In every single tier, the metagame is constantly evolving. Even in "dead" tiers like ADV, we can see a progression and evolution of the metagame as people find and develop new strategies. A clear example of this would be in DPP. During the first half of DPP, SubPetaya Empoleon hadnt been discovered. When it got discovered, the metagame shifted, and now we could see other Pokemon being used in order to neuter this new potent threat.
This is currently happening and will keep happening in the current OU tier. Be it because of new sets / powerful Pokemon being used, or because of the Suspect Test banning something / bringing down something from Ubers. The Mega Lucario ban, for example, has let lesser Megas come out from his shadow and theyre now seeing use in the highest levels of play. This can happen with non Megas as well. Aegislash, during the beginning of XY, saw use as an SD attacker. Now the most common and possibly potent set is the Specially based attacked with Shadow Sneak. The Metagame is constantly evolving and this threads purpose will be sharing our thoughts in the state of the metagame and analyzing its evolution as time passes.
Refrain from bringing posts about banning / unbanning Pokemon, as this is not the thread for that. Posts about it will be quickly deleted and possibly infracted, so please save us the time.
Id like everyone who is interested in posting about this to check out this thread.
It is the usage stats of Smogon Premier League. Hopefully there will also be Smogon Tour statistics, which will give us a great base of discussion regarding the current metagame at the highest level of play.
Ill start us off with a few things ive noticed through all the games ive watched in SPL and at the top of the ladder:
- Mega Charizard X is being used more as a burn spreading tank than a sweeper. Top players are favoring the use of a Will-O-Wisp + Roost set over the Dragon Dance sweeper. Reasons for this are probably the prevalence of stall teams with Unaware Quagsire, which completely shuts down the Dragon Dance set. Theres also the threat of a revenge by CB Talonflame. A more durable set is prefered nowadays in order to let other more reliable sweepers finish the job.
- Unlike in past generations, the Lati pair is now usually opting to run Thunderbolt as their coverage move. This is probably to be able to still hit Keldeo hard, as Latias is one of the best counters to Keldeo in the game, while also threatening Skarmory from setting up layers on their faces as they try to Defog them away.
- Getting the typing change to Fairy has made Clefable one of the most used Pokemon in OU at the top level. Being able to counter almost every dragon and also offering either immense team support through Stealth Rock / Wish / Status spreading or great offensive capabilities through a Calm Mind boosting set that is usually only stopped by Heatran is big for any team. Both of Clefables abilities are fantastic and the little fairy seems to have become an important part of many teams.
- After not seeing much use at the start of this generation, it seems Landorus-I has caught up with its counterpart and is now a very potent Pokemon in many offensive teams. Offering the ability to set up Stealth Rock like his counterpart, it trades its bulk for even more offensive power but this time on the special side. Although the Hidden Power nerf hurt Landorus, it still can run Psychic in order to hit really common Pokemons Talonflame and Rotom-W hard and its Earth Power is still ridiculously strong.
- Seeing a looot of use during the early stages of BW, after the ban of Lucario (whom Conkeldurr could revenge with a Mach Punch), the ban of Genesect (whom Conkel could counter if it was a special set) and the shift from the common Deoxys-S Hazard lead to the now more common Life Orb Sweeper; Conkeldurr has gone down badly in use to the point most top players dont use him anymore. Mega Venusaur being as common as ever doesnt favour him, either.
- Like Mega Charizard X, Talonflame at the top level has switched from being used as a revenge killer to a support Pokemon. Players have realized Talonflames typing coupled with Defog support, a super fast Will-O-Wisp, decent bulk and priority Roost and Brave Bird make him great at more things than its CB counterpart. It can still revenge kill a lot of stuff in a pinch, but now it can stay in on things like Rotom-W, burn them, roost the damage, and cripple it for the rest of the game. Its resistance to Fairy typing also make it a prime switch to Clefable and Mawile, while also being able to outstall Heatran.
- Bisharp has changed in that it used to be taken in order to switch into Defogs, get a Swords Dance while we are at it, end up at +4, and end up sweeping hard with Knock Off / Sucker Punch / Iron Head. His job is still to do massive damage and to make Defog users think twice, but its no longer a Swords Dance sweeper. Players have opted to run Pursuit on it, making it one of the best stallbreakers around. Chansey takes upwards to 40% from a Pursuit, meaning after Stealth Rock and one Pursuit, Chansey can no longer switch in on Special threats with impunity. And if it doesnt use Pursuit, Knock Off will be removing its Eviolite, as well as the precious Leftovers of whatever switches in.
- Politoed is here because of the recent resurgence of Rain as one of the best team archetypes. Although Drizzle was nerfed, Rain teams really dont need more than 7 turns in order to cause massive damage. Couple it with Deoxys-S and its incredibly fast Damp Rock Rain Dance and this team doesnt have problem winning the weather war. Kabutops, Kingdra, Ludicolo, Keldeo. All well known rain sweepers that will crush under this weather.
- Rotom-Wash has gone from being one of the best anti-metagame Pokemon to not being used much. Its ability to take on threats like Talonflame, Landorus, Heatran, and Mega Pinsir have disappeared due to the first now using Will-O-Wisp often, the second being a Psychic variant which will 2HKO, Heatran now running Toxic more than offensive sets, and Mega Pinsir being semi-absent from this metagame in which it cannot properly set-up. Instead now Rotom-W faces problems because of the omnipresence of Mega Venusaur, the Latis, Excadrill now running Mold Breaker so it can OHKO with Earthquake and Aegislash switching on it with impunity.
These are my examples, and this is the kind of critical post id like to see in this thread. Please do not post stuff like "I saw my friend using Swagger Klefki to great success!!" because it will be deleted. Lets try to have a good, proper discussion about the current trends of the metagame without shitting it up. If this thread stays alive for a while, it will be very interesting to see the differences in the trends that will be posted this month, to the stuff we might be seeing posted in May during the final stages of Smogon Tour.
This is currently happening and will keep happening in the current OU tier. Be it because of new sets / powerful Pokemon being used, or because of the Suspect Test banning something / bringing down something from Ubers. The Mega Lucario ban, for example, has let lesser Megas come out from his shadow and theyre now seeing use in the highest levels of play. This can happen with non Megas as well. Aegislash, during the beginning of XY, saw use as an SD attacker. Now the most common and possibly potent set is the Specially based attacked with Shadow Sneak. The Metagame is constantly evolving and this threads purpose will be sharing our thoughts in the state of the metagame and analyzing its evolution as time passes.
Refrain from bringing posts about banning / unbanning Pokemon, as this is not the thread for that. Posts about it will be quickly deleted and possibly infracted, so please save us the time.
Id like everyone who is interested in posting about this to check out this thread.
It is the usage stats of Smogon Premier League. Hopefully there will also be Smogon Tour statistics, which will give us a great base of discussion regarding the current metagame at the highest level of play.
Ill start us off with a few things ive noticed through all the games ive watched in SPL and at the top of the ladder:
These are my examples, and this is the kind of critical post id like to see in this thread. Please do not post stuff like "I saw my friend using Swagger Klefki to great success!!" because it will be deleted. Lets try to have a good, proper discussion about the current trends of the metagame without shitting it up. If this thread stays alive for a while, it will be very interesting to see the differences in the trends that will be posted this month, to the stuff we might be seeing posted in May during the final stages of Smogon Tour.