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DP"P OverUsed

Zer0

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DP"P OverUsed
another Metagame remade by yours truly, Zer0
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Pokemon Platinum was released on September 20th 2008 and with it came Platinum OU, or basically the Platinum era of DPP OU as most players would like to call it. Platinum gifted us several huge metagame changes, the most notably of these were Scizor getting Bullet Punch and Salamence getting Outrage which turned them into complete metagame forces and it would go on to define their competitive history, other metagame changes in addition to these included the Rotom appliances being added, which became superb Pokemon in their own right for the entirety of DPP OU. This era also had Latias unbanned as well which significantly impacted the OU landscape for the time it was allowed alongside Salamence and together they made for an extremely powerful duo as a whole, able to significantly cut through most of the tier through brute force alone. Platinum truly was a very unique metagame as a whole since it was pretty much Scizor's land due to how incredible it was at checking so much of the Metagame and being arguably the only reliable revenge killers that could do pretty much anything on a team such as scouting with U-turn and Pursuit trapping dangerous Pokemon such as Gengar and Latias, and this in conjunction with how greatly Salamence and Latias tore things up truly made Platinum a one of a kind since no other metagame had this nearly on the same level as what Platinum had. The Platinum era of OU would go on to get played on Shoddy Battle and last from September 20th, 2008 to September 12th, 2009 and while HGSS was pretty much the same in terms of mons; in terms of movepool changes and how some mons would eventually end up getting banned it was not the same, example can include Dragonite gaining Extreme Speed in HGSS but not in Platinum. So with all of that being said a lot of people that played during when DPP was CG still sometimes remanence over the Platinum era of OU or the fact that it is pretty much lost media and it seems that most of the battles from that era are completely lost to time, barring going very deep on Youtube to find the battles. Well today, i decided that since i made BW1 OU(a metagame revolving around Gen5 OU before BW2 came out, go check it out here if you're interested) i wanted to pay my respects to the DPP OU playerbase and went on a mission to revive DP"P" OU, or what i would like to call it: Platinum OU, but instead will focus on everything post skymin ban(such as the dragons metagame basically becoming present again) as opposed to Day1 of Platinums release. So without further adieu, after almost 16 years since Platinum was released i would like to present: DP"P OverUsed! The rest of the post below will include all the resources to the metagame, such as including: the discord link, how YOU can play this metagame today, the many changes in comparison to DPP OU(be they drastic or small), and etc!


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Discord Server
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https://discord.gg/6VXXFTWjud
Here is the invite to the official DP"P" OU Discord Server for anyone that wants to join to keep up to date with the metagame!

  • How YOU can play this metagame?
    pretty simple, just challenge someone on PS with the Challenge Code bellow!
    /challenge gen4ou@@@ +Salamence, +Arena Trap, +Snow Cloak, -Sand Veil, -Snow Cloak + Mamoswine, -Snow Cloak + Glaceon, -Snow Cloak + Piloswine, -Snow Cloak + Swinub, -Extreme Speed + Dragonite, -Aqua Jet + Feraligatr, -Bug Bite + Scizor, -Sky Attack + Aerodactyl, -Pain Split + Forretress, -Disable + Gengar, -Pain Split + Gengar, -Sky Attack + Gliscor, -Heal Bell + Jolteon, -Head Smash + Aggron, -Nasty Plot + Celebi, -Extreme Speed + Raikou, -Aura Sphere + Raikou, -Heal Bell + Umbreon, -Heal Bell + Vaporeon, -Low Kick + Weavile, -Head Smash + Donphan, -Super Fang + Walrein, ! Evasion Abilities Clause

Unbans to this Metagame from DPP OU and Drastic Movepool Changes:

First, the Unbans to the metagame, keep in mind that these will all perhaps stay as they let this metagame stand out compared to modern DPP OU and it would ruin what this metagame's purpose is but some of these unbans can potentially be relooked at if they pose an extreme problem:

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Salamence Unbanned
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As expected from what this metagame is, Salamence has been unbanned. Salamence was once deemed too good from Gen4 OU before getting banned in HGSS but since this metagame was based around Pokemon Platinum; theres no reason to not leave it banned at all. Pretty self explanatory as dpp mence doesnt need no introduction, but Salamence is perhaps one of the most dangerous Pokemon in the metagame thanks to its insane power when backed by Life Orb as well as its decent base 100 speed that is the standard benchmark for most DPP OU Pokemon such as Zapdos and Jirachi, making it arguably the best DD sweeper in the entire tier as well as doubling as one of the best Mixed Attackers in the metagame. However, Its newfound access to Outrage takes Salamence to a whole new level as its completely astonishing how insane it is with such a move since its able to crush just about anything with it that isnt a steel-type or Bold Suicune. Both DD and Mixed Salamence are definitely something to watch out for in this metagame and Salamence as a whole is truly a force to be reckon with in DPP OU.

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Latias Unbanned
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While Latias had already been unbanned from DPP OU it wasnt unbanned alongside Salamence in current DPP OU. With that being said, Latias is pretty much the same Pokemon just its unbanned alongside Salamence which basically means that the Dragons metagame as most DPP OU players knew it as is now in the spotlight again, making Latias arguably slightly stronger in this metagame due to Mence being legal alongside it.


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Arena Trap Unbanned
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Arena Trap is also unbanned since Dugtrio was OU when Platinum first was released and Arena Trap itself didnt get banned until years after Gen4 ended as CG. This will give Dugtrio a place in the tier again since it can trap some of the best Pokemon in the metagame such as Jirachi, Heatran, Tyranitar, and Metagross most notably; but it can also remove other threats such as Breloom, Infernape, Starmie, and even Gengar, among many others. Unfortunately Dugtrio will have a significantly tougher time; because how common Scizor will end up being and giving a free turn to Salamence if Dugtrio is locked into Earthquake is far more dangerous than giving a free turn to Dragonite if it locks into Earthquake. But all things considered, Dugtrio is still a good Pokemon in this metagame due to its potency at trapping some of the best Pokemon in the metagame for its Teammates to take advantage off.

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Froslass Unbanned
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Instead of keeping Snow Cloak banned in its entirety, Froslass has instead been unbanned just because outside of hail teams its a very unique lead and contributes so well to the lead Metagame. Yes, it can run sub sets on hail for Snow Cloak cheese but hail can be contested with Tyranitar and Froslass outside of hail is genuinely a legitimate Pokemon that contributes incredibly well to the lead metagame of DPP OU. it can also run Trick Scarf to great effect too alongside classic Focus Sash which lets it also match up pretty well into faster leads such as Azelf and Aerodactlyl Ofc it can be dumb to face on Hail teams with Substitute sets, but as established in this post Froslass is genuinely very unique at what it does as a lead and it contributes incredibly well to how the Lead metagame of DPP OU is played that it outweighs this drawback and is worthy of being unbanned.

Deoxys-S and Skymin remain banned
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Originally these 2 were unbanned once this format was remade, but after realizing that Latias wasnt unbanned when these two were running around and how some people already have had thoughts about them going it is no surprise that they've been banned from here as well and they're pretty much self explanatory on why they're banned. However, maybe one day we will relook on this and discuss on if we should go back to having these 2(or even just one of them) around or if they should stay banned, and ofc we might host some fun tours with them running around

and now, the movepool changes:

Many changes will include multiple movepool changes thanks to these changes not being released until HGSS, below will showcase all of the notable movepool changes for most of the Pokemon in the metagame

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: Sky Attack; Kinda note worthy considering that Aero would occasionally run Sky Attack + Power Herb despite it not being common
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: Head Smash; just use rhyperior lol
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: Nasty Plot; even tho bi is kinda irrelevant, its still noted that it losing Nasty Plot is a huge blow to offensive sets
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: Head Smash; Still decent, but losing head smash is significant as it can no longer threaten ghost with huge damage
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: Extreme Speed; Dnite is pretty much irrelevant in the land of Salamence without Extreme Speed considering that it was its one true advantage it had over Salamence. Its not that dnites a bad pokemon at all, but Mence just does everything better since it has the same moves but way more faster and stronger + Intimidates a better ability than Inner Focus, Without extreme speed then dnite cant really compete in this metagame, but maybe we can see them pair up together on certain teams.
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: Aqua Jet; this is somewhat relevant enough to put it on this list, but no aqua jet means that gatr doesnt have a true concrete niche in the meta. Just run Gyarados most of the time honestly.
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: Pain Split; again, another semi relevant change but no Pain Split means that Forretress doesnt have any source of recovery outside of leftovers
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: Pain Split; this ones generally much more huge compare to Forretress because losing Pain Split means that SubSplit Gengar is pretty much dead. Still a great pokemon tho despite losing Pain Split, it just cant reek havoc with such a set anymore
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: Sky Attack; this is relevant enough since it runs Sky Attack sometimes on SD sets in DPP OU.
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: Heal Bell; for the people that wanted to tech Heal Bell Jolteon in this metagame
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: Extreme Speed, Aura Sphere; insanely huge change as this means lead Raikou is pretty much dead and now it cant even destroy Tyranitar at al anymore. CM sets are prolly still good tho since those sets dont get affected that much by these movepool changes
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: Bug Bite; significant change as this means scizor cant really run Bug Bite on sd sets anymore even tho most of the time its prolly gonna run band, however X-Scissor will probably still be a good alternative if Scizor wants to run a Bug STAB on SD sets.
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: Heal Bell; Same as Jolteon
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: Heal Bell; Same as Jolteon
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: Super Fang; not as relevant since Walrein isnt common at all but Stallrein cant run super fang anymore
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: Low Kick; still has Brick Break, but it isnt the same as Low Kick due to Low Kick having more power against bulkier targets such as Heatran, who it can no longer 2HKO thanks to the huge power drop off between the 2 moves.

Ending conclusion:
Despite this metagame being a bit chaotic to say the least its still very unique and fun considering that current dpp ou does NOT have any of these changes at all(especially the unbanning of Salamence and Latias together) and with that i wanna once again thank everyone who took the time out to read in addition to checking out this OM, this has been a long time coming considering that DPP OU hasnt been CG in almost 15 years and im glad i was able to do this and pay my respects to the DPP OU Playerbase. If you like or wanna play this OM then i would consider to join the Discord or just play this with any of your friends. Many more resources will be coming soon(such as a VR and samples as well as cool artwork, to name but many more) as well as many Tournaments, so stay tuned for all of that and as always let me know if you have any questions about this metagame!
 

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This needs some work Zero - Latias and Deo-S have never co-existed in Gen 4 afaik, at least not in the time period you are trying to replicate

Deo-S banned late 08
Latias unbanned from ubers in Jan 09
 
This needs some work Zero - Latias and Deo-S have never co-existed in Gen 4 afaik, at least not in the time period you are trying to replicate

Deo-S banned late 08
Latias unbanned from ubers in Jan 09
yea i just fixed this, i thought they were legal together upon platinum being released so that is my fault ultimately but i think everything should be accurate as of now and ill be updating the op entirely in a bit
 
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lmao i still remember this. everyone laddered. those hp bars made everything feel so chippy. or just being a noob

eaglesrock was the first name i recognized from browsing the forums. he said "meh" after i beat him.

it could be rose tinted glasses but maybe this tier really is better with mence now that latias is unbanned
 
Platinum OU has been voted as a Community Choice ladder for RoA's Spotlight in July 2026. In lieu of teams built for this format, I will post some teams from the Gen IV RMT Archive that I think would be applicable to this. The pokepaste of the team will open when you click on the Pokemon; the original RMT will open when clicking on the name of the team.

:metagross::gyarados::latias::scizor::salamence::azelf: - panamaxis's Latias Offense Team
:uxie::scizor::flygon::lucario::salamence::suicune: - M Dragon's The Art of U-Turn
:smeargle::rotom-heat::salamence::latias::lucario::scizor: - Kevin Garrett's & august's Team Kevin, Please Come Home
:heatran::lucario::latias::jirachi::gliscor::rotom-wash: - jumpluff's Team Sugarless GiRL
:heatran::scizor::vaporeon::magnezone::gengar::salamence: - Scofield's The Dark Passenger

I avoided putting stall teams because modern stall teams have Clefable instead of Blissey. I hope that teams will get posted with at least some of the following:
  • Physical Jirachi
  • Machamp (especially lead Machamp)
  • Clefable
  • Dugtrio
  • Baton Pass (whether it be fullpass or something like Mean Look Pass)
 
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Platinum OU has been voted as a Community Choice ladder for RoA's Spotlight in July 2026. In lieu of teams built for this format, I will post some teams from the Gen IV RMT Archive that I think would be applicable to this. The pokepaste of the team will open when you click on the Pokemon; the original RMT will open when clicking on the name of the team.

:metagross::gyarados::latias::scizor::salamence::azelf: - panamaxis's Latias Offense Team
:uxie::scizor::flygon::lucario::salamence::suicune: - M Dragon's The Art of U-Turn
:smeargle::rotom-heat::salamence::latias::lucario::scizor: - Kevin Garrett's & august's Team Kevin, Please Come Home
:heatran::lucario::latias::jirachi::gliscor::rotom-wash: - jumpluff's Team Sugarless GiRL
:heatran::scizor::vaporeon::magnezone::gengar::salamence: - Scofield's The Dark Passenger

I avoided putting stall teams because modern stall teams have Clefable instead of Blissey. I hope that teams will get posted with at least some of the following:
  • Physical Jirachi
  • Machamp (especially lead Machamp)
  • Clefable
  • Dugtrio
  • Baton Pass (whether it be fullpass or something like Mean Look Pass)
The pokepaste for jumpluff's team with the Gliscor has its nature as Timid when it should be Jolly, just a heads up. The RMT has Jolly, but there must have been a mixup during the paste
 
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The pokepaste for jumpluff's team with the Gliscor has it's nature as Timid when it should be Jolly, just a heads up. The RMT has Jolly, but there must have been a mixup during the paste
Fixed the natures on the team; Gliscor and Lucario are supposed to be Jolly

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: Sky Attack

Turns out you can teach Aerodactyl Sky Attack in Pokemon XD: Gale of Darkness.
 
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Here is a Machamp/Dug/Mence team that got me undefeated to #1 on the ladder. Not that <1300 Elo is crazy, but it's early in the Spotlight, and I want to get the team out there so people can experiment with some mons that aren't in the sample teams.

:Machamp: :Salamence: :Metagross: :Dugtrio: :Bronzong: :Starmie: - Physical Balance by GuessMonster/DPPKekW

Machamp is a fun lead that gives people a lot of trouble. I run Lum Berry, which is very effective in a DPP meta with Sleep allowed. It is also appreciated in the mirror matchup as your opponent is likely to be Sash. If you get first blood and Machamp is still alive with most of its HP, don't underestimate its ability to come back in later and do more damage. Don't throw it away early for no reason. If you don't like Lum Berry, Focus Sash and Custap are other options. If you run Sash, definitely go Adamant max speed. Custap you can get creative with the EVs.

Dugtrio is primarily used to trap and break mons that prevent Salamence from spamming dragon moves. Removing Scarf Rotom locked into Thunderbolt and some of the slower scarfers is also a huge benefit to the team. Metagross also appreciates guaranteed damage on some mons that don't necessarily stop it from sweeping, but makes its odds of doing so greater.

Salamence is used as speed control, revenge killer, and sweeper. Most people expect Mixed or Dragon Dance sets, so the surprise factor of scarf is a nice benefit. I prefer Adamant scarf, but Jolly is just as valid.

Metagross is your primary sweeper. Be careful when choosing your turn to set up, as you can easily take a hit, get low, and knock yourself out with Life Orb recoil before you finish sweeping. Jolly is my preferred nature as after a speed boost you outspeed scarf base 100 speed mons like Jirachi and Flygon. This allows you to kill or heavily chips the mons that stop Salamence if you end up preserving Mence for the endgame, Scarf Flygon for example. If you are Jolly, you have to run Life Orb for certain damage rolls. If you run Adamant, you might as well run Lum Berry or something else to help you set up more successfully.

Bronzong is the primary tank for this team. HP Ice lets you get the upper hand on Scarf Flygons locked into Outrage and can KO Salamence after rocks. Don't throw this mon away for zero value, but also don't be afraid to switch in on dragon moves early game to get rocks up. You can run Protect over Toxic if you like, but this team struggles a bit into bulky waters, and Toxic saved me in several games.

Starmie is your spinner, but also your only real special attacker on the team. Choose your turn to spin carefully when deciding whether to spin or just throw off special attacks. Your only Pokemon really affected by Stealth Rock is Salamence, and since you aren't setting up or running Life Orb, sometimes you don't need rocks off the field to get value with Mence. If you were unable to preserve Machamp at the start of the game, you may need Hydro Pump to help break through mons like Bronzong later in the game. I think the Starmie set you run could be completely customizable. Choice or Defensive sets would also work well. Pick your poison.

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Sorry GuessMonster, but the #1 spot as of now has been taken by yours truly!

Here is a Machamp/Dug/Mence team that got me undefeated to #1 on the ladder. Not that <1300 Elo is crazy, but it's early in the Spotlight, and I want to get the team out there so people can experiment with some mons that aren't in the sample teams.

:jirachi: :abomasnow: :froslass: :dugtrio: :latias: :tentacruel:
https://pokepast.es/541acb3cdb01a8d8

Really awesome scumbag team that takes full advantage of the Plat OU unbans. Quite easy to master despite being a stall structure, as the gameplan is very straightforward. It will be difficult to overcome foundationally strong teams.

Thank you Tb0lt for directing me to this page. Free Froslass
 
Wanted to share some thoughts on the meta after winning the roa spotlight tournament. Big thanks to Regiboob for hosting it, wish more people joined.

I had a lot of fun spamming baton pass as I wasn't that active/good when it was legal, but it seems very against the spirit of the tournament.
Main team I used: https://pokepast.es/c1d4ee887da2e843

Outside of the BP unban it doesn't make use of any of the unique things in this meta, nor does it care about them. It isn't even an old platinum team that was used back in the day, it was what was being spammed before BP finally got banned(partially) which was after bw released. Definitely not an unbeatable team with some obvious counters like haze milo, but no need to go over the bp debate that has occured in every gen at this point.

Stuff like this or the mudslap frosslass team isnt really representative of what the metagame was back then which is what I assume the point of this tier is. Think it would be fun to try it with a few of the modern bans on the degen stuff that people back then didnt abuse. While this stuff is in the tier there is very little reason to run honest salamence HO's like god Arceus intended.
 
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