 [Won by Melvni]
- Thread starter Sweet Jesus
- Start date
Combusken @ Eviolite
Trait: Speed Boost
252 Atk / 252 Def / 4 HP
Naughty Nature
-Vacuum Wave
-Sky Uppercut
-Rest
-Focus Blast
Triple Fighting coverage FTW.
Combusken can come in on anything with Eviolite, it doesn't get OHKOd by Tauros' Zen Headbutt and can OHKO everything back with Sky Uppercut.
If Tauros is in, Combusken comes in on anything. If Tauros used Zen Headbutt, then you survive the hit, outspeed thanks to Speed Boost and OHKO back Focus Blast.
If Tauros used sub, just use Vacuum Wave to break the sub followed by Sky Uppercut which is a guaranteed KO after a sub.
If he spams subs till 1 HP and Endeavours, no problem, you Vacuum Wave and he dies. If he switches to Liepard, he has to take a Vacuum Wave to a face, and is thus 2HKO’d by Vacuum Wave. After Tauros dies and Liepard comes in, Rest up to avoid being KO’d, and even if Liepard uses Encore on the turn you wake up, simply use Vacuum Wave, outspeeding it thanks to the +1 priority, and you can now safely kill Liepard.
If Liepard is in, Combusken again comes in on anything. If U-Turn to Tauros, simply do the above. If anything else, just Sky Uppercut once and you have a dead Liepard. Focus Blast Tauros when he comes in. Boom.
Calcs:
0 SpA Combusken Focus Blast vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Tauros: 302-356 (103.78 - 122.33%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Combusken Sky Uppercut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tauros: 236-282 (81.09 - 96.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 177-211 (67.55 - 80.53%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Combusken Sky Uppercut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tauros: 236-282 (81.09 - 96.9%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 Atk Life Orb Sheer Force Tauros Zen Headbutt vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 177-211 (67.55 - 80.53%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Combusken Sky Uppercut vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Liepard: 392-464 (145.72 - 172.49%) -- guaranteed OHKO
0 SpA Combusken Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Liepard: 132-156 (49.07 - 57.99%) -- 45.31% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Dread Plate Liepard Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 48-57 (18.32 - 21.75%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Liepard U-turn vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 12-14 (4.58 - 5.34%) -- 9HKO at best
252+ Atk Dread Plate Liepard Night Slash vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 42-49 (16.03 - 18.7%) -- possible 6HKO
0 SpA Combusken Vacuum Wave vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Liepard: 132-156 (49.07 - 57.99%) -- 45.31% chance to 2HKO
252+ Atk Dread Plate Liepard Sucker Punch vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 48-57 (18.32 - 21.75%) -- possible 5HKO
252+ Atk Liepard U-turn vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 12-14 (4.58 - 5.34%) -- 9HKO at best
252+ Atk Dread Plate Liepard Night Slash vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Eviolite Combusken: 42-49 (16.03 - 18.7%) -- possible 6HKO
Not to mention that Vacuum Wave is illegal with Speed Boost due to it being a 4th Gen only Tutor move. (Annoyer and I were sad when we learned about this ;_;) PS probably doesn't show the illegalities as its been known to allow illegal sets from time to time. I would recommend attempting these challenges using PO (PO1 has the best teambuilder anyways imo) as it does warn you when you have an illegal set on the teambuilder itself and even lets you know how each Pokemon learns the move so you get an idea why it's illegal.
Aw crap. Ok .__.
Gurdurr @ Eviolite
Trait: Iron Fist
252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
-Drain Punch
-Mach Punch
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The best thing that the opponents team can go for is zen headbutt from tauros, which is only a 3HKO.
Gurdurr can just heal up some lost HP with Drain Punch.
If Tauros subs down a lot, then Mach Punch will do enough to knock it out when its at 40%~~, but I prefer just going for drain punches and Mach punch only when the sub is broken and when Tauros is at 25%.
If Liepard is in, Gurdurr can just go for drain punches, and proceed to knock it out.
Trait: Iron Fist
252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
-Drain Punch
-Mach Punch
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The best thing that the opponents team can go for is zen headbutt from tauros, which is only a 3HKO.
Gurdurr can just heal up some lost HP with Drain Punch.
If Tauros subs down a lot, then Mach Punch will do enough to knock it out when its at 40%~~, but I prefer just going for drain punches and Mach punch only when the sub is broken and when Tauros is at 25%.
If Liepard is in, Gurdurr can just go for drain punches, and proceed to knock it out.
Alomomola @ Rocky Helmet
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Def / 252 HP / 4 SAtk
Bold Nature
- Scald
- Protect
- Wish
- Toxic
Tangela @ Eviolite
Trait: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Def / 248 HP / 4SAtk
Bold Nature
- Giga Drain
- Knock Off
- Leech Seed
- Synthesis
If Tauros is in, Alomomola switches in. Takes very little from Rock Climb:
And can Wish + Protect, while Tauros is worn down with Rocky Helmet and Substitute (which'll equal a good chunk of HP) to start off with, etc. Alomomola on the other hand can keep recovering. If Liepard switches in to try and use Encore on Protect/Wish, Alomomola switches to Tangela.
Alomomola then switches to Tangela. If Tauros is in Endeavor range to start off with, or at any point, then it'll die to Alomomola due to Rocky Helmet, and Alomomola can recover the damage by switching to Tangela, while Tangela will take very little from Liepard's attacks.
Tangela on the other hand can just recover with Giga Drain and switch to Alomomola as it pleases to wear Liepard down, and help it recover.
If Liepard uses U-Turn and switches to Tauros, it'll just keep using Giga Drain and take some from Liepard.
As for Tauros on Tangela to help Alomomola recover HP, then you've got this:
If Liepard is in, Alomomola switches in and uses Scald - if it burns great, if not,
Which'll wear Tauros and Liepard down, depending on whether it uses U-turn or not. If not, just switch between the two to recover HP to avoid Encore. Then from there just repeat the above steps/information.
Also, Tangela can use Knock Off on Tauros to remove Life Orb and lower damage output and Alomomola can use Toxic if it senses a switch. However Giga Drain and Scald are preferable in most cases.
On another note I calc'd without the extra 4 EVs in sPA but it doesn't really make a difference soooo.
So, the forum is pretty busy with the new arrivals and this thread is slowly dying out. I will post the final round around 9pm EST or tomorrow morning if something goes wrong. Last chance to find a counter to this (new NU arrivals cannot be used in round 4 but will be legal in round 5).
Final round already? I'm gonna miss this thread :(
I'm getting more and more busy with school and don't have much time to host this at the moment. If someone else feels like reviving this thread they can ask me suggestions and I might even want to cohost. (To anyone who wants to revive this, please don't make a V4 of this thread if you are not experienced enough to balance the difficulty of your cores or prove counters wrong yourself. If you think you are experienced enough, ask a mod before reviving this and you are free to steal my op
). So, here's the final round (trick specs jynx cause countering sleep is boring), I'll compile round 4 points on friday.
Skuntank (M) @ Black Sludge
Trait: Aftermath
EVs: 252 Atk / 20 HP / 236 Spd
Adamant Nature
- Sucker Punch
- Poison Jab
- Pursuit
- Crunch
Jynx (F) @ Choice Specs
Trait: Dry Skin
EVs: 252 SAtk / 4 SDef / 252 Spd
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Psyshock
- Focus Blast
- Trick
No hazards on both sides
Little hint on finding counters because very few people know about a useful fact : http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Mail
Your counter musn't die to skuntank's aftermath
Golem
Item: Lum Berry
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 236 HP/252 Atk/ 44 Spe
Moveset:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Rock Blast
-Sucker Punch
Utility Golem would be an excellent counter for both of these pokemon. Golem can OHKO Jynx with all of his moves, one of which is Sucker Punch which makes Jynx's faster speed not a problem. Utility Golem also usually comes with Lum Berry, so he can soak up a Lovely Kiss and KO her in retaliation. Her using trick can ruin the utility and allow your opponent to set up on you, though.
Golem can also take all of Skuntank's moves and hit it back with an Earthquake which OHKO it. The most Jolly Skuntank can do is 5HKO it with Sucker Punch.
Item: Lum Berry
Ability: Sturdy
Nature: Adamant
EVs: 236 HP/252 Atk/ 44 Spe
Moveset:
-Stealth Rock
-Earthquake
-Rock Blast
-Sucker Punch
Utility Golem would be an excellent counter for both of these pokemon. Golem can OHKO Jynx with all of his moves, one of which is Sucker Punch which makes Jynx's faster speed not a problem. Utility Golem also usually comes with Lum Berry, so he can soak up a Lovely Kiss and KO her in retaliation. Her using trick can ruin the utility and allow your opponent to set up on you, though.
Golem can also take all of Skuntank's moves and hit it back with an Earthquake which OHKO it. The most Jolly Skuntank can do is 5HKO it with Sucker Punch.
Sneasel @ Focus Sash
Trait: Pickpocket
EVs: 208 Spd / 252 Atk / 48 HP
Adamant Nature
- Pursuit
- Assist
- Ice Punch
- Punishment
Metang @ Eviolite
Trait: Clear Body
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 HP / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
- Earthquake
- Bullet Punch
Sneasel comes in on any move of Jynx's attacks while surviving, and proceeds to trap Jynx for a near guaranteed OHKO if she stays in. The EV spread gives Sneasel maximum attack power, enough speed to outrun Jynx (and thus Skuntank), and the rest is thrown into Sp.Def just because.
Even if Jynx goes for the less risky Ice Beam as opposed to Focus Miss, Sneasel is still sitting pretty (while being immune to freezing) and can Pursuit for the likely KO. If Jynx survives, Metang can pick off the scraps.
Metang beats Skuntank one-on-one, and Metang's immunity to Def drops means Skunk's Crunch can't save it that way. Even 2 crits from Skuntank may not KO Metang.
If Skunk is out first, Metang easily tanks Skunk's hits and EQs both pokemon for good damage, meaning one is definitely going down.
The latter scenario is for when a double switch is pulled, resulting in Jynx facing Metang unscathed. Metang can swiftly KO Jynx with EQ + Bullet Punch, and weakens Skunk for Sneasel to clean up.
The former scenario is for when Sneasel does KO Jynx and is face to face with Skunk with 1%. While I could Ice Shard to avoid Sucker Punch and get chip damage off, isn't there a better way to inflict more damage? Enter Assist, which is the primary reason I did not fill Metang's moveslots to the brim. Sneasel has a 50% chance of choosing a move weaker than its Ice Shard, or select an Earthquake more powerful than Metang's, leaving the skunk totally vulnerable to the Iron Claw pokemon. Ice Punch is a more reliable option where I'll use to take down Skunk after Metang sacrifices itself to KO Jynx and soften up Skunk, because I don't want my full health Sneasel to dick around with Assist and take a Poison Jab to the face to the point where Aftermath damage might or a Sucker Punch will KO me (but the Skunk user has to predict for the Assist as well). Punishment is merely there to guarantee the OHKO on Jynx should Skunk get KOed before her.
Note that the success of Assist is not mandatory of this core's success, merely further strengthening its position (Metang still handles Skunk fine).
This is not the best counter to the core.
Golem can't switch in to jynx's ice beam cause it will bring it to sturdy, which can be finished by skuntanks sucker punch after.
Charizard @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 156 HP / 136 SAtk / 216 Spd
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Flamethrower
- Roost
- Will-O-Wisp
Switching into Jynx
You survive Ice Beam and OHKO Jynx with Flamethrower. You'll be left with at least twenty six percent of your health after two turns of Leftovers (switching in and killing Jynx) which means you can burn Skuntank and survive any attack. You'll be able to Roost up and finish off Skuntank with two Flamethrowers. You have a seventy percent chance to avoid the Poison from Poison Jab and Sweet Jesus said that was fine.
If Jynx Tricks you, then both Pokemon are OHKO'ed by Fire Blast.
Switching into Skuntank
This time you can simply survive a hit and burn Skuntank to Roost up. Then proceed to kill both Pokemon with Flamethrower.
Reserving Sawsbuck and Cottonee
Charizard @ Leftovers
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 156 HP / 136 SAtk / 216 Spd
Timid Nature
- Fire Blast
- Flamethrower
- Roost
- Will-O-Wisp
Switching into Jynx
You survive Ice Beam and OHKO Jynx with Flamethrower. You'll be left with at least twenty six percent of your health after two turns of Leftovers (switching in and killing Jynx) which means you can burn Skuntank and survive any attack. You'll be able to Roost up and finish off Skuntank with two Flamethrowers. You have a seventy percent chance to avoid the Poison from Poison Jab and Sweet Jesus said that was fine.
If Jynx Tricks you, then both Pokemon are OHKO'ed by Fire Blast.
Switching into Skuntank
This time you can simply survive a hit and burn Skuntank to Roost up. Then proceed to kill both Pokemon with Flamethrower.
Wow, Charizard again? Who knew that this one can boast some bulk.
On the other hand, you have to land the Will-o-Wisp and not get poisoned to beat Skuntank after Jynx. That's a 52.5% chance of success, which is cutting it pretty thin there, FLCL (Sing and Grasswhistle have better odds!).
Edit: That said, that was pretty much the most likely worst case scenario to occur; seems like Fire Blasting during that range while predicting for anything but Sucker Punch nets you good odds too. I concede this round as well to you :P.
Updated leaderboards with round 4 results.
This round died out fast, there are still one poke counters remaining.
This round died out fast, there are still one poke counters remaining.
How did I miss this
Jynx is dumb, unreserving. Reserving Skuntank and Gigalith.
And someone please create a V4 or continue this thread, it's awesome
Skunk @ BridgeMail S
Trait: Aftermath
EVs: 252 Atk / 16 SDef / 240 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Sucker Punch
-Explosion
Gigalith @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Autotomize
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake
-Rest
If Skuntank is in, switch in Gigalith, tank a hit thanks to its awesome defenses, and use Autotomize, allowing you to now outspeed both Jynx and Skuntank and KO with Rock Blast and Earthquake, respectively. ChestoRest is in case the opponent double switches to Jynx, leaving you to Autotomize, get brought down to Sturdy, followed by KOing Jynx with Rock Blast and ChestoResting to avoid Sucker Punch from Skuntank.
If Jynx is in, switch in Skuntank, live a hit, and KO it with Sucker Punch. When Skuntank switches in, outspeed it and use Explosion, with a very small chance of not KOing. Gigalith can then come in and clean up.
I'm the first to use Mail.
Jynx is dumb, unreserving. Reserving Skuntank and Gigalith.
And someone please create a V4 or continue this thread, it's awesome
Skunk @ BridgeMail S
Trait: Aftermath
EVs: 252 Atk / 16 SDef / 240 Spe
Adamant Nature
-Sucker Punch
-Explosion
Gigalith @ Chesto Berry
Trait: Sturdy
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
-Autotomize
-Rock Blast
-Earthquake
-Rest
If Skuntank is in, switch in Gigalith, tank a hit thanks to its awesome defenses, and use Autotomize, allowing you to now outspeed both Jynx and Skuntank and KO with Rock Blast and Earthquake, respectively. ChestoRest is in case the opponent double switches to Jynx, leaving you to Autotomize, get brought down to Sturdy, followed by KOing Jynx with Rock Blast and ChestoResting to avoid Sucker Punch from Skuntank.
252+ Atk Skuntank Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Gigalith: 93-109 (29.9 - 35.04%) -- guaranteed 4HKO
252 Atk Gigalith Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 312-368 (89.91 - 106.05%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Gigalith Rock Blast (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 564-672 (207.35 - 247.05%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Gigalith Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 312-368 (89.91 - 106.05%) -- 37.5% chance to OHKO
252 Atk Gigalith Rock Blast (3 hits) vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 564-672 (207.35 - 247.05%) -- guaranteed OHKO
If Jynx is in, switch in Skuntank, live a hit, and KO it with Sucker Punch. When Skuntank switches in, outspeed it and use Explosion, with a very small chance of not KOing. Gigalith can then come in and clean up.
252 SpA Life Orb Jynx Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 16 SpD Skuntank: 270-320 (77.8 - 92.21%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252+ Atk Skuntank Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 510-600 (188.19 - 221.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Skuntank Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 329-388 (94.81 - 111.81%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO
252+ Atk Skuntank Sucker Punch vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Jynx: 510-600 (188.19 - 221.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252+ Atk Skuntank Explosion vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Skuntank: 329-388 (94.81 - 111.81%) -- 68.75% chance to OHKO
I'm the first to use Mail.
Core:
@ Fire Gem
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 72 Atk, 228 SpA, 208 Spe
Naive Nature
-Fire Blast
-Crunch
Simisear can't come in safely on any of these 'mons, so who does it for him?
@ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 228 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
Articuno can come in on all the attacks, and it then goes for U-turn, safely bringing Simisear in, and Simisear just knocks everything out with either Crunch or Fire Gem boosted Fire Blast.
None of my Pokemon mind if they get tricked into the Choice Specs.
Oh and if you're wondering...
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 72 Atk, 228 SpA, 208 Spe
Naive Nature
-Fire Blast
-Crunch
Simisear can't come in safely on any of these 'mons, so who does it for him?
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 228 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
Articuno can come in on all the attacks, and it then goes for U-turn, safely bringing Simisear in, and Simisear just knocks everything out with either Crunch or Fire Gem boosted Fire Blast.
None of my Pokemon mind if they get tricked into the Choice Specs.
Oh and if you're wondering...
Core:
@ Fire Gem
Trait: Blaze
EVs: 72 Atk, 228 SpA, 208 Spe
Naive Nature
-Fire Blast
-Crunch
Simisear can't come in safely on any of these 'mons, so who does it for him?
@ Leftovers
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 252 HP / 32 Def / 228 SpD
Impish Nature
- U-turn
Articuno can come in on all the attacks, and it then goes for U-turn, safely bringing Simisear in, and Simisear just knocks everything out with either Crunch or Fire Gem boosted Fire Blast.
None of my Pokemon mind if they get tricked into the Choice Specs.
Oh and if you're wondering...
Articuno comes in on Jynx and takes a Psyshock. Articuno U-Turns on Jynx and takes a Psyshock again with Jynx barely living the hit.
252SpAtk Choice Specs Jynx (Neutral) Psyshock vs 252HP/32Def Articuno (+Def): 41% - 48% (159 - 187 HP). Guaranteed 3HKO
0Atk Articuno (Neutral) U-turn vs 0HP/0Def Dry Skin Jynx (Neutral): 72% - 85% (196 - 232 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
Now Jynx is still (barely) alive, Articuno is at (worst case scenario) about 10% (only one turn of lefties due to U-turning), and Simisear is in against Jynx. Simisear goes for the Crunch (if it goes for the Fire Blast Jynx can take it and burn Simisear's only chance to take out Skuntank), Skuntank switches in and takes it, Simisear now has to go for the Fire Blast or be taken out by two hits from Skuntank, Jynx switches back in and takes the hit and faints, Simisear can no longer OHKO with Fire Blast and dies from the combo of any two attacks, and Articuno is taken out by any move as it tries to U-turn.
72Atk Simisear (Neutral) Crunch vs 20HP/0Def Skuntank (Neutral): 11% - 14% (42 - 50 HP). Guaranteed 9HKO.
228SpAtk Blaze Simisear (Neutral) Fire Blast vs 20HP/0SpDef Skuntank (Neutral): 67% - 79% (237 - 279 HP). Guaranteed 2HKO.
I'll close this tomorrow about this time (7pm EST)