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HBK said:
I've only watched as far as episode 3 but is it just me, or does Dragon Ball Super seem like a retelling or a reboot of Battle Of Gods rather than what happened following the events that unfolded in the movie? I don't get it, wasn't Battle Of Gods supposed to be canon? Then what's this rehashed crap about Beerus waking up and talking about the Super Saiyan God that appeared in his dreams?
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Ill also point out that super is supposed to initially retell BoG and RoF then move onto new stuff. Both are considered canon however the movie has to fit a lot more into a shorter frame which means you miss the behind the scenes stuff like beerus getting dino meat. Btw the stuff youve watched about episode 3 is translation error, I believe it says in later episode the stuff about the wind fish.

Also, if you want accurate subs use Dragon Teams. Theyre having technical difficulties at the moment but they should be back on track within the next couple of days.
 
I don't think it is worth opening a new threat for this, but has anyone seen the fanservice that Dragon Ball Heroes pulled a few days ago?
Yeah, those guys who gave almost every fucking Saiyan SSJ3 (even Bardock for some fucking reason).
 
Given the way this battle turned out (Goku seemed to push Beerus to at least 90% of his power, enough to tire him out; in BoG he still didn't come close to standing a chance and the SSG power ran out much more quickly) I think this is certainly another dimension in the multiverse. Didn't Toriyama say in an interview that Goku was a 6, Beerus a 12, and Whis a 15? Seems like this time around Goku was a 10 or an 11. I guess we'll see how the RoF segment goes.

Overall the show has way too much campy talking (IN THE MIDDLE OF FIGHTS) which made me beyond bored but it could've been a lot worse I suppose. Glad the plot is moving along.
 
Confirmed: The two movies are basically alt universe canon, and will be replayed in this universe to some extent.

Hopefully we get to see Frieza's training method.
 
Deck Knight said:
Confirmed: The two movies are basically alt universe canon, and will be replayed in this universe to some extent.

Hopefully we get to see Frieza's training method.
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Looks like the training method was just beating the shit out of Tagoma over and over... which I don't think would be very helpful.

Also this week's episode was awesome. Hearing Katsuyuki Konishi back made me super happy, he's a wonderful voice actor (even though Ginyu's method of getting back was a bit of an asspull...). Hearing him as a villain compared to how he acts as a hero was pretty rad, too.

I didn't really watch Revival of F but from what I gather of the major plot points, this is actually taking a pretty large turn from what happened there. Why is Piccolo always saving Gohan's ass when Goku isn't around?....
 
I unintentionally have seen Dragon Ball Super Episode 22 and now I am honestly wondering: What the fuck does it take people to realise that this garbage isn't even comparable to GT and any anime in general?

I have read a lot of shitty DBZ fanfics over time and nothing was so bad like an episode of Dragon Ball Super or modern Dragon Ball in general:
- Sending Bardock back in time to become the first (Super) Saiyan
- more "kreative" transformations (aka recolors) that make non-Saiyans more irrelevant than they already are
- SSJG being related to Namekian Myphology
- Dragon Ball Minus being a ripp off of Superman's origin
- Ginju being back and a threat now

And don't get me started to the insane inconsistencies that a Frieza Officer can effordlessly beat up Tien, Piccolo and Krillin while forcing Gohan to go SSJ, but somehow not one shot Master fucking Roshi.
Did he get that much stronger or did the Z Fighters drop to Raditz or even King Piccolo level of power?
And we yet have to reach the part where Goku gets one shotted by that other Frieza Officer which is pretty much a meme now:
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This shit makes Dragon Ball Evolution look good and Episode 5 of Super less like cancer and I didn't even mention the amount of irrelevant flash backs yet.
 
I was initially confused by the power scaling but a lot of it is apparently powered by bad translations. There's a line in the episode where Piccolo explicitly states that Gohan can't access his Mystic powers anymore, so Gohan is fighting in base mode for most of the episode - he doesn't go SSJ at all because he has qualms about killing, for whatever reason. Presumably he also wants to save his power to face Frieza.

That would place Super Tagoma at roughly Semi-Perfect / Perfect Cell levels of strength, which is consistent with Piccolo's power level at the end of Buu saga (roughly below Semi-Perfect Cell, well below Dabura) and is also consistent with Gohan's current power level, as Gohan was able to win handily once going SSJ2. I'm not really sure why Tien / Krillin / Roshi didn't just explode after getting hit, though.

Current Frieza should be well above Buu in terms of power level so it's not too far-fetched that he was able to shit all over SSJ2 Gohan. They're also doing a better job foreshadowing Goku getting one-shot through Whis's training lessons, explaining how Goku has a tendency to let his guard down.

I've never watched GT and I'm remaining skeptical about Super, but it's been solidly "good" so far and I think you're being a little too harsh on it.
 
I don't think so.

1. Gohan just went Super Saiyan and not above meaning he can't even access his full power from the Great Saiyaman act. Power scaling is completely inconsistent by simply using Master Roshi as a base for it.

2. The foreshadowing from Goku getting one-shotted goes against 2 things:
First, Goku was specificly trained by Kami or more specificly Mr Popo so things like those never happen. We have never seen in Z that Goku was caught off guard like that, unless his opponent was honestly THAT skilled or stronger for instands Frieza or when Goku wanted to test the waters (neither was the case with that Frieza Officer).
The second thing is, there is no logical way that that Frieza Officer has a device to piece through fucking SSJGSSJ, which mind you is stronger than SSJ3 which again is 8 times stronger than SSJ1 who can tank blasts that can destroy planets or even able to tank planet size explosions.

If things continue like that, we might get bullshit like "The Saiyans were the reason why the Namekian can create the Dragon Balls" or Frieza gets revived again.
 
They might retcon Goku getting shot by a laser, it'd be the smart thing to do and Super hasn't been shy about changing things up.

Whether Gohan went SSJ or SSJ2 against Tagoma is personally unclear for me as Super doesn't have the electric sparks that the US TV series did whenever someone went SSJ2, though I've seen people say that Gohan was SSJ2 due to the shape of his hair. It doesn't really bother me all that much - power scaling in DBZ has never really been consistent and so far Super has been every bit as ass-pull-y as DBZ.
 
Yes, inconsistency was always present in Dragon Ball especially after the Frieza Saga (Tien vs Cell for instands), but it has never been as extreme as in Super like Goten and Trunks having trouble to fight a snake and Goten needing to use a Kamehameha.

To Super's credit, they fixed the shitty ending of BoG by making Goku act in character for once. Even if they fix the laser thing, they would need to do more to make up for the shit so far in that arc and the laser thing wasn't the only thing that made the movie bad.
 
Chou Toshio said:
Even if all th movies and episodes are utter crap, I take comfort knowing team4star will get our revenge for us.
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Yeah, but that won't be until like 2022 if they do Buu Saga.

Also the movie retelling eps are over. Time for the Anime to switch to Champa/Vados arc. YAY!
 
Excited for the new arc. Furthermore, the latest episode had Gohan stating he'd like to train again under Piccolo. Does this mean he'll be less of a fucking jobber??????
 
Really hyped for the universe 6 tournament. I'm one of those who wasn't watching the anime, but I was reading the manga which is giving some new material. Now that the anime's caught up though, I'm gonna start watching.

Yoshi King said:
Excited for the new arc. Furthermore, the latest episode had Gohan stating he'd like to train again under Piccolo. Does this mean he'll be less of a fucking jobber??????
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Majin Buu fails the written test part of the tournament so he won't be able to fight. I'm hoping Gohan might replace him.

Really excited for the new arc overall though, all the members of Champa's team look really interesting. It's also already set up future arcs with certain reveals, like the original Saiyan planet being around. The real question is who the villains are going to be in future arcs, because right now it seems that everyone in universe 6 are good guys, very suspicious.

As for the new Saiyan Cabba, I wouldn't be surprised to see him go SSGSS considering the Saiyans are all good in this universe, and it only takes 6 good Saiyans to unlock the God form. But I wonder why Toriyama seems to hate the Saiyan tails now...he conveniently got all the main Saiyans to lose their tails in various ways, and then forgot to give Trunks and Goten tails and then now says the others just evolved their tails away...I don't know what's going on with that.

I guess it makes some sense, if they have achieved SSG then the Oozaru transformation would be pretty obsolete, but still I wonder about the reasoning.
 
Mr Toriyama does not seem to be happy with Super either. It kinda makes me happy to see how the creator himself says his opinion on the series exposing all the people defending the shitty animation of Toei.

Just google Toriyama angry about Super or something
 
So did Goku throw that match? It looks like he was dominating, Frost did some kind of dizzyness thing to catch him off guard (Frieza race does have psychic powers), and knocked him out of the ring while he was zoned out. Either that of Goku is trolling his friends because he wants Picollo to face off against a Frieze-like being. Who knows?
 
Deck Knight said:
So did Goku throw that match? It looks like he was dominating, Frost did some kind of dizzyness thing to catch him off guard (Frieza race does have psychic powers), and knocked him out of the ring while he was zoned out. Either that of Goku is trolling his friends because he wants Picollo to face off against a Frieze-like being. Who knows?
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Very clearly foul play: there's a few freeze frames floating around the internet that have a red circle highlighting a tiny black dot on Frost's wrist that is consistent across frames, and when it hits Goku's palm there's a purple "impact effect." So he poisoned Goku (and it works instantaneously...??????) and then kicked him out.

What I'm interested in with this whole situation is whether or not this actually does count as foul play, as it's clearly a part of Frost's body (therefore an evolutionary thing, like a bee sting). Still, he poisoned and therefore compromised the other fighter, so...? I'm not really keen on making predictions, but based on this I think Universe 6 is probably going to win (despite Monoka's fucked up ability with his nipples?) but then be disqualified once Frost's cheating comes to light--if it's found to be cheating at all. The other alternative is that Universe 7 wins anyways because, as Hulavuta wrote, Gohan might be able to sub in for Buu.

Regarding Cabba: I watched the raw and Cabba specifically stated that he didn't know about Saiyan transformations (when Goku went regular Super Saiyan). What this says to me is that the U6 Saiyans, never having to rage and struggle against another race, never went SS--being that it's a transformation inherently based on rage-- but have definitely utilised SSGod. However, what I think is going to happen is Cabba/Vegeta will result in Cabba showing off SSG, and then Vegeta being forced to go SSBlue... which Cabba has never seen, as SSBlue was described as a Saiyan who has tapped into god power going Super Saiyan. So I think overall that's just going to end with Hit vs. Monoka. We'll see.
 
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LizardMan said:
I wanted Goku to try his best and beat Frost. As usual, he gets caught off guard by something stupid.
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I know right? it's infuriating. A few episodes back Freezer destroyed the Earth because of that attitude of his and he still doesn't learn even a little.

I have not seen people commenting on it but the animation quality has dropped again, not as bad as the early episodes but you can see the bad drawings and animations clearly especially since it's not all of the frames. The quality drops here and there making it easy to spot in comparison with other parts of the episode. It's a bit dissapointing to see this kind of half assed work again, it's not like DBZ has some complicated art style.

I'm looking forward to Piccolo's and Vegeta's fight, I like their style better than baka Goku. From the preview Piccolo seems to have an interesting tactic planned, hopefully it doesn't turn out to be something ridiculous. I also hope Piccolo has a new technique I remember he lectured Goku on not having developed new techniques in DBZ.

mertyville said:
Mr Toriyama does not seem to be happy with Super either. It kinda makes me happy to see how the creator himself says his opinion on the series exposing all the people defending the shitty animation of Toei.

Just google Toriyama angry about Super or something
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I can see why he would be angry

Poor quality animation
Power de-escalation that makes no sense
No new techinques... Seriously when was the last time we saw a new techinque from the protagonists?
Boring fight with way too much talking and stalemates
Characters use techniques they abandoned since DBZ... Like continuous energy barrage. It was said in DBZ that this technique is a waste and misuse of energy yet they brought it back for some reason. This is even more relevant since they were supposed to be training in using their ki effectively by Whiz.

The only things I like about Super is the character development especially the rivalry/friendship of Baka Goku and Tsundere Vegeta and having Bulma back as a secondary character. The humor is great too. The joke about Goku's and Vegeta's wives was gold especially Piccolo's reaction haha.
 
The animation quality is not as crap as the plot-- omg.

Even the redeeming story attributes of the manga are somehow fucked awful in the last two episodes.
 
So Frost is a bad guy. I actually was quite surprised by that. Also, I wonder how strong Monaka really is. I have a feeling that he isn't that strong and Beerus is an idiot who doesn't remember anything.
 
aniravjain said:
So Frost is a bad guy. I actually was quite surprised by that. Also, I wonder how strong Monaka really is. I have a feeling that he isn't that strong and Beerus is an idiot who doesn't remember anything.
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Yeah, I was surprised by that too. It is yet another Frieza-looking evil guy but I kinda liked it because I genuinely didn't see it coming (I thought Hit was gonna be the bad guy). I hope to see Hit kill Frost later on after he's already out of the tournament, it would be a good character/power establishing moment for Hit because we really don't know anything about him right now.

As for Monaka there's really no way to know and I like that. I think it'll be a nice surprise either way whether he is strong or not. I'm leaning towards the not-so strong because I feel like Goku will be able to come back and have the last battle with Hit (that's how things tend to go). Although Monaka got hurt by Goku earlier so that might have been misleading information too. Or not. It's hard to tell, you never really know with Toriyama. I dunno though, because I feel like going forward Monaka will have some sort of role to play, I don't know why they'd introduce him just for a gag and then not use him again. Especially because they don't seem to be hyping him up that much.

I also think it's lame how Piccolo only had one battle and was forced by Vegeta to forfeit. That was kind of dumb, we haven't seen Piccolo have a real fight in a really long time and his fight with Frost was even kind of cool. He's also my favorite character so there's that. I dunno, couldn't we at least have him fight Magetta? I mean Magetta seems to just be team filler like Botamo so we could just have him fight Piccolo just to see him have a fun fight. Because the way it's looking, Vegeta is going to have at least three fights in a row (Frost, Magetta, and Cabe). Come on...
 
Hulavuta said:
I also think it's lame how Piccolo only had one battle and was forced by Vegeta to forfeit. That was kind of dumb, we haven't seen Piccolo have a real fight in a really long time and his fight with Frost was even kind of cool. He's also my favorite character so there's that. I dunno, couldn't we at least have him fight Magetta? I mean Magetta seems to just be team filler like Botamo so we could just have him fight Piccolo just to see him have a fun fight. Because the way it's looking, Vegeta is going to have at least three fights in a row (Frost, Magetta, and Cabe). Come on...
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Yeah that pissed me off too. I like Piccolo a lot as well and was actually hoping that Toriyama would make him a major character again by giving him a battle where he completely dominates. It just feels like Goku and Vegeta are the only strong fighters remaining from the original Z fighters and the rest are irrelevant. I am also still really angry about what he did to Gohan's character. Before the tournament started, I was hoping that Gohan would participate but of course he had to go to a meeting..
 
If episodes from now on are as good as the last 2-3 episodes have been, I'll be completely satisfied with the series. I'm actually hyped for this entire arc and the animation has been pretty decent - nothing amazing but a vast improvement from the beginning of the series.
 
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