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NOC D6 Mafia Game Thread [Day 4; Deadline June 1 at 6 PM EST]

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What also made me pause was this XnadrojX intervention who I think is scum, he seems to be fine with either wagon

I have no opinion on Whydon/vooper

Hannahh has been flip-flopping again which isn't good

Dusk, apricity took your spot in my town pool, I feel that I was mesmerised by you early in the game and I left it at that, without looking at you again, but then you're a championship player, of course you would look townie regardless of alignment
 
Oh, it's no gimmick, I prefer to be sorted today. I have 0 CONFIDENCE in anyone flipping scum, you guys are that good

vote Hannahh because she was fine with me earlier today but she came back and was ready to vote me, too much flip-flopping and fluffy stuff
 
CaffeineBoost Can you answer Dusk's question and build a functioning scumteam / find a sensible partner for clarinet
Before Sam claimed BG I had the idea that Sam might be a partner but given that he's the uncc'd BG that idea is useless. Other than that, hadn't really considered anyone to be Clarinet's partner. Having just looked back at the partner I currently have in mind is Nadroj. His vote shift seems odd. He seemed absolutely certain that Clarinet was the lynch but suddenly switched to me after I made those long posts. I think he may have been bussing Clarinet but then realised Clarinet could survive another day? There aren't really any other interactions with Clarinet I can find that implicate somebody as scum so one of Whydon/Viper would also make sense (this is rather weak reasoning though since just because they've not done anything to show they're not Clarinet's partner doesn't mean they must be Clarinet's partner).
Having seen how Dusk is pressuring Clarinet, I don't think Dusk can be Clarinet's partner. This would change my PoE to Clarinet, Nadroj, Whydon, Vooper with the latter half open to change.
 
Is flip flopping a scum tell for you Clarinet ?

Could never settle on a firm opinion on Hannahh because of her flufftastic style, others people are certain she's town, I never felt that myself. She's a scum candidate for me regardless of what XnadrojX or anyone else says.
Basically she gave me this impression that anyone could be anything. You can say I've also hedged tons of times, however I really had a strong towncore up to a certain point
 
Hi this post might be out of order, a lot of the quotes I'm trying to group by topic so bear with me.

Vote CaffeineBoost

Can't say I like 2 wallposts of fake content.

Clarinet the point isn't that "you're not a PR, it doesn't matter if you die". The point is that your goal isn't staying alive to begin with, and confusing people trying to do so hampers Town.

Anyways, I'd lynch Clarinet here if Caffeine didn't make those 2 godawful posts, even no content is better than that filler stuff.

Why is no posting better than half filler content? I feel like at least some was helpful. Posting ANYTHING can give us stuff to go off of and association reads but posting nothing won't help at all.

What also made me pause was this XnadrojX intervention who I think is scum, he seems to be fine with either wagon

I have no opinion on Whydon/vooper

Hannahh has been flip-flopping again which isn't good

Dusk, apricity took your spot in my town pool, I feel that I was mesmerised by you early in the game and I left it at that, without looking at you again, but then you're a championship player, of course you would look townie regardless of alignment

BAH I"M THE ONE FLIPFLOPPING?

This goes along with the following quote:

Oh, it's no gimmick, I prefer to be sorted today. I have 0 CONFIDENCE in anyone flipping scum, you guys are that good

vote Hannahh because she was fine with me earlier today but she came back and was ready to vote me, too much flip-flopping and fluffy stuff

I wasn't fine with you. I was on the fence. Multiple things happened between then and now that I've decided not to write you off as town. I don't want to come to a conclusion too early, I wanted to look at all of your posts and think about it before I actually decided. You have multiple personalities in game, and I have to take that into account because holy fk you change how you act so often and I can't tell if it's you panicking as scum or you changing personalities.

Could never settle on a firm opinion on Hannahh because of her flufftastic style, others people are certain she's town, I never felt that myself. She's a scum candidate for me regardless of what XnadrojX or anyone else says.
Basically she gave me this impression that anyone could be anything. You can say I've also hedged tons of times, however I really had a strong towncore up to a certain point

I think I did give off the impression that you / caffe could be anything. But I also do have townreads, they're just not you. I think Hal is basically lock town here to me, he's basically bleeding town in each post. Additionally, Athena is one of my strong townreads. You make it sound like I don't have any clue what any person's alignment could be.

Now onto his flipfloppiness: (Sorry I just rearranged this whole post so my train of thought might be a bit out of order now.)

yeah so for both Hannahh and Caffeine, I make no apology of the fact that I consider myself important...as a VT! yes, what a shocker that I believe all town should be considered significant, people only concentrate on PRs and are careless with mislynches early saying 'it's just a VT' well, I think that's dumb.

I'm just as important as any member of town.

I totally agree, all members of town are important. The only thing I meant was that, in the less then optimal world of a VT being lynched, isn't it always better to not make yourself scummier to live another day, which then makes you the lynch target the next day, when there's one less (or no?) mislynches left? This isn't even just this game it's everygame. If you're going to be mislynched (and softing a PR and then denying it is almost always going to end in a mislynch unless you have a good reason) wouldn't it always be more beneficial earlier rather than later?


unvote Caffe

I'm not confident anymore, I'm directionless, I'm scared that Caffe is also town and rats will come after my ass tomorrow

Do what thou will, Samo. I know you prefer a Caffe flip, but I'll suggest you deal with me today and sort him later


So at this point I'm thinking two things. Either, you're scum trying to come across as townie in this post for sacrificing yourself, or you are genuinely confused and scared town. I don't think this is you as a confused scared town because nothing you've said up to this day has give any tone other than arrogant (sorry, nothing personal) but you seem very educated and strong here so this doubt coming across now is completely against your serious / memey other posts. Trying to decide which makes more sense at the moment. If you're scum, and you're already being wagoned, doing this might be more beneficial except if Caffeine is your scum partner. In a ClarxCaffe world, you know one of you is dying. Of course you need to wagon onto the other, but I know that I mentioned previously that a Clar flip implies Caffe's alignment and not vice versa. If by saying this you want to not be lynched, caffe is being lynched, which I mentioned has less implication as to your alignment.


Ok I surely can't be the only person here who thinks caff/clarinet could be scum vs scum. I was about to write up a post on their interactions but that unvote is god awful. Feels like recently they have both been happy enough to die because they think their partner will be cleared.

Uhh this just goes along with the above. I almost think that this could be a third in a Caffe/Clar world due to this line specifically.

I'll tell you guys 2 points why I think Caffe might be town:

- was last on blued wagon when he had 2 other town wagons to pile on, being last on a wagon that flips when there was no scum counterwagon shows too much risk

- he accurately predicted too many people as town, I expect a scum to be more hedgy and fluffy since he wants a bigger pool of lynches

Ok and now he's trying to get Caffe to not be lynched???


The gambit to try not get lynched is nai as I said before. However this feels like he is still trying to save caff with his flip to me, there is no other reason to allow yourself get lynched. Town never wants to by mislynched there is not benefit.

Oh this is exactly what I said.

Wait he asked to be lynched.

He literally spent all of D1 fake softing or trying to not be lynched and talking about how much he thinks he needs to live? What happened to your self preservation?

vote Caffeine

hope he's scum otherwise I'm screwed

And now, once again, back to voting Caffeine and saving himself (followed from the two previous mentions of this.
 
''ClarxCaffe world'' this sounds cool even though it's not real

Nah, don't worry Hannahh, I'll self-press to save myself.

Samo gave me hope, I wanna continue to fight as often as necessary
 
You guys can still discuss other players, I feel like me and Caffe were this game's main topics after Mew's demise. I'm not scum, not sure about Caffee, but there's 2 more even with Caffe's flip.

Caffe admitted that he basically can't link me with anyone, yet he's still serious about voting me. I wanted to think he's stubborn town, but after noticing his one-dimensional vision, I'm more leaning towards ruthless scum.

Flashback to D1 when Caffe picked me at random and kept his vote for a while. I think it might have been a plan since then to use me as target in case they wouldn't get more difficult wagons
 
Now that I have all of that out of the way, I want to bring up the Caffe/Clarinet bit again but I don't want it to get lost.

In just the last few pages:
I expect Hannahh to make her word count and vote Caffe, however I'm so puzzled by Caffe's behavior? He put himself in a corner where he actually needs to unvote me since I'm his townlean? It would be mega scummy for him to keep voting me after his last tier last so I'm not sure what got into him to say I'm townlean, I expected him as mafia to come with confidence and push for me but he didn't

this is all too weird
if this weren't our last mislynch, I wouldn't care that much

after my flip, you have to take out 3 consecutive scum one after another and that's an impossible task, I've never seen a game where that happens
Ok, I can give you a sexy partner if Caffeine is scum

XnadrojX
yeah so for both Hannahh and Caffeine, I make no apology of the fact that I consider myself important...as a VT! yes, what a shocker that I believe all town should be considered significant, people only concentrate on PRs and are careless with mislynches early saying 'it's just a VT' well, I think that's dumb.

I'm just as important as any member of town.
Wants to save self / Vote Caffe

So far this makes perfect sense.

No, I'm not, lynch me now and let me be

Who is this and where did Clarinet go?

Wants to lynch himself to implicate Caff scum

unvote Caffe

I'm not confident anymore, I'm directionless, I'm scared that Caffe is also town and rats will come after my ass tomorrow

Do what thou will, Samo. I know you prefer a Caffe flip, but I'll suggest you deal with me today and sort him later

Okay he doesn't want to lynch Caffe anymore

I'll tell you guys 2 points why I think Caffe might be town:

- was last on blued wagon when he had 2 other town wagons to pile on, being last on a wagon that flips when there was no scum counterwagon shows too much risk

- he accurately predicted too many people as town, I expect a scum to be more hedgy and fluffy since he wants a bigger pool of lynches

Suddenly, Caff is town.

vote Caffeine

hope he's scum otherwise I'm screwed

No nevermind he's scum again

I think this narrative explains why I'm changing my stance on you.

Originally, you wanted to lynch Caff and you were convinced (i think) that he was scum. This made sense, but then you waffled on if he's scum or not and lost all of your self-preservation somewhere in the middle. This super supports a ClarxCaff world, especially because if you and your scumpartner were being lynched without clearing the other, you'd most definitely panic and given your past, you blow up / show emotions easily. Of the two of you, you're still the scummier one and honestly I think both of you are scum now given your most recent posts.

Third: Probably Dusk for trying to distance from both

Not sure how close to hammer we are so I'm not going to vote yet but I'm all for a Clarinet lynch today. Haven't heard enough from Caff to know if Clarinet is scum dragging caff down or if Caff is also scum but I'm leaning the latter.

Would scum!Clarinet ever consider unlynching town!Caff? Maybe if he wants to try to incriminate and force the wifom? scum!ClarxCaff would try to make them seem as TvS as possible and it would incriminate scum!Clarinet more to jump around so much. Especially after calling me out for being indecisive.
 
What you've failed to realize is the fact that Caffe had a pop-in to say that he's fine being lynched and that I should be dealt with tomorrow. Then I waffled cause I wasn't sure my vote is actually on scum, I thought 'what if'

I'm all aware now that there's no escape. Scum will use and abuse me for thinking things through and looking at Caffe from multiple angles

I wanna continue living, lynch me tomorrow if you see it fit, I wanna bask in this glory of having lynched a scum since there's a huge chance with Caffe
 
What you've failed to realize is the fact that Caffe had a pop-in to say that he's fine being lynched and that I should be dealt with tomorrow. Then I waffled cause I wasn't sure my vote is actually on scum, I thought 'what if'

I'm all aware now that there's no escape. Scum will use and abuse me for thinking things through and looking at Caffe from multiple angles

I wanna continue living, lynch me tomorrow if you see it fit, I wanna bask in this glory of having lynched a scum since there's a huge chance with Caffe

Ok this first bit is fair, I didn't take that completely into account. But then you did the same thing he did in asking to be lynched to lynch the other?

Of course you should think things through and look from multiple angles. That's the exact reason I stepped back to look into ClarxCaff; I wanted to look from a viewpoint that I had previously doubted.
 
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