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Tournament Doubles Derby III - Discussion Thread

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Some tiers that I would personally enjoy in DPL are listed here, in descending order of how much I would want them.
SV DOU
SV DOU
SV NDDOU
SV NDDOU
DPP
ADV
SV DUbers
SV DUU / BW DOU
SV DLC

If BW DOU is already in DPL, Ignore that in this post. I've only heard about SM and SS being included. I would personally want 6x10, but I feel like it won't be guaranteed. I don't think draft is a thing that really needs to be in derby due to the sheer amount of doubles drafts that are already present. In my opinion, it would fit more as a community event or something similar. Sorry Idyll.
This is a short post compared to others' (And I apologize for that), but everything I'd like to say has already been mentioned by other people.
 
Cutting DUU is a major disservice to the historic player base and those wanting to try something fun for a tour. It's no surprise that I would be one of DUU's major advocates, as I've played DUU in a team tour setting since I started competitive doubles. At the same time, however, I dabbled in playing games with DUbers mons in both Derby 1 and the DUbers friendly series. While the friendly series may not have as fleshed out of a meta as a RDU slot in Derby, it still does not represent something I would personally want to play competitively in a tour, especially over a DUU slot.

DUU in comparison, has always been a competitive slot no matter the tournament, metagame or generation surrounding it. It is a tier that has always rewarded innovation due to its shifting landscape while proving that these innovations are countered in time. People may point to Pokemon like Basculegion as potentially problematic for the tier, yet this is similar to other potentially overwhelming Pokemon in other tiers. It functions similarly to Archaludon in how its power grows over time and often in tandem with rain, but with potentially even more counterplay in tera normal, strong dark types and the necessitation of fainted teammates. It remains a balanced metagame to this day.

UU slots are always partially filled by players who want a break from other tiers. For players who played at least 1 game of DUU last Derby we had four that participated in the most recent SCL. These players went a combined 6-5, which demonstrates that it is not a tier that rewards blind clicking ability but a blend of metagame knowledge, building fundamentals and the aforementioned in-game piloting. Many players who were DUU starters in previous tours continue to have successes outside of the tier as well, such as xqiht, bagel and ESM - irrespective of their records within the tournaments themselves. DUU, as a result, is a tier that is easy to draft and plan around. Only two players who played 1 or more DUU games last Derby had a cost of 3k, proving that managers are either planning around their preferred starter before the draft or recognize the players as being valuable contributors regardless.

DUU has proven itself in previous tours as a slot that rewards proper draft planning and as a training ground for players to learn how to be contributing members of a team. Cutting it in favour of less developed metagames may have the unintended consequence of decreasing the accessibility of tournaments in the future. That would not be appropriate for Derby which is intentionally removing older, less accessible slots to begin with. The metagame remains relatively unchanged since last Derby as well, with new resources such as sample teams being updated in time for the tournament to start. I urge the hosts to keep the slot in this tournament since every year we see new exciting faces emerge from it.
 
Some oldgen DUUs might be fun like platinum god suggested, like SM DUU (only one I vaguely know exists lol)
2 nddou slots cool, not arguing either way about if feasible though
 
We decided things

Format
6 x 8

SV DOU
SV DOU
ND DOU
ND DOU
DUU
DLC
DPP
ADV

we stuck with the same tiers as last year due to that aspect being well received, as opposed to 8 teams, so we downscaled to 6 to compensate

Retains
We're doing them this year (i.e you can retain players drafted last year), but franchises are going to be locked from now on (for the most part), so the 6 teams that'll be available when signups go up are the 6 that you can pick from (and get the retains from), although we mayyy be more lenient with rebrands this time given we're going from 8 teams to 6.

Manager signups should be up (hopefully) shortly!
 
Quick clarification: I misunderstood what the norm is for retain formulas and said over discord it would be the same as the self-buy formula, which isn't what we should be using. In reality, it'd be the player's previous cost with 3k added onto it, i.e if someone was drafted for 10k and then retained the year prior, they'd be 13k. Apologies for the miscommunication. ALSO 10K IS THE MINIMUM RETAIN PRICE OOPS
 
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