Deoxys-S (Multipurpose)

[complete legitimacy]

Deoxys-S

[SET]
name: Multipurpose
move 1: Stealth Rock
move 2: Psycho Boost
move 3: Ice Beam / Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fire
move 4: Thunderbolt / Hidden Power Fire / Superpower
item: Life Orb
nature: Timid / Naive
evs: 32 HP / 252 SpA / 224 Spe

Why this set deserves to be on-site:

• Performs multiple roles for the team: laying down Stealth Rock as a lead and revenge killing mid- to late-game
• Can get up Stealth Rock and have a STAB or coverage move to beat all common spinners and counters to the lead set
• Can sweep late-game with the right team support
• Is extremely anti-metagame at the time of writing

Additional Comments:

• Use whatever coverage moves your team needs to beat certain threats such as Ferrothorn, Gliscor, Tyranitar, etc.
• If using Hidden Power Fire take out 4 EVs from HP and put it into speed because Hidden Power Fire requires a 30 Speed IV
• If using Superpower take out 12 EVs from HP and put it into attack to ensure the KO on max HP Tyranitar and use a Naive nature
• Expert Belt can be used to ensure Deoxys stays around longer
• Can drop Psycho Boost for a coverage move; Expert Belt is then recommended
• Best used first in team preview to bluff a lead set
• If used as a lead, consider whether it is more important to get up Stealth Rock or eliminate counters for teammates

Teammates & Counters

• Pokemon that can manage to sweep once their counters are eliminated make good teammates
• Hard hitting Choiced Pokemon can open holes in defensive cores for Deoxys to sweep late-game
• Heatran takes little from all of Deoxys's move bar Superpower, but even that does only ~60%
• Blissey takes 65% at the most from Superpower; Chansey takes them even better

 

[AccidentalGreed]

At the end of the day, we're just slashing Stealth Rock over one of Deoxys-S's coverage moves. Therefore, it simply deserves AC mention or a slash/sentence explanation in the standard offensive set on-site.

 

[elDino]

Ok, although this seems like an interesting set, I myself can't really see it having much use.

First, if you're setting up Stealth Rock, why wouldn't you just go with the basic lead set? It's much more effective in getting SR up thanks to being able to hold a Focus Sash. Also, this set is going to have quite a bit of trouble sweeping, since when you use Psycho Boost, you're not going to be doing much with the coverage moves listed.

The main thing I have against this set, though, is that it's basically the same as the already onsite set, just with Stealth Rock over an attacking move. It just needs a slash or mention in the AC of the set; there's barely any difference otherwise...

NINJA'D

dammit AG...

 

[complete legitimacy]

In theory it's just running Stealth Rock over a coverage move, but in practice Deoxys can bluff a lead set while destroying spinners. The added bonus of being able to switch out and revenge kill later only adds to its effectiveness. After playtesting it is honestly extremely effective. I ask that you do some as well so you can get a better grasp on how the set works.

It might not do any good now, but I forgot to mention that the EVs are the minimum required to outspeed Scarf Landorus.

 

[elDino]

In theory it's just running Stealth Rock over a coverage move, but in practice Deoxys can bluff a lead set while destroying spinners. The added bonus of being able to switch out and revenge kill later only adds to its effectiveness. After playtesting it is honestly extremely effective. I ask that you do some as well so you can get a better grasp on how the set works.

It might not do any good now, but I forgot to mention that the EVs are the minimum required to outspeed Scarf Landorus.

Yes, it can be a good set, but it's not like it's completely different to the one that's already onsite. A simple extra few lines added to the analysis about using Stealth Rock would fix this.

 

[complete legitimacy]

Yes, it can be a good set, but it's not like it's completely different to the one that's already onsite. A simple extra few lines added to the analysis about using Stealth Rock would fix this.

Honestly, I feel it is superior to the LO set. It can get more kills because what it lacks in coverage it can make up for in unpredictability.

 

[GtM]

I tried something like this for my team, and I'd have to say it both supported the team with entry hazards and got key revenge kills. Here's the set I used.

Deoxys-S @ Life Orb
Trait: Pressure
EVs: 204 HP / 252 SAtk / 52 Spd
Timid Nature (+Spd, -Atk)
- Stealth Rock
- Spikes
- Ice Beam
- Psycho Boost

Outspeeds Scarf Rotom-W, take EVs out of HP if you want to be faster. It both has good attacking power (Psycho Boost kills Scarf Rotom-W after Stealth Rock 100% of the time) and the ability to set up either or both hazards depending on the situation. It's useless against Tyranitar, but the ability to outspeed +1 Dragonite and kill it with Ice Beam is great.

In other words, this set plays like the hazard set but also has the power to deal some serious damage if the opponent stays in on it. Not sure if this is any more viable?

 

[Chillarmy]

It can get more kills because what it lacks in coverage it can make up for in unpredictability.

Shouldn't that be a reason to prevent a set such as this from surfacing on-site?

Anyway, while this set is indeed effective, it lacks a purpose not already taken by the sets in Deoxys's analysis. The mixed attacker already abuses whatever surprise factor Deoxys can fathom, simply because it's attacking off of the bat instead supporting its team. That, alone, can give Deoxys multiple uses (and KO's) in a game. The support sets are actually pretty linear in terms of predictability, meaning that Deoxys can exchange a single slot (according to whichever Pokemon cause it and its team trouble) and dramatically change its effectiveness. What this set aims to accomplish is almost no different from the sets already up; there's just much more emphasis placed on coverage moves.

Keep it well in mind that Deoxys is always a toothpick without screens. Even if this set hits hard, it's likely going to be checked in the same manner that the LO and support sets are -- and I'm pretty sure that not even the ballsiest players are going to fuck around with Deoxys without first scoping out its set.

As AG already said, adding a few extra sentences to the LO set about how Stealth Rock can be used in conjunction with Deoxys's surprise factor is a lot better than creating a new set. Aside from maintaining utility later in the game (i.e, not being a suicide lead) -- that extra moveslot is very important btw -- this set just doesn't veer far enough away from what's already being used.

 

[Pocket]

GtM's set is the better multipurpose set, imo. It's not meant to clean late-game like the LO Sweeper on site, but it is meant to check annoying threats like Scarf Rotom-W and DDNite. Setting solely SR alone is not much of a supporter - LO Mamoswine does this. I think this set needs both SR + Spikes to set it apart from LO Deoxys-S, as AccidentalGreed has mentioned.

Personally I prefer to give it more Speed to check stuff like Scarf Darmanitan, DD Haxorus, and Scarf Landorus, but that may be taking out too much from its bulk, I dunno.

 

[complete legitimacy]

GtM's set is the better multipurpose set, imo. It's not meant to clean late-game like the LO Sweeper on site, but it is meant to check annoying threats like Scarf Rotom-W and DDNite. Setting solely SR alone is not much of a supporter - LO Mamoswine does this. I think this set needs both SR + Spikes to set it apart from LO Deoxys-S, as AccidentalGreed has mentioned.

Personally I prefer to give it more Speed to check stuff like Scarf Darmanitan, DD Haxorus, and Scarf Landorus, but that may be taking out too much from its bulk, I dunno.

If this set does get approved, which is honestly looking unlikely at this point, then I will add some other spreads in there. Like the coverage moves, the spread could be changed to outspeed whatever you need it to outspeed.

 

[Pocket]

Your spread is fine - I prefer GtM's 2 entry hazards + 2 attacks over your 1 entry hazard + 3 attacks :p

 

[complete legitimacy]

I think the extra bulk will be necessary if you choose to run 2 hazards. You will rarely find the time to set up both since you lack either screens or a Sash.

Although, that set probably would have been a better premise since it is more different than any of Deoxys's existing sets.

 

[New World Order]

Like I said in your RMT, I personally feel that Expert Belt is a much better item to bluff a support set. When your opponent sees Stealth Rock and no Life Orb after a KO, they will assume Taunt+SR+Spikes+Attack. So they send in a Pokemon that "walls" Deoxys-S, only to be exterminated.

 

[Bloo]

At the end of the day, we're just slashing Stealth Rock over one of Deoxys-S's coverage moves. Therefore, it simply deserves AC mention or a slash/sentence explanation in the standard offensive set on-site.

Yeah, that; this isn't really different. If you'd like to write up a sentence or two about the possibility of using Stealth Rock on the LO sweeper that's listed on-site, PM me it, I'll check it over, and add it.

Moving.