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Deoxys - E : Broadening of the metagame?

Tyranitar is 2hko'd by Draco Meteor in sandstorm
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Careful Tar takes like 48% max from Timid Specs Latios Draco Meteor. Of course, no one uses Careful Tar except me, but I'm mentioning it anyways
You're quite wrong; He is, in fact, not an uber Gengar.
Gengar's infinitely superior typing and ability give him 6 resistances to work with, making him not hard at all to switch in for a top-OU sweeper. Darkrai gets 3, and to uncommon offensive types.
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Darkrai's typing is not necessarily inferior to Gengar's. Remember that Darkrai resists Pursuit, and Gengar dies from it.

We're going offtopic here, so let's go back to the Deoxys-S discussion
 
do we really need to discuss the mother fucking uberness of DARKRAI? for god sakes, if he was OU, no one would use breloom (a very potent OU) ever again.

period.

darkrai = uber.

mew, wobuffet, deo-s, deo-d, manaphy = questionable.

but fucking darkrai? come on.
 
noob3 said:
do we really need to discuss the mother fucking uberness of DARKRAI? for god sakes, if he was OU, no one would use breloom (a very potent OU) ever again.

period.

darkrai = uber.

mew, wobuffet, deo-s, deo-d, manaphy = questionable.

but fucking darkrai? come on.
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Completely agree.
 
Deoxys-speed as a offensive force is good but it does have it's counters in ou so it doesn't really worry me that much.

The defensive stall set is what worries me the most though.I can tell how hard it would be to beat it especially with the fastest taunt in the game.



On latias.I really wish it were allowed in ou.It would be the greatest mix-ape counter ever.
 
Um... as far as the Latis go, can we stop calling them Lati@s? Latios and Latias serve two very different functions, Latios being a sweeper and Latias being a tank/team support. I definitely think Latias should be allowed (since it's a special wall weaker than blissey), though Latios is definitely debatable, although I would like to use him.

As far as Deoxys-S goes, like any other sweeper it can be dangerous if its counters are eliminated (and it DOES have counters). And as far as overcentralizing the metagame goes, that's just a lot of paranoia. The fact most teams have at least two pokes with 266SpA (and we all know why) and the fact that an entire type of poke (special sweeper) is judged by its ability to beat one (Blissey) overcentralizes the metagame.

It's simply that people are used to having Blissey around and honestly Garchomp isn't thought of as uber because there isn't a wild gabite sprite on screen when you go to catch one. Scarfchomp outran everything in the game before the Deoxys-E cup and no one cried for a ban on it. people began to scarf Gengar and Azelf of all things just to counter it. The same could be done for Deoxys-E by changing the nature. And from the sounds of it, people have been swept by a lot more Garchomps and Ttars than Speed Deoxys.

And carrying a Bronzong or Jirachi on your team hardly overcentralizes anything anyway because they're both OU on their own merit and can do other things anyway. Seriously, it's not like its only counter is Bibarel...
 
It says on the Shoddy Battle website that if Deoxys S proves to be broken, it will be banned again. That's why I'm not worried. However, my opinion is that Deoxys S is nearly unstoppable, and all it needs to do is attack, retreat, sacfrifice a Pokemon if Necessary, and bring him back in to attack. He's just too good.
 
JesiahTEG said:
It says on the Shoddy Battle website that if Deoxys S proves to be broken, it will be banned again. That's why I'm not worried. However, my opinion is that Deoxys S is nearly unstoppable, and all it needs to do is attack, retreat, sacfrifice a Pokemon if Necessary, and bring him back in to attack. He's just too good.
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If you need to sacrifice a pokemon to get in a fragile sweeper with no resistance to any forms of residual damage, abyssmal HP and Life Orb Recoil, it can't be that broken.
 
The thing is, you don't - it's easy enough to predict when your opponent switches and bring it in, or while the opponent's Pokemon is healing, etc. That's how Infernape is usually handled.
 
There is no way I can see this as broken. It's great but not any more so than Garchomp and many others. Honestly if this proves too broken I'd consider making a thread regarding banning chomp.
Eh but thats not right now so I won't start babbling about it.

The game is going through a shift but it doesn't make it broken. The same thing would happen if Salamence, Garchomp or something was introduced to the game now.
 
Steelix is one of the best counters around, and can beat offensive Deoxys soundly one on one. I use a careful nature, with an Special Defense focus (his defense is already 436 without EVs).

Psycho Boost and shadow ball do crap damage, Ice beam is good for about 30-35%, superpower does a whooping 25-30% on the first attempt and allows you to OHKO him back with Earthquake thanks to the defense drop.

For defensive cosmic power deoxys, some have lacked taunt, and Steelix roars him away.

Um... as far as the Latis go, can we stop calling them Lati@s? Latios and Latias serve two very different functions, Latios being a sweeper and Latias being a tank/team support. I definitely think Latias should be allowed (since it's a special wall weaker than blissey), though Latios is definitely debatable, although I would like to use him
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Um, Latias has base 110 special atack I do believe, with incredible defenses and Calm Mind... She can wall and sweep at the same time
 
To add to that, Blissey does not have resistances to anything besides the immunity to Ghost.

Latias has 6 very useful resistances in Fire, Water, Electric, Grass and Fighting, while having an important immunity to Ground.

Heh, that and Latias at least has actual offense stats unlike Blissey crudbucket ones.

Not saying that Latias is any better than Blissey, but that she shouldn't really be compared to Blissey in the first place, since she's not a wall, but a tank.
 
Bologo said:
To add to that, Blissey does not have resistances to anything besides the immunity to Ghost.

Latias has 6 very useful resistances in Fire, Water, Electric, Grass and Fighting, while having an important immunity to Ground.

Heh, that and Latias at least has actual offense stats unlike Blissey crudbucket ones.

Not sayinh that Latias is any better than Blissey, but that she shouldn't really be compared to Blissey in the first place, since she's not a wall, but a tank.
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After looking at defense tiers for a very long time... I've found something interesting with Blissey. You know defense tiers Bologo right? Watch this.

252 Sp. Def Latias has Sp. Def Tier of 121.58.
252 HP Blissey has 128.99. (Assuming Bold)

A "resistance" is a bonus of 7.27 on Def tiers. So... 121.58 + 7.27 == 128.85. This is less than standard Blissey. Meaning to compare Latias to Blissey, it is as if Blissey resists everything except fighting.

Mind you, this is 252/252 Bold Blissey I'm talking about, 0 EVs in Sp. Def. Latias can gain a bonus of 1 if it goes +Nature (129.85), making it slightly stronger than Blissey on resisted attacks, but we're still ignoring Latias's significant weaknesses (ice, dark and dragon).

There are very few pokemon that beat standard Blissey's Sp. Def Tier, even if you assume a resistance advantage as I did here with Latias.
 
Latias isn't better defensively statistically than Blissey (nobody can argue that Blissey isn't the best taker of special hits in the game really), it's more the fact that it has pretty good offensive ability to back its walling up, which Blissey and Cresselia (the 2 main special walls I see) don't have, CM Dragon Pulses hurt off 110 base Sp.Attack. It's purpose isn't an absolute wall (Blissey) it's role is far more suited to that of a tank (take hits while dealing out decent damage).
 
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