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[SET]

Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

[SET COMMENTS]

Talonflame is an interesting user of Defog, owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn via Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp. As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire-type STAB moves and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control hazard setting and removal in the long term. Overheat has good odds to 2HKO even bulky Gholdengo, with non-Choice Scarf sets getting outsped and threatened with a KO from Talonflame the next turn; meanwhile, Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOes offensive Gholdengo. Will-O-Wisp lets Talonflame reliably enfeeble foes with burn, especially physical attackers like Kingambit, Dragonite, Zamazenta, Great Tusk, and Iron Treads. 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed Jolly base 85 Speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Hisuian Samurott. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral against U-turn, and it improves Talonflame's matchup against Hisuian Samurott.

Talonflame finds its flock among stall teams as a Defogger able to threaten Gholdengo and spread burn. Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads as being burned while attempting to keep entry hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, Gliscor finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Galarian Slowking that would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame; it also pressures Garganacl with Knock Off or Earthquake. Toxapex is an appreciated colleague that holds off Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, Water-types like Primarina and Ogerpon-W, and Clefable with Knock Off. It also helps switch around Garganacl's Salt Cure. Amoonguss is another teammate that checks the aforementioned Water-types, being an especially consistent check to the threatening Ogerpon-W. Dondozo is a stall mainstay that answers physical attackers like Swords Dance Gliscor, Ceruledge, and Tera Fire Pokemon like Dragonite and Kingambit that can ignore Talonflame's burn. Another stall staple, Blissey, answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Kyurem, Hatterene, Primarina, Calm Mind Clefable, and Walking Wake. Talonflame works well with a secondary Defogger, such as Corviknight or Galarian Weezing. Corviknight is less afraid of taking Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads, with Talonflame improving the team's matchup against Gholdengo, while Galarian Weezing is a Defogger similarly effective against Gholdengo that appreciates Talonflame holding off Pokemon like Kingambit and Dragonite. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility.


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[SET]
Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

[SET COMMENTS]

Though its glory days might be far behind it, the modern Talonflame has found renewed fulfillment in its role as an interesting user of Defog on stall teams, owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn. As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire STAB and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control the hazard game in the long term. ! Talonflame's consistency in punishing the hazard-setting Great Tusk and Iron Treads means, in certain matchups, it can even stomach taking a Knock Off from them while continuing to keep hazards off the field. Furthermore, Talonflame's typing gives it many opportunities to burn physical attackers that don't happen to be Tera Fire or holding a Lum Berry, including Dragonite; Zamazenta, if Talonflame can avoid taking a Stone Edge to the beak; Swords Dance and mixed Iron Valiant; Kingambit; and Rillaboom; while also letting it check other Pokemon like Enamorus and special Iron Valiant in an emergency. Okay this first part is weird. While briefly talking about the mons attributes is fine, its taking up more then half the paragraph... I would cut everything after "Corviknight to control the hazard game in the long term", (designated by the ! I put in the paragraph, delete everything after that), its just fluff that doesn't actually have much relevance for the first paragraph. I've seperated the paragraphs but you would then put them back together. If you can't talk much about Talon, thats fine, its a very cookie cutter Pokemon.

Overheat comfortably 2HKOs even bulky Gholdengo, non-scarfed variants Talonflame will outspeed and threaten to KO the next turn, while Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOs offensive Gholdengo variants. 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed positive base 85 speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Samurott-H. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral against its potential U-Turn, and also improves its matchup into Samurott-H. Main thing missing here is talking about Wisp. Being able to reliably burn opponents is good enough to talk about here.

Would put the stall teams part, just mention briefly it mainly fits on stall teams who appreciate the Ghold insurance/checking things like Tusk.
Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads than being burned while attempting to keep hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, it finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Slowking-G which would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame. Toxapex is another appreciated colleague that holds off burn-immune Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, and burn-agnostic special attackers like Primarina and Darkrai. Dondozo is another stall mainstay that appreciates Talonflame threatening to burn or force physical attackers like Kingambit and Dragonite to Tera Fire, making Dondozo's job of answering them much easier. Other stall mainstay Blissey answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Iron Moth, Hatterene, Primarina, and Walking Wake. Fellow bird Corviknight is a defogger less afeared of Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads than Talonflame is; the two can pull great double Defog duty with Talonflame shoring up the Gholdengo matchup. Weezing-G is another defogger notable for its ability to Defog in front of Gholdengo, making it a desirable partner for teams craving extremely consistent hazard removal. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility. I think combine the Corv/Galarain Weezing points together into "other hazard removers" and then do a quick blurb about what Talon helps for both (Talon helps into Ghold for Corv, while it helps into Gambit/Dnite for Weezing).

Main thing I think is missing is Water checks (primarily Waterpon answers). Could talk about Pex/Amoong (would then do instead of just talking about Pex though).

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Would like to see this again before moving onto QC2
 
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[SET]
Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

[SET COMMENTS]

Though its glory days might be far behind it, the modern Talonflame has found renewed fulfillment in its role as an interesting user of Defog on stall teams, owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn. As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire STAB and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control the hazard game in the long term. ! Talonflame's consistency in punishing the hazard-setting Great Tusk and Iron Treads means, in certain matchups, it can even stomach taking a Knock Off from them while continuing to keep hazards off the field. Furthermore, Talonflame's typing gives it many opportunities to burn physical attackers that don't happen to be Tera Fire or holding a Lum Berry, including Dragonite; Zamazenta, if Talonflame can avoid taking a Stone Edge to the beak; Swords Dance and mixed Iron Valiant; Kingambit; and Rillaboom; while also letting it check other Pokemon like Enamorus and special Iron Valiant in an emergency. Okay this first part is weird. While briefly talking about the mons attributes is fine, its taking up more then half the paragraph... I would cut everything after "Corviknight to control the hazard game in the long term", (designated by the ! I put in the paragraph, delete everything after that), its just fluff that doesn't actually have much relevance for the first paragraph. I've seperated the paragraphs but you would then put them back together. If you can't talk much about Talon, thats fine, its a very cookie cutter Pokemon.

Overheat comfortably 2HKOs even bulky Gholdengo, non-scarfed variants Talonflame will outspeed and threaten to KO the next turn, while Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOs offensive Gholdengo variants. 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed positive base 85 speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Samurott-H. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral against its potential U-Turn, and also improves its matchup into Samurott-H. Main thing missing here is talking about Wisp. Being able to reliably burn opponents is good enough to talk about here.

Would put the stall teams part, just mention briefly it mainly fits on stall teams who appreciate the Ghold insurance/checking things like Tusk.
Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads than being burned while attempting to keep hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, it finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Slowking-G which would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame. Toxapex is another appreciated colleague that holds off burn-immune Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, and burn-agnostic special attackers like Primarina and Darkrai. Dondozo is another stall mainstay that appreciates Talonflame threatening to burn or force physical attackers like Kingambit and Dragonite to Tera Fire, making Dondozo's job of answering them much easier. Other stall mainstay Blissey answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Iron Moth, Hatterene, Primarina, and Walking Wake. Fellow bird Corviknight is a defogger less afeared of Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads than Talonflame is; the two can pull great double Defog duty with Talonflame shoring up the Gholdengo matchup. Weezing-G is another defogger notable for its ability to Defog in front of Gholdengo, making it a desirable partner for teams craving extremely consistent hazard removal. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility. I think combine the Corv/Galarain Weezing points together into "other hazard removers" and then do a quick blurb about what Talon helps for both (Talon helps into Ghold for Corv, while it helps into Gambit/Dnite for Weezing).

Main thing I think is missing is Water checks (primarily Waterpon answers). Could talk about Pex/Amoong (would then do instead of just talking about Pex though).

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Would like to see this again before moving onto QC2
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[SET]

Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

[SET COMMENTS]

Though its glory days might be far behind it, the modern Talonflame has found renewed fulfillment in its role as an interesting user of Defog, owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn. I wonder if it would be good to outright mention Flame Body either here or in the next part, since it's part of what lets it deter Tusk from spinning for example. I suppose you allude to this in the second paragraph so feel free to disregard As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire STAB and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control the hazard game in the long term. Overheat comfortably 2HKOs even bulky Seems like this is a roll. Relaxing the wording would be good Gholdengo, non-scarfed variants Talonflame will outspeed and threaten to KO the next turn, while Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOs offensive Gholdengo variants. Will-O-Wisp lets Talonflame reliably enfeeble foes with burn, especially physical attackers like Kingambit, Dragonite, Great Tusk, and Iron Treads. Could mention another Pokemon, sicne you mentioned them earlier in the paragraph. Maybe Zamazenta 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed positive base 85 speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Samurott-H. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral against its potential U-Turn, and also improves its matchup into Samurott-H.

Talonflame finds its flock among stall teams as a defogger able to threaten Gholdengo and spread burn. Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads than being burned while attempting to keep hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, it finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Slowking-G which would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame. Gliscor could be a good place to mention a Pokemon that can help navigate the matchup vs Garganacl through switching in on Salt Cure and threatening a Knock Off or Earthquake. Toxapex is an appreciated colleague which holds off burn-immune Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, and Water-types like Primarina and Ogerpon-W. Amoonguss is another teammate that checks the aforementioned Water-types, being an especially consistent check to the threatening Ogerpon-W. Dondozo is a stall mainstay that appreciates Talonflame threatening to burn or force physical attackers like Kingambit and Dragonite to Tera Fire, making Dondozo's job of answering them much easier. Perhaps you could restructure this to make a point about how Dondozo handles physical attackers that usually don't mind Talonflame, namely Swords Dance Gliscor and the Tera Fire Pokemon you mention. Other stall mainstay Blissey answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Iron Moth, Hatterene, Primarina, and Walking Wake. Could try other Pokemon that you haven't mentioned earlier; Choice Specs Kyurem over Iron Moth is one I would really consider. Glimmora could be another option Talonflame works well with a secondary defogger, such as Corviknight or Weezing-G. Galarian Weezing. Just as a reminder Corviknight is less afeared of eating a Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads with Talonflame improving the team's matchup into Gholdengo, while Weezing-G is a defogger similarly effective into Gholdengo that appreciates Talonflame holding off Pokemon like Kingambit and Dragonite. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility. Clefable is another Pokemon you can struggle with, both vs Calm Mind and Knock Off sets, so mentioning which of these partners does well against it would be nice. Somewhere around Toxapex or Blissey perhaps. (Nasty Plot) Pecharunt and Zapdos are another pair of Pokemon you do not want to see, but I get that how you deal with them might not be the most straightforward to explain here, so if you can't find room to do so, that is okay.

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[SET]

Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost

[SET COMMENTS]

Though Although (Grammar guides recommend "although" in more formal contexts) its glory days might may be far behind it, the modern Talonflame has found renewed fulfillment in its role as an interesting Defog user of Defog (Mostly fluff. The only relevant piece of info is that it's an interesting Defog user), owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn via Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp. As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire Fire-type STAB moves and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control the hazard game (This line will need clarity, since "hazard game" isn't one of our established terms) in the long term. Overheat has good odds to 2HKOs can 2HKO even bulky Gholdengo, and non-scarfed Talonflame variants Talonflame will outspeed and threaten to KO it the next turn (RC). (AP) while Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOs 2HKOes offensive Gholdengo variants. Will-O-Wisp lets Talonflame reliably enfeeble foes with burn, especially physical attackers like Kingambit, Dragonite, Zamazenta, Great Tusk, and Iron Treads. 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed positive base 85 Speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Hisuian Samurott. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral against its potential U-Turn (RC) and also improves its matchup into against Hisuian Samurott.

Talonflame finds its flock (heh, nice) among stall teams as a Defogger able to threaten Gholdengo and spread burn. Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads than as being burned while attempting to keep hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, it Gliscor finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Galarian Slowking which that would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame (RC) while also pressuring Garganacl with Knock Off or Earthquake. Toxapex is an appreciated colleague which holds off burn-immune (Repetitive, but if you really want to keep it, you could say "the burn-immune," or append ", which are immune to burn," after "Fire-types") Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, Water-types like Primarina and Ogerpon-W, and Clefable with Knock Off, and which also helps switch around Garganacl's Salt Cure. Amoonguss is another teammate that checks the aforementioned Water-types, being an (AS) especially consistent check to the threatening Ogerpon-W. Dondozo is a stall mainstay that that answers physical attackers like Swords Dance Gliscor, Ceruledge, and Tera Fire Pokemon like Dragonite and Kingambit, (AC) which can ignore Talonflame's burn. Other Another stall mainstay, (AC) Blissey, (AC) answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Kyurem, Hatterene, Primarina, Calm Mind Clefable, and Walking Wake. Talonflame works well with a secondary Defogger, such as Corviknight or Galarian Weezing. Corviknight is less afeared afraid of eating taking a Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads with Talonflame improving the team's matchup into against Gholdengo, while Galarian Weezing is a Defogger similarly effective into against Gholdengo that appreciates Talonflame holding off Pokemon like Kingambit and Dragonite. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility.

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GP Team done credit both of us pls!
I'd like to take another look at this before stamping
[SET]
Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost


[SET COMMENTS]
Though its glory days might be far behind it, the modern Talonflame has found renewed fulfillment (reword this in a way that removes the historical references) in its role as an interesting user of Defog, owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn via Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp. As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire Fire-type STAB moves and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control the hazard game (This line will need clarity, since "hazard game" isn't one of our established terms) in the long term. Overheat has good odds to 2HKOs 2HKO even bulky Gholdengo, non-scarfed variants and non-Choice Scarf Talonflame will outspeed and threaten to KO it the next turn; (ASC) meanwhile, while Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOs 2HKOes offensive Gholdengo variants. Will-O-Wisp lets Talonflame reliably enfeeble foes with burn, especially physical attackers like Kingambit, Dragonite, Zamazenta, Great Tusk, and Iron Treads. 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed positive positive-nature (if the only mons that matter for this happen to be physical attackers, could be worth specifying Jolly) base 85 Speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Hisuian Samurott. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral againstits potential U-turn, and also it improves its Talonflame's matchup into against Hisuian Samurott.

Talonflame finds its flock among stall teams as a Defogger able to threaten Gholdengo and spread burn. Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads than as being burned while attempting to keep entry hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, it Gliscor finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Galarian Slowking which that would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame (RC) while; (ASC) it also pressuring pressures Garganacl with Knock Off or Earthquake. Toxapex is an appreciated colleague which that holds off burn-immune (dex info) Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, Water-types like Primarina and Ogerpon-W, and Clefable with Knock Off (RC) and which . (AP) Italso helps switch around Garganacl's Salt Cure. Amoonguss is another teammate that checks the aforementioned Water-types, being an especially consistent check to the threatening Ogerpon-W. Dondozo is a stall mainstay that that answers physical attackers like Swords Dance Gliscor, Ceruledge, and Tera Fire Pokemon like Dragonite and Kingambit which that can ignore Talonflame's burn. Other Another stall mainstay staple, (AC) Blissey, (AC) answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Kyurem, Hatterene, Primarina, Calm Mind Clefable, and Walking Wake. Talonflame works well with a secondary Defogger, such as Corviknight or Galarian Weezing. Corviknight is less afeared afraid of eating a taking Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads, (AC) with Talonflame improving the team's matchup into against Gholdengo, while Galarian Weezing is a Defogger similarly effective into against Gholdengo that appreciates Talonflame holding off Pokemon like Kingambit and Dragonite. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility.


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GP Team done credit both of us pls!
I'd like to take another look at this before stamping
[SET]
Talonflame @ Heavy-Duty Boots
Ability: Flame Body
EVs: 248 HP / 228 Def / 32 Spe
Tera Type: Dragon
Bold Nature
- Overheat / Flamethrower
- Defog
- Will-O-Wisp
- Roost


[SET COMMENTS]
Though its glory days might be far behind it, the modern Talonflame has found renewed fulfillment (reword this in a way that removes the historical references) in its role as an interesting user of Defog, owing to its typing and effectiveness at spreading burn via Flame Body and Will-O-Wisp. As a Defog user, Talonflame is able to dissuade Gholdengo from switching in with the threat of its Fire Fire-type STAB moves and can consistently threaten to burn common entry hazard setters and removers like Landorus-T, Ting-Lu, Great Tusk, Iron Treads, and Corviknight to control the hazard game (This line will need clarity, since "hazard game" isn't one of our established terms) in the long term. Overheat has good odds to 2HKOs 2HKO even bulky Gholdengo, non-scarfed variants and non-Choice Scarf Talonflame will outspeed and threaten to KO it the next turn; (ASC) meanwhile, while Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOs 2HKOes offensive Gholdengo variants. Will-O-Wisp lets Talonflame reliably enfeeble foes with burn, especially physical attackers like Kingambit, Dragonite, Zamazenta, Great Tusk, and Iron Treads. 32 Speed EVs let Talonflame outspeed positive positive-nature (if the only mons that matter for this happen to be physical attackers, could be worth specifying Jolly) base 85 Speed Pokemon like Rillaboom and Hisuian Samurott. Tera Dragon lets Talonflame stave off Ogerpon-W lacking Play Rough in a pinch while remaining neutral againstits potential U-turn, and also it improves its Talonflame's matchup into against Hisuian Samurott.

Talonflame finds its flock among stall teams as a Defogger able to threaten Gholdengo and spread burn. Few situations are quite as nightmarish for a Great Tusk or Iron Treads than as being burned while attempting to keep entry hazards from the tenacious Gliscor off the field; as such, it Gliscor finds Talonflame to be a useful associate. In return, Gliscor staves off Fire-types and certain special attackers such as Iron Moth, Raging Bolt, and Galarian Slowking which that would otherwise find free entry against Talonflame (RC) while; (ASC) it also pressuring pressures Garganacl with Knock Off or Earthquake. Toxapex is an appreciated colleague which that holds off burn-immune (dex info) Fire-types such as Ceruledge and Moltres, Water-types like Primarina and Ogerpon-W, and Clefable with Knock Off (RC) and which . (AP) Italso helps switch around Garganacl's Salt Cure. Amoonguss is another teammate that checks the aforementioned Water-types, being an especially consistent check to the threatening Ogerpon-W. Dondozo is a stall mainstay that that answers physical attackers like Swords Dance Gliscor, Ceruledge, and Tera Fire Pokemon like Dragonite and Kingambit which that can ignore Talonflame's burn. Other Another stall mainstay staple, (AC) Blissey, (AC) answers special attackers that scare Talonflame out, like Kyurem, Hatterene, Primarina, Calm Mind Clefable, and Walking Wake. Talonflame works well with a secondary Defogger, such as Corviknight or Galarian Weezing. Corviknight is less afeared afraid of eating a taking Knock Off from Great Tusk or Iron Treads, (AC) with Talonflame improving the team's matchup into against Gholdengo, while Galarian Weezing is a Defogger similarly effective into against Gholdengo that appreciates Talonflame holding off Pokemon like Kingambit and Dragonite. Stacking a second hazard remover along with Talonflame to threaten Gholdengo enables the rest of the team to drop Heavy-Duty Boots entirely in favor of items like Leftovers or Rocky Helmet to maximize their longevity and utility.


[SET CREDITS]
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ok done although ms. merriam-webster is telling me that "afeared" is a chiefly dialectal synonym of "afraid"

also that section about non-scarf gholdengo got a little murky and I needed to change that
 
ok done although ms. merriam-webster is telling me that "afeared" is a chiefly dialectal synonym of "afraid"
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yeah, "chiefly dialectical" essentially means that it's common in certain regional variants (or "dialects") of the language, but not used much outside of those regions. "afraid" is a lot more standard

also that section about non-scarf gholdengo got a little murky and I needed to change that
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oops looks like I misunderstood that part

Overheat has good odds to 2HKO even bulky Gholdengo (RSC), (AC) with non-Choice Scarf Gholdengo will get sets getting outsped and threatened with a KO from Talonflame the next turn; meanwhile, Flamethrower is a more accurate and higher PP alternative that still 2HKOes offensive Gholdengo.

GP 1/1 after this, good work!


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