Dissection

[gaudetjaja]

I didn't really mean to call you an idiot, but I just thought the extinction of worms argument was a bit silly...

And please don't take my words out of context, it's annoying.

 

[Blissey_ODonnell]

If you really think worms are going to be an extinct species because of this...

I can't give any arguments against idiocy! no offense

And humans won't go extinct if we go ahead and slaughter everyone in Mexico. Doesn't mean we should do it, though.

We should only do it if necessary. I believe that it is, in this case.

Even on a high school/junior high level? I don't think it's necessary for the future accountant to know about a worm's anatomy.

How can you logically explain that all life forms are equal despite intelligence?

Because they have a life, and all life forms should be regarded as equal unless you can provide a logical explanation as to how they aren't.

 

[Hustino]

Uhm, it's in the Bible, but you will probably not think that argument is valid so I'll come with another argument:
Because we can!
Again, ruling means that we should treat them responsibly, but we can still take from the animals what we need. Food, and in this case, use them as a study object if it is necessary and if there are no real alternatives.
So, instead of examining a gorilla, we could take an alternative by examining a rat or a worm.
I personally don't consider computer animations real alternatives but some people do.
Oh, and what's wrong with examining one worm. Just be honest, do you really care if I kill a worm? I bet you don't.
And if you disagree with me that much, I assume you are a vegetarian? If not, what would give us the right to kill animals? Or plants, for that matter.
Those who are at the top of the foodchain can do with the lower ones whatever they want. And there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's simply that way.

Holy shit.

Yeah, the Bible is the single poorest example of reasoning you could give. Also, 'because we can' is usually logic that most people don't use once they get beyond five years of age. It's absolutely terrible logic. Using that reasoning, the entire world would be nothing buy anarchy and chaos.

I'm not a vegetarian in the least. Meat is delicious. Despite this and realizing that meat is a healthy and integral part of a diet, I do not condoning ruling all other forms of life with an iron fist. Use what is necessary and respect life. You're distinctly lacking any sort of respect for the other organisms of this planet.

Using your logic, those at the top of the social hierarchy or those at the highest branches of the government should be allowed to do anything to those that, in one point of view, are below them.

You have given absolutely no reasoning as to why we should do anything we want to animals. Intelligence is also absolutely no basis as to determining the worth of a life due to there being no argument as to why intelligence should be the criteria.

Those who are at the top of the foodchain can do with the lower ones whatever they want. And there's nothing anyone can do about it. It's simply that way.

Reposting that to point out how that, by itself, is one of the most shallow and malicious statements I have ever read. There's absolutely no reasoning behind it and it's condoning anything simply because we're supposedly 'higher'. The food chain is simply one organism gaining necessary physical nourishment from another, which I don't see how that can be applied to using creatures however we'd like.

Also, don't state something like that as though it is a natural law. It isn't in the least.

 

[jrrrrrrr]

I like your reply. However, you seem, like many others, not to have read my post. I specifically said that it means that we shouldn't go kill them all, but that we should be allowed to take what we need, and that it should be in proportion.
When considering what we need, we should also look in the future. So we shouldn't only consider what we need now, but also what next generations will need.

I fail to see how I misread your post. You clearly stated that humans should be allowed to kill animals without regret or discrimination, just because we can. You then went on to say that we need to be responsible about our interactions with nature. You can't possibly have *both* of these views, since they completely contradict, which is what I was trying to get you to realize on your own. I'm glad we finally agree.

Now that that's over and I already expressed my views on dissection, I'm making like ryubahamut and shoryuken megaflaring outta hurr.

 

[Raikou]

LOL, dissecting worms? I dissected a cat in high school anatomy. Meow.

If that makes you squeamish, don't ask anyone in medical school about the cadavers.

 

[Goodbar]

Me a fetal pig lol, if I had taken AP bio I woulda looked at cadavers, but chem > bio imho. You really do learn from looking at other organisms, and I don't really feel bad that frogs and worms and shit are being killed and used for dissection because there's no shortage of them, its not like you're dissecting manatees, bald eagles, or crocodiles =/.

Oh and anyone who eats meat prolly shouldn't be arguing against animal dissection right now lol...

 

[Jenigmat]

Personally I don't like dissection in classes that aren't for people specifically interested in bio, but not for any moral reasons. Personally I believe that since the frog is bred for the sole purpose of being dissected, it'd be kinda insulting to it to not dissect it. If I elect someone president then that's what they're there for. If you later say that you don't want them to do any president-like things it's kinda insulting. Same principle.

I'm more against dissection in the more general bio classes because for schools that it matters it ends up being a huge resource waste. As informative as it is, for the needs of a non-bio student virtual dissection is, in my opinion, sufficient.

 

[Arzamo]

People in lower level bio courses don't have enough use for dissections. It would be a massive waste of resources because the students would not be able to identify or remember anything. Honestly, all they have to know is basically the functions of the organs, and that can be found in your everyday biology book.

In AP and college-level courses, however, dissection is completely justified. When my Bio class dissected cats, we got a packet with stuff to identify. The teacher was also very knowledgable and helped us greatly. Real organs are NOTHING like what you find in textbooks.

 

[trader]

Disecting bugs,fine.Disecting mammals though is something I would object to