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D/P Persian

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Just looking at the first moveset makes my stomach turn.

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Return
move 2: Switcheroo
move 3: Night Slash
move 4: U-Turn / Hypnosis
item: Choice Band
ability: Limber
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Despite his low Attack, his 115 base Speed allows him to outspeed most of the UU metagame. There's also Switcheroo, which allows you to swap your Choice Band onto a Pokemon that could be wearing Choice Specs or just to cripple a set-up sweeper. Return, otherwise, is your main attack. Night Slash will hit Ghost-types who would otherwise wall you. Hypnosis works well with the set after you swapped off your Choice Band, however, U-Turn can be used not only to make better use of the Choice Band, but also to escape freely from Pokemon like Golem and still damaging other Pokemon in the process. Limber also gives Persian some freedom to switch in, since he can come in on Thunder Wave and Glare with little worries.</p>

Next one is moreso revising the comments a little. Doesn't need to be added, however.

[SET]
name: Free Hits
move 1: Fake Out
move 2: U-Turn
move 3: Hypnosis
move 4: Bite
item: Silk Scarf / Life Orb
ability: Technician
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Looks like this classy cat has gone conservative! *Gasp*. There are only three Pokemon that do Fake Out + U-Turn well: Persian, Purugly, and Ambipom. Each have their own advantage. Persian and Ambipom have Technician to work with, while Purugly and Persian have Hypnosis to add onto their movesets. So basically, mix Ambipom and Purugly together, and you get something like this. The set is actually nice for the beginning of the battle, at least in UU matches. Basically the goal is to Fake Out and then proceed with U-Turn. If you feel bored and want to incapacitate something, there's the idea of using Hypnosis after Fake Out. There's Bite to hit Ghosts, and Bite has a decent flinch rate. Add Technician and slap on Life Orb or a Silk Scarf, and you have something that will annoy you all day.</p>

Last Resort is good.

[SET]
name: Special Sweeper
move 1: Hypnosis
move 2: Nasty Plot
move 3: Swift
move 4: Water Pulse
item: Life Orb / Leftovers / Lum Berry
ability: Technician
nature: Timid
evs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
ivs: 31 HP / 31 Atk / 30 Def / 28 SpA / 30 SpD / 30 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>I bet I know what you're thinking right now: since when can Persian go on the special spectrum again, this isn't RBY, is it? Thanks to Nasty Plot, he can accomplish it easily. STAB Swift and Technician make this set somewhat devestating, and STAB Swift never missing makes people that want to use evasion or accuracy modifiers useless. The idea is to use Hypnosis and then Nasty Plot on the switch. In other words, it almost garuntees a free Nasty Plot unless your opponent has something that is faster than Persian, which is unlikely in most cases. Water Pulse adds toward the set for a great combination of Normal and Water, which hits everything in UU barring Shedinja. Though it's not mentioned, the IVs are incase you wish to use Hidden Power Fighting. The IVs will give you a base of 59, and becomes 88 with the Technician boost. It also allows some extra Speed that would have been lost if you chose for a base power of 60..</p>

I want to take off the Flail + Psych Up set, since it sounds so gimmicky. I was tempted to try Assist instead, but it's still 1 / 4 of a chance to get a Swords Dance (or Dragon Dance if you're Altaria).

[Other Options]
<p>On the physical side, Iron Tail stands out, as it would hit pure Rock types like Golem pretty hard, but even in the rare case, it is still barely effective on Aggron, Probopass, and Bastidon. Fury Swipes can work with the Choice Band set and can break Substitutes, however you suffer two problems: the first being the Pokemon that would even use Substitute commonly would be Aggron, which 4x resists Normal. The second problem would be that it takes four Fury Swipes to do more damage than Return. You can also question about Double-Edge, despite it offering more power, the recoil can be a huge disadvantage, and if you get a Life Orb from Switcheroo, it will do nothing more but bring you toward your death even faster. Aerial Ace gets a Technician boost and hits harder than Return on Fighting-types as well as Grass-types. Payback gets a Technician boost and can also have 100 base power if you move last, though that would probably only happen if your opponent is using a Choice Scarf or if your opponent is switching. And of course, there is also Punishment, which can "punish" Pokemon that like to spam moves like Calm Mind or Swords Dance. Persian is not exactly the greatest Flail user, but it's something that he has available if you're gutsy enough.</p>

<p>Believe it or not, there are some other special moves that weren't listed in the Special Sweeper set. Dark Pulse and Shadow Ball hit Ghost-types that would otherwise wall your Swifts. Shadow Ball gets the added advantage of hitting Toxicroak, but Dark Pulse has the nifty chance to flinch. Thunderbolt and Thunder are also decent options, hitting bulky Waters in the process. If Mantine is the main reason for the move, after a Nasty Plot, Swift with a Life Orb will 2HKO Mantine if Mantine steps into Stealth Rock, so in most cases it would barely matter. Icy Wind is great against Altaria and pairs well with Thunderbolt, and gains the benefit of a Technician boost and a chance of a Speed drop, keeping Altaria from outspeeding you if he dares to start dancing. Power Gem may not look like a move to choose from, however, it hits many Pokemon in the UU environment super effective, including Altaria, Mantine, Scyther, Froslass, Drifblim, Shedinja, Walrien... the list goes on.</p>

<p>Assist, Snatch, and Psych Up are somewhat gimmicky, but work decently on Persian. You never know when you could steal (or gain in Assist's case) a free Swords Dance or even Dragon Dance, so it's not a bad thing to try. Charm can soften physical attacks directed at Persian.</p>

I think I hit everything else otherwise. In case if you didn't read up top, yes, I didn't put the Last Resort set in, but that was only because that I thought that section was fine as is. Feel free to suggest or whatever please.
 
The reason I added that sentence was because of the whole "Al Gore" ordeal with Ambipom. The sentence can be scratched out however. Fixed the other two suggestions.
 
Base Power 60 HP Fighting is good, but also consider the option of 59 Power (31/31/30/28/30/30) since the speed is more important and you're raising SpAtt with Nasty Plot anyway. You have slight better defences too.
 
Hm, you are right about the Speed, since the Special Attack difference is just two and the Speed would help as well as taking a hit. I'll add the IVs.
 
nitpicks

Persian may have the lackluster Attack for a Choice Band, but the fact of 115 Speed keeping it ahead of everyone else and one of Persian's new moves, Switcheroo, keep it interesting to use.
"...the fact that it has base 115 Speed lets it stay ahead of everyone else..."
Hypnosis should go on the set mainly because after you have swapped your Choice Band to someone else, you can just cripple the next switch-in, or if your opponnent wants to sit there like a Golem, you can just put him to sleep and run home free.
opponent. Also, I'd remove both "just"s.
or even some of the walls like the Substitute + Focus Punch Aggron
Removing these will make the sentence sound smoother, in my opinion.
So basically, mix Ambipom and Purugly together, and you get something like this, which is a worthy set for the start-up.
"the start-up"? The beginning of the battle? Needs to be clearer.
There's Bite to add on just to hit Ghosts, and let's not forget that Bite has a decent flinch rate even.
Remove "even". Also, "to add on"? Is that needed? "There's Bite to hit Ghosts, and let's not forget that Bite has a decent flinch rate."
I bet I know what you're thinking right now, since when can Persian go on the special spectrum again?
"I bet I know what you're thinking: Since when can Persian go on the special spectrum?"
and the fact of Swift never missing makes people that want to use Sand-Attack or Double Team just to make you mad useless.
"and the fact that Swift never misses makes all evasion or accuracy modifiers useless."
Power Gem is an okay attack that would hit some Bug Pokemon or even the exceptions like Altaria and even others like Dewgong and Glalie.
"... or others like Altaria, Dewgong, and Glalie."
If you're choosing Hidden Power Fighting (which has a base power of 90 thanks to the IVs suggested), then by all means choose Dark Pulse, as this not only creates a deadly combination, it also means that you hit Aggron, Probopass, Bastidon, and some of the Psychic-types or Ghost-types Super Effective.
Pretty long sentence. I suggest you replace the bolded part with a semi-colon or a period.
If you feel bored and want to incompacitate something, there's the idea of using Hypnosis after Fake Out.
You mean incapacitate?
 
Blech, didn't think I would slaughter this so badly. And to think I did the ACT Writing test today. ;_; Though I don't think they have "Pokemon" in ACTs anyways, so you would rarely see opponent and such. Otherwise patched things up and fixed / added a thing or two.

IMO, if any of the sets could use a suggestion or two, it might be the Nasty Plot set. When, with the exception of Icy Wind, would you ever use Thunderbolt over Dark Pulse, or any move for that matter? With Stealth Rock Swift SHOULD 2HKO Mantine after a Nasty Plot, so why bother? Other Options perhaps?
 
Here is what I have so far

Please note: I go by the thought that using too many words when less can be used is incorrect, like an English teacher, so some places I am taking out superfluous phrases though ‘correct’

[SET]
name: Choice Band
move 1: Return
move 2: Switcheroo
move 3: Bite / Night Slash
move 4: U-Turn / Hypnosis
item: Choice Band
ability: Technician / Limber
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

[SET COMMENTS]
<p>Persian may have lackluster Attack for Choice Band usage, but its 115 Speed allows it to outspeed most everyone else, and one of Persian's new moves, Switcheroo, keeps it interesting to use. It's always fun to throw on a Choice Band onto a Pokemon that rely on Choice Specs, set-up sweepers, or even some of the walls like the Substitute + Focus Punch Aggron. Regardless, with a Choice Band, Persian has 358 Attack, so it's a decent contender. Bite is better off used with Technician, and Night Slash is with Limber. The difference is the free switch-in thanks to Limber versus a 90 Base Power move that can cause flinching (Technician). Night Slash is probably preferable because of the fact that there is only one move to really abuse Technician with.</p>

(‘the lackluster attack’ is definitely wrong, and you need to communicate why its lackluster attack matters, which usage does; its is simpler than ‘the fact that it has’ and communicates the same point; pretty sure a comma is needed after else; needs to be keeps not keep, I am pretty sure either way, but especially with my changes; has is more proper than ‘gets’; if you are going to use ‘regardless’ like you did, then you probably should change it to say ‘so, though decent, it still cannot do much damage’ or something, because regardless looks as if it is saying ‘in spite of choice band and its speed, it still can only do this much moderate (but not awful) damage; is instead of would be - you conflicted tenses in the same sentence; if you do not repeat ‘used’, then you also should not repeat better off; thanks to (or due to would be fine as well) is more proper; nice is unnecessary since you are already assuming they know what Technician does; needs to be cause a flinch or causes flinching (I chose the latter since they can use the attack multiple times); the way I restated it makes it more definitive and simplified; you misused the word of again)
 
Shortened and rewrote Choice Band and Nasty Plot set. I just decided to toss out Thunderbolt on the Nasty Plot set, since Mantine is 2HKOed anyways by Nasty Plotted Swift after switching into Stealth Rock (also applied with Life Orb).
 
free hits said:
Looks like this classy cat has gone conservative! *Gasp*. There are only three Pokemon that do Fake Out + U-Turn well: Persian, Purugly, and Ambipom. Each have their own advantage.

Should be "Each has it's own advantage", each is a singular noun, not plural.

For the special sweeper set, Hypnosis really should be a primary option. Water Pulse/Swift hits everything in UU neutral (I haven't done calcs but I'm guessing at worst WP would 2HKO Probo & company), so running a set with just 2 moves is definitely a viable choice and the free turn of setup is welcome.
 
double edge mention on the CB set? or at least in Other Options.
persian likes the extra kick, and probably wont be surviving all that long regardless
 
Okay, I am not going to bother editing more, because you do not seem to get how to revise after editing very well %_% All you did was make your sentences awkward with the way you rewrote it, and you still kept in things like bandying around the phrase 'it is a fact' when things are not a fact (it is not a fact that Switcheroo makes something interesting; it can never be a fact that something is interesting)
 
I can emphasize that Hypnosis, Water Pulse, and Swift would do well on the Special Set, but I'll leave the IVs there for input if they so choose Hidden Power Fighting. I'll throw it in.

Double-Edge? Er, well, I guess he COULD run it, but I'll look at some calcs first before I jump toward Double-Edge. Despite the extra kick, the recoil is pretty gruesome, and Persian could still survive if he got Leftovers from the Switcheroo.

EDIT: Fine fine, I'll take out the emphsizing and such. Give me a couple of minutes.
 
Technician really isn't worth it on the Choice Band set when it only boosts one attack. Take out Bite and just have Night Slash in there.

HP Fighting (along with the IV spreads), Thunderbolt, Thunder, Dark Pulse, Shadow Ball, Icy Wind and Power Gem (which isn't that bad, since it hits Froslass, Drifblim, Shedinja, Altaria and Mantine in one move) should all be in Other Options.

Punishment and Payback should also be mentioned in Other Options since they get Technician boosts and can also be powered up some other way (Calm Minders, switch-ins).
 
I kept the IVs in the Special Sweeper set, and mentioned Hidden Power Fighting. Added everything else that I missed (I dunno when Thunder would be extremely useful over Thunderbolt, but regardless added it).

I put Punishment in there, but IIRC someone mentioned that it doesn't get the Technician boost once it surpasses 60 Base Power (so it would technically be after 2 boosts, or 41 Base Power, without adding on the Technician boost). It gains 20 Base Power after every stat-up.
 
Hmmm. I use choice Specs Persian. Very Useful.
Persian (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Limber
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Petal Dance
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

or

Persian Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Petal Dance
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty PLot
- Swift

Thunderbolt could fit in there somewhere. Maybe over swift and Limber would replace technician.
 
Petal Dance seems very eh to me, a horrible attacking typing that locks you in. Sure, it hurts these Water/Grounds, but is it really worth it?
 
Hmmm. I use choice Specs Persian. Very Useful.
Persian (M) @ Choice Specs
Ability: Limber
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Petal Dance
- Shadow Ball
- Thunderbolt

or

Persian Life Orb
Trait: Technician
EVs: 40 HP / 216 Spd / 252 SAtk
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Petal Dance
- Shadow Ball
- Nasty PLot
- Swift

Thunderbolt could fit in there somewhere. Maybe over swift and Limber would replace technician.

I'd probably use :

Persian @ Life Orb
Technician
Timid
EVs: 40 Hp, 252 Atk, 212 Sped
- Nasty Plot
- Water Pulse
- Swift
- Hp : Fighting (59/60)
 
Petal Dance seems very eh to me, a horrible attacking typing that locks you in. Sure, it hurts these Water/Grounds, but is it really worth it?

Actually I think so. It saved me quite a few times and nobody expects it, but it all depends on your team aswell. Fits mine. I really like Limber for t-wave switch ins since I need my Gyarados and Brellom for sweeping ;P
 
I wouldn't call Persian to be the best of Choice Spec users of all time. In fact, Nasty Plot completely outclasses it, despite taking a turn to set it up. I'm also going to take a stab at this and say that Petal Dance was a NYPC move, right? It's still not a great attack to lock yourself into, because it's got two drawbacks: it's not STAB and his Special Attack is really "meh" without Nasty Plot to back it up.

However, I was thinking of a mixed attacker. Something like Hidden Power Fighting / Return / Bite / Filler with a Life Orb. Probably would just slap U-Turn in the last slot, and the only purpose that I would use it for anyways is to hit Aggron / Probopass / Bastidon with Hidden Power. Obviously Technician would be the ability and the EVs would see fit to outspeed Base 110s max.
 
Perhaps: A Screech set.

name: Puurrrfection
move 1: Hypnosis/Fake-out
move 2: Screech
move 3: Bite
move 4: Last Resort
item: Life orb/Silk Scarf
ability: Technician
nature: Jolly
evs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe

Sleep, Screech on the switch (which can cause a second switch), use Bite so the next turn you have Last Resort, and sweep.
 
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