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Virizion said:
Most of the time, I get mad at D/C'ers because I wanted to save the battle. But recently, I've had no D/C's.. It's really weird, but alot of the people just forfeited.
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Exact opposite pattern for me. Earlier this week I could basically maintain my 1550, but I've hit a string of DCers, and I'm down to 1370 now. Record in the last 3 days has been 4 wins, 17 Disconnects (that I was winning) and 20 losses (almost all to higher rated).

Best so far though, just a few minutes ago, I played at 1854 (which places him around 10-14th globally in singles). I had him outplayed, no hax (unless glare successfully hitting is hax), and he dropped when he was down to his last mon.
 
i just finally got my rating back up from under the grave and now for the past few days everyone has been d/c on me. it's really irritating! i'll admit the only time i'll d/c is when i get matched up with the same person. it's not fun battling the same person twice...unless you're swept them the first time and if you're really after those points.
 
Virizion said:
Most of the time, I get mad at D/C'ers because I wanted to save the battle. But recently, I've had no D/C's.. It's really weird, but alot of the people just forfeited.
Well, I'm currently using Chansey/Conkeldurr/Minun/Venomoth/Amoonguss/Cinccino, so not many people D/C after a Minun/Amoonguss sweep. Sometimes I become an asshole and use my Minimize Chansey (which gets walled by Sub Drifblim, who proceeds to set up its own Minimizes).
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Explain please.
 
I feel a little sad for my (japanese) opponent I faced seconds ago.

I started with my Flying Gem Archeops and he/she with a Garchomp.
I thought: "Hope it's not scarfed".
Of course it was, but it missed with Stone Edge and I get a crit (that probably didn't matter, though) with Acrobat.
I kill the Chomp, win the probable speed tie against my opponents Gengar and kill it.
His/her last poke is a Milotic, who is far too bulky for Archeops, but I get a crit with Stone Edge after being brought down to red HP and the Milotic barely survives.
When Archeops faints I get the: "The connection with the other player has been lost".

I don't think I deserved to win anyway, hehe.


EDIT:
My next opponent (also japanese) uses Memento with his/her Latios and brings in a sub-minimize Starmie.
My Specs Yanmega breaks the sub and kill it despite Memento.
Obvious disconnect, but I deserved this win :<


EDIT 2:
The third one (japanese again) disconnect after 10 turns of Roost-stalling with his/her Scizor.

No more battling today -.-
 
monepok said:
I feel a little sad for my (japanese) opponent I faced seconds ago.

I started with my Flying Gem Archeops and he/she with a Garchomp.
I thought: "Hope it's not scarfed".
Of course it was, but it missed with Stone Edge and I get a crit (that probably didn't matter, though) with Acrobat.
I kill the Chomp, win the probable speed tie against my opponents Gengar and kill it.
His/her last poke is a Milotic, who is far too bulky for Archeops, but I get a crit with Stone Edge after being brought down to red HP and the Milotic barely survives.
When Archeops faints I get the: "The connection with the other player has been lost".

I don't think I deserved to win anyway, hehe.


EDIT:
My next opponent (also japanese) uses Memento with his/her Latios and brings in a sub-minimize Starmie.
My Specs Yanmega breaks the sub and kill it despite Memento.
Obvious disconnect, but I deserved this win :<


EDIT 2:
The third one (japanese again) disconnect after 10 turns of Roost-stalling with his/her Scizor.

No more battling today -.-
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That's never the case. You both played by the rules, and one of you won. It is never in the player's jurisdiction to decide whether or not you "deserve" your victory and D/C if he thinks you did not. You both decided to start a game, you both knew the rules, the possible outcomes, and built your teams accordingly. A clothing-seller doesn't freakin sabotage his rival seller's store because the latter happened to have a really, really good sale day for no reason. They live under the absolute law, and they accepted it when they went into business.

Maybe you got lucky. So what? I'm sure the opponent gets lucky once in a while too, but when he's about to win one of his lucky matches, does he forfeit and give his opponent the win because "he deserved it more than I did?" I'm willing to bet 'Hell no.' That's why we have rules: An absolute, unbiased "wall" that doesn't favor anybody or change its decision based on ephemeral circumstances.
 
Ashenlock said:
That's never the case. You both played by the rules, and one of you won. It is never in the player's jurisdiction to decide whether or not you "deserve" your victory and D/C if he thinks you did not.
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Well put. The PGL website ought to have this line plastered all over it in 42-point bold font.

I wish more random players had the maturity to realize this. Sadly, it's not the case...
 
Ashenlock said:
That's never the case. You both played by the rules, and one of you won. It is never in the player's jurisdiction to decide whether or not you "deserve" your victory and D/C if he thinks you did not. You both decided to start a game, you both knew the rules, the possible outcomes, and built your teams accordingly.
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I think that's something that everyone agrees with, however, once it happens to them they (myself included) feel cheated, and that the opponent didn't deserve the win; I don't agree nor do I disagree, but can you really say it's right that your opponent won because of winning a speed tie, paralyzed your poke, then got 5 para-hax in a row while proceeding to set up and sweep your team? It's not like you can plan out hax as you can rules and teams (albiet not matchups, but that really doesn't count.)
(Btw, I just came up with this; it's never really happened [to me anyways.])
 
I have had crap like that happen, and I have D/C'd once (and felt like D/Cing about 50 times). But what stops me is thinking, who is my opponent? He's not some guy with a trollface laughing insidiously behind his DS screen. He's some kid, probably in Elementary/High School, maybe with an entry-level job, who heard about Pokemon and got into it, and took his ingame team online, using easily obtained ingame items like Quick Claw. He doesn't know about speed tiers and just put QC on Salamence, and hey, odds are it's going to activate 3 times in a row eventually. I happened to be that person. He probably thought it was bullshit just as much as I did (Even if he didn't feel bad about it at all). If I spent 5 minutes casually talking to the guy I D/C'd on I'm sure I would walk away thinking, "This is just an average guy whose time I wasted. What did I 'get over him' by D/Cing?"

A few of my opponents who won are probably smug preteens who are convinced they won by their own skill and merit. But not most. Most are just kids who, like any logical organism, took the path of least resistance and went with whatever worked, regardless of what top-tier players considered respectable tactics.

And anyway, hax is part of Thunder Wave and various moves. It's just eventually going to screw someone over. I doubt anyone can remember the last time he got 3 attacks in a row successfully while paralyzed, even though doing so is less than a 50% chance. Of course we're going to be mad when the hurricane destroys our home and not our neighbor's, and say "This is only supposed to happen to other people." That's a perfectly understandable sentiment. It's just not a logical one; and when this happens in the much smaller (but equivalent) "hax" scenario, we should be be mature about it and not cave in to our immediate feelings by ragequitting.
 
Hands down the most annoying thing in the world. When they realize they can't kill my Crocune and I've Surfed all their dudes in my sleep...the ragequit comes with such ferocity.

If you're salty, bring a Vaporeon. Otherwise shut your mouth, except your lose, and throw all your pokémon in the trash.
 
Oni Spumoni said:
Hands down the most annoying thing in the world. When they realize they can't kill my Crocune and I've Scalded all their dudes in my sleep...the ragequit comes with such ferocity.

If you're salty, bring a Vaporeon. Otherwise shut your mouth, except your lose, and throw all your pokémon in the trash.
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Fixed
 
I had 10 wins taken from me today. Most mat u, and an itlian named fabio. Fabio fucking did it again.
EDIT. I beat a guy named Diego 6-0, but he still didn't D/C. Good Job!
 
Only one diconnect recently.

Swept a Dragon team with outrage, choice scarf Dragonite.

They rage quit just as Haxorus hits 0.


Team: Dragonite, Garchomp, Chandelure, and Excadrill got beat by Water Pledge and Grass plefge Serperior and Samurott. This guy was japaneese.
 
Well, I submitted a complaint to the pokemon company. To their credit, they responded in under 24 hours.

Players who disconnect do, in fact, have an immediate penalty implemented. Rest assured that these players are experiencing penalties that do remove them from basic game play.
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Sadly, they didn't elaborate. I'm almost tempted to get another copy of the game, and rapid fire DC on people to find out what this "penalty" is.
 
Redbeastmage said:
Well, I submitted a complaint to the pokemon company. To their credit, they responded in under 24 hours.



Sadly, they didn't elaborate. I'm almost tempted to get another copy of the game, and rapid fire DC on people to find out what this "penalty" is.
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I'm not sure whether to believe that or not, since they didn't explain what penalty the D/C'ers get.
 
Virizion said:
I'm not sure whether to believe that or not, since they didn't explain what penalty the D/C'ers get.
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It also says that there is a penalty of a potential rating drop for D/Cing in the manual you get with the game (I believe it's page 56, or 54).
 
Virizion said:
I'm not sure whether to believe that or not, since they didn't explain what penalty the D/C'ers get.
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This. In the site's ranking rules, all it says is that players "who have frequent disconnections may be disqualified from GBU rankings." http://en.pokemon-gl.com/about/gbu-ranking/

But how many constitutes "frequent" disconnects, and what exactly "may" means, renders this unassuring. I beat the world's #10 ranked player last week and he didn't D/C, but a lot of others regardless of ranking have D/C'd, so it's hard to say if they really do get disqualified or not.
 
Shroomisaur said:
This. In the site's ranking rules, all it says is that players "who have frequent disconnections may be disqualified from GBU rankings." http://en.pokemon-gl.com/about/gbu-ranking/

But how many constitutes "frequent" disconnects, and what exactly "may" means, renders this unassuring. I beat the world's #10 ranked player last week and he didn't D/C, but a lot of others regardless of ranking have D/C'd, so it's hard to say if they really do get disqualified or not.
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I'm 100% certain that they mean when you get "Error code: 52001 - Communication error. Disconnecting from WiFi.", not when the other person turns off their game.
 
Virizion said:
I'm 100% certain that they mean when you get "Error code: 52001 - Communication error. Disconnecting from WiFi.", not when the other person turns off their game.
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They just put that in there with the "technical difficulty" section so they're not actually pointing out the turn-off-disconnect tactic to any unaware players, but they're most certainly going to apply it to get rid of intentional D/Cers.
 
Virizion said:
I'm 100% certain that they mean when you get "Error code: 52001 - Communication error. Disconnecting from WiFi.", not when the other person turns off their game.
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Ha, well that just figures, doesn't it...? Punishing the unintentional D/Cers. Great. I've never even had that error before, it's always just as soon as their last Pokemon gets hit, "The connection with the other person has been lost."

XienZo said:
They just put that in there with the "technical difficulty" section so they're not actually pointing out the turn-off-disconnect tactic to any unaware players, but they're most certainly going to apply it to get rid of intentional D/Cers.
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Most certainly? I wish I had your faith, since I find so many of them... but I do hope they solve this problem.
 
Shroomisaur said:
Ha, well that just figures, doesn't it...? Punishing the unintentional D/Cers. Great. I've never even had that error before, it's always just as soon as their last Pokemon gets hit, "The connection with the other person has been lost."


Most certainly? I wish I had your faith, since I find so many of them... but I do hope they solve this problem.
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I know, they're different errors. The one I mentioned is when the DSi cannot obtain the IP address from the access point in slot 2, I used to get it very often (back around 2010, I now have much better Wi-Fi though)
 
Shroomisaur said:
Most certainly? I wish I had your faith, since I find so many of them... but I do hope they solve this problem.
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IMO, the "To provide reliable battle conditions for all"(euphemism for "To prevent unfair advantages") and "frequent"(again, likely meaning "intentional") are tip-offs that it's going to be used to get intentional D/Cers, rather than dealing with any technical problems.

Not to mention that disqualifying people who had genuinely bad connections wouldn't solve anything either on paper or in reality.

Edit: Of course, I bet that Nintendo expected maybe ~5% of people to be D/Cers, rather than ~95%, so I highly doubt things are going to go the way they initially planned.
 
All I get are D/C's! Like, today I played 20 battles. I won 1, lost 3, and had 16 people D/C right when I kill their last poke. It's getting super annoying. I should have credit for winning 17 games today but all it gave me credit for was 1. I don't mind losing, cause ill just win enough to make up for it. But when I can't win battles even though I win mostly ALL my battles it's stupid. I have 1733 points. And all I can do is lose them cause every time I win the opponent turns it off.
 
I stopped playing on the ladder. I'm 20-2 and I have a 1480 rating, having beat people with 1580's.

It's all about battle subway now!
 
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