Umm...it's okay I guess. Maybe as a speedy tank that can set up Aurora Veil in the lower tiers once Slush Rush is released? No freezy fish hate here, but it kinda pales in comparison to the other fossils that either have Hustle, the coveted BoltBeam STAB coverage, or just wreck everything with a Strong Jaws boosted 170 base power STAB.
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Pokémon Dracovish
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That was mainly because we did not have a full understanding of Fishous rend as an attack (like switch ins) and how it got boosted by strong jaws.
If we got 100% knowledge of the pokemon, people would have 100% been hyping this thing up. Dragon/Water typing + 255 base attack stab is a no brainer.
The switch in aspect of Fishous Rend should have been pretty intuitive.
Keep in mind that what pushed Naganadel over the edge was not its ability to annihilate everything bar SpD Heatran or AV Tyranitar with a +2 Devastating Drake.
It was the fact Beast Boost and a very high natural Speed stat made it almost impossible to stop, not only for stall or balance, but also offense, as it was eventually impossible to outspeed even with Scarfers.
If you want a closer comparison, pick ORAS Hoopa-U, which was similarly unwallable while also having a not too convincing offense matchup.
Here is a potential Gastrodon set to semi check Fishious Rend and most Choice Banded/Scarf'd Dracovish
Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Relaxed Nature
Ability: Storm Drain
EVs: 252 HP / 152 Def / 36 SpA / 68 SpD
- Earth Power
- Scald
- Recover
- Counter
Since Dracovish tends to be banded or scarfed its easy to predict when the fishious rend is incoming as this is essentially a kill button at this stage in the metagame. Switching Gastrodon on a fishy rend nets you a +1 due to storm drain and forces a switch. EV's are specific to survive him coming in on you banded, scarfed or life orb and counter right back to get him outta there.
252 Atk Choice Band Dracovish Dragon Rush vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 195-231 (45.7 - 54.2%) -- 3.9% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Psychic Fangs vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 165-195 (38.7 - 45.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252 Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Crunch vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 156-184 (36.6 - 43.1%) -- 98.7% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Dracovish Dragon Rush vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 213-252 (50 - 59.1%) -- 75.4% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Psychic Fangs vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 181-213 (42.4 - 50%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Crunch vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 171-202 (40.1 - 47.4%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Dracovish Dragon Rush vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 187-220 (43.8 - 51.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Strong Jaw Dracovish Psychic Fangs vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 157-186 (36.8 - 43.6%) -- 99.5% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Life Orb Strong Jaw Dracovish Crunch vs. 252 HP / 152+ Def Gastrodon: 148-175 (34.7 - 41%) -- 68.9% chance to 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
Also Quagsire can run the same exact set and EV'd below for similar results as well.
Quagsire @ Leftovers
Bold Nature
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 160 Def / 100 SpD
- Scald
- Earth Power
- Counter
- Recover
252+ Atk Choice Band Dracovish Dragon Rush vs. 248 HP / 160+ Def Quagsire: 183-216 (46.5 - 54.9%) -- 10.5% chance to 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Psychic Fangs vs. 248 HP / 160+ Def Quagsire: 155-183 (39.4 - 46.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Crunch vs. 248 HP / 160+ Def Quagsire: 147-173 (37.4 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
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this mon is stupid. way too much reward for clicking a button. Does anyone think this is a healthy presence in the meta? Resists should like, resist the move.
If you have to resort to Counter to counter Dracovish, I think you've already admitted defeat. Honestly, ANY Pokemon with Counter, decent HP, and a Focus Sash could take out Dracovish this way, or any physical threat really. Might as well send in Focus Sash, Endevour, Quick Attack, Lv 1 Rattata while you're at it.
The issue at hand isnt Dracovish as a whole its Fishious Rend, which under the right situation is a kill button. Gastrodon utilizes its ability to absorb fishy rend and turns the tables on Choice locked variants. Counter inserted into the moveset is meant to literally counter any other physical move that vish can throw out and still survive comfortably. That isnt admiting defeat, thats turning the tables on a legit threat to 6-0 your whole team.
Your logic that any pokemon with counter, decent hp, and focus sash is demolished by stealth rocks, spikes, sand or hail against Dracovish. Gastro on the other hand can still handle all of those conditions switching in and can still handle vish with the moveset I listed.
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If it’s base speed was in the 100’s then saying this might hold actual weight. But with a base speed of 75, it’s completely manageable.
I made an account just to give love to our new wallbreaking overlord. May Toxapex and Ferrothorn rest peacefully in whatever ditch they're in right now.
The impact that Dracovish is having on the metagame is pretty amazing, to be honest. The sheer power it possesses is unparalleled and it is singlehandedly forcing the usage of a couple Water immune Pokemon. I am interested to see how much staying power it has and how the metagame may adapt to such a potent threat popping up out of nowhere to be so common.
This thing is literally WTF the Pokemon. Why does it have so much firepower for being such an incomplete mess?
Eh, screw it. It's a cutie.
imagine literally 2hkoing phys def Ferrothorn and OHKOing phys def pex with a resisted move
The main thing about it that irks me is its speed tier. Sure, it can be mitigated, but it kinda costs a bit of its firepower. I'm slightly curious about it once Sand Rush releases, but to be entirely honest, Strong Jaw is probably still the way to go. I don't think it'll be banned because of the speed and power discrepancy, but this thing will probably be UUBL at the very least; its sheer firepower is probably gonna be way, way too much for the lower tiers, especially under the will of the Dexit and its ultimately ok speed tier. Overall, I'm curious to see where it'll go!
Eh, screw it. It's a cutie.
imagine literally 2hkoing phys def Ferrothorn and OHKOing phys def pex with a resisted move
The main thing about it that irks me is its speed tier. Sure, it can be mitigated, but it kinda costs a bit of its firepower. I'm slightly curious about it once Sand Rush releases, but to be entirely honest, Strong Jaw is probably still the way to go. I don't think it'll be banned because of the speed and power discrepancy, but this thing will probably be UUBL at the very least; its sheer firepower is probably gonna be way, way too much for the lower tiers, especially under the will of the Dexit and its ultimately ok speed tier. Overall, I'm curious to see where it'll go!
I think it’ll definitely start in OU given the recent wave in popularity. And I really would not bother with Sand Rush at this moment given how instrumental Strong Jaw is to its offensive presence / damage output.
It has 90 base attack, so it's significantly less scary without Strong Jaw. Obviously it can still clean your team with Sand Rush but things can actually take a hit. Also, rain will probably not be up if it's running Sand Rush.
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn: 207-243 (58.8 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Dracovish Fishious Rend vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn: 138-162 (39.2 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn: 207-243 (58.8 - 69%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
252+ Atk Choice Band Dracovish Fishious Rend vs. 252 HP / 24 Def Ferrothorn: 138-162 (39.2 - 46%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after Leftovers recovery
So what's the best way to run Dracovish? Has one moveset, nature, and items stood out above others?
Dracovish @ Choice Band
Ability: Strong Jaw
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Fishious Rend
- Outrage
- Crunch
- Psychic Fangs
No more than a simple Band Adamant clickspam set
Well actually the move list could just stop to Fishious Rend and sometimes Outrage, but Crunch and Psychic Fangs get boosted by Strong Jaw and somebody told me they give you a thing called "coverage"
Meh, this OU is 2x to Water, anything touched by Dracovish dies
What's a good team to use it on?
Banded is probably best on rain, since rain has fast sweepers like Life Orb Barraskewda to capitalize on the holes this thing punches.
Scarf is totally viable too, and can be run outside of rain to still do massive damage, but it can't get past Toxapex/Ferrothorn as easily.
Despite having the fang animation, it does not!
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