anybody who wants crotchfruit or already has it is dumb in my book
the world is religious enough for there to be people willing to have 12 person families to keep the human race going
Judging trolling as an independent form of art, this was simply a pitch too flat to be good again.
DestinyUnknown said:
I think it's normal that students and young people in general think that way... I mean our society is telling us all the time that the only important thing is to have fun, and well, that's what everybody thinks about. Why would you even think about having kids if you don't even want a 'stable' relationship?
Society is as well trying to make us comfortable with the very idea of successfully raising children and maintaining a stable relationship.
VKCA said:
In my last year of highschool my calc teacher had something to say about this; that was both true in that particular class, and that I've found to be true in many facets, not just school. December/fall babies are very polarized between girls and boys. The girls are super hard workers (emily ng and faiha farez were the two best students in my year, both girls, both dec babies)(my sister just graduated from the second best uni in the country, she's a christmas baby) dec/fall boys are slacker as fuck, (read: me just barely got into the 'worst' engin program in the country ("worse" is a relative term, if you're not going to uoft or mcgill end they're (canadian universities) basically all the same), karl wang (my school's treasurer, super smart kid, such a loaft))
so yeah, fem dec babies are rad, boys suck
Coincidence.
kabbes said:
Do me one favour. Don't believe the well-wishers who insist that you will change your mind. My wife has never really wanted them, but always believed that she should want them, and that social pressure has caused her far more mental anguish than her actual wants.
There is nothing wrong with not wanting kids. There is nothing wrong with wanting kids either, but there is nothing wrong with being willing to leave it to those who do actually want to do it.
This ambiguity is not only the result of social pressure, it is a neccessary ordeal in the individual process of orientation. Most folks also appear to be that dependent on social harmony that this automatically becomes an influential factor as well. Confidence seems to be the metaphorical key here, but this is far more easily typed as practically executed, of course.
VKCA said:
What if my paranoia about fucking up my children fucks up my children?
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Shiruba said:
Hopefully not. Though my opinion could change in the future, I'm thinking no - for a few reasons.
1) Agreeing with the above, I don't think I can really handle the idea of [probably] screwing up someone's life or way of thinking. Though I've no particular religion to indoctrinate someone into, I'm sure that some other constrictive way of thinking could potentially leak onto them. I can tend to joke too much; teasing people and hurting them without even realizing it. I try not to associate with people that much for exactly this reason; I tend to mess up really badly, and then I make them feel bad - having some kid to constantly do that to would suck. I'd like to think that I try to be kind and generous, though.
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UllarWarlord said:
tbh I would like to have kids, but I fear I would be a terribad parent
I'd probly only be able to handle 1, but I wouldn't want that kid to be lonely
my crippling self-doubt (coupled with my loneliness) will prob keep me from having kids for a while
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Alan said:
I sort of want kids. I mean on one hand, kids are cool and do adorable things from time to time. On the other hand, they are poop machines for two years or more, cost shitloads of money, you have no guaruntee you'll do a good job raising them or they will turn out to be useful members of society, they pretty much pause your life for 18 years while you make sure this living breathing mass survives until it's ready to be left on its own. You have to buy food or an extra mouth, you have to buy clothes for an extra body. It's so much responsibility.
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Viscount Tolkowsky said:
Win! Win! Win! Win! Win! You gotta say it to believe it!
You sure foster noble intentions, my fellow users. And while introspective analysis appears to be a pretty useful device when exposed to this question, but starting from the point where you begin to worry about inherit traits, it begins to deviate from reality. Children are exposed to such a baffling multitude of corrosive showers of foreign influence during their upbringing that it seems to be practially impossible to bravely shield them from each and every teardrop of contaminating negativity, this very process would mark an instance of that. Behavioural patterns imminently influence people, as you might remember such situations as siding with those you called "friends" against the despotic regime of teacherdom while absolute isolation results in terrible illness, to mark an exaggerated example of this string of thought. Ultimately, it boils down to the ubiquitous requirement of "balance".
To cover the mentality of applied efficiency, i would like to ask to provide me with a quick summary of your expectations for the rest of your life?
In addition, there are legal options to dispose of children to relieve you from the pressure they cause. Being a societal doctrine does not necessarily equal impossibility.
KnightOfTheWind said:
I'm torn over this. First off, who knows if I'll ever get the chance to have a child? I've never had the incentive or the courage to ever get romantically involved with a woman. I have made several female friends over the course of this year, but there's no way it's going further than that. Remaining a virgin for the rest of my life is a scarily real possibility. I still have the rest of my life ahead of me and everything, but right now the most likely chance I have of becoming a father is if I become a sperm donor. I definitely don't want to become a father that way though. I kinda want to have an emotional attachment to the mother.
This is because you suppress your own chances at success, from my point of view, to be honest. Considering a romantic relationship a divine grace that you as a mortal would never be blessed with is keeping the percentage to a minimum. A romantic relationship is nothing more than the bestial act of reproduction cloaked in the gift wrapper of belief and civilization tied by the thread of mutual attraction. Even if you happen to be actually handicapped (which i am, for your information), there is still plenty of room for possibility. Comes without the comfort of RNGReporter however, you will have to show initiative to hit the seed you desire. It took more than a decade for me to come to that conclusion.
mattj said:
Yeah, this isn't like telling ODG what he should have done, because what's done is done, but coming from a divorced home I had made up my mind as a young man to do everything possible to make sure my kids had a stable mom and dad. There were several routes I could have gone, but beyond the usual "she's attractive to me" stuff, I have no fear whatsoever that my wife will ever leave me and she knows I will never leave her. Its not even a thought. That's a huge part of why I married her.
I would like to politely ask if you would mind sharing the reason for your confidence with us.
Even if i am well aware that i had to actively research social interaction in order to not expose you to my truly devastating clumsiness - what is the "big deal" about accepting monogamy as the definite pattern to follow again? Is there anying in U.S. law that absolutely necessarily forces it? If mentioned cheating really happens to be that common, why not adjust your marriage contract to certain sexual needs among other things to promote a more solid relationship?
Personally speaking, i have no intentions of raising children other than the occasional daydream fantasy set in my warped future. The attempt at societal indoctrination i was subject to teached me to abhor children in it's failure. There is a relevant grain of efficiency bias as well - but i assume total dominance isn't going to result in a mutually fulfilling relationship. Feel free to correct me with scientifical material on this.