EE's secret base tips & tricks

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Expert Evan

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This guide is intended to present examples of how you can utilize secret bases to take advantage of your training needs, so the following shall be covered in this topic:

1. Raising up pokemon faster than having to go through the elite 4 constantly
2. Accurate EV training

Before we begin, let's cover some basics:

What is a secret base?

A secret base is like a private home you can setup in certain caves or bushes available in ruby, sapphire or emerald games only.

Serebii has picturial examples in this link:
http://www.serebii.net/pokemon_advance/base/

How do I get a secret base?
Have a pokémon in your party that knows Secret Power (TM43) to open it.

How can I battle other secret bases?
Mix records in pokemon center with other game, and the pokemon in party will be the ones at time of mixing records.

Note: you can mix records before beating the Elite 4, you just can't battle before beating the Elite 4.

How often can I battle?

After each time mixing records, you can battle one time per day in game. To battle more than once per day, re-mix records before the next battle.

Here are things that may help in proper setup:

Ruby/Sapphire:
- Methods of initial leveling up in order to prepare certain bases takes lots of time at first. There are 2 glitches worth noting as it requires leaving the target pokemon in daycare for this to work such as the mudslide trick or the ocean glitch.

- Any secret bases that can be used

FireRed / LeafGrean:

- Evolution stones are available at a cost
- Lucky egg on chansey at 5% chance (extremely hard to capture)

Pokemon XD:

- Lucky egg quest after defeating the game

Pokemon Box:

- Easiest way to transport from one game to another, and to view stats

1. Raising up pokemon faster than having to go through the elite 4 constantly

The following pokemon can yield the easiest or fastest way of leveling up:

Gardevoir (only knows memento)

normal exp: 4456
1 boosted exp: 6684
2 boosted exp: 10026
Maximum points expected = 10026 * 6 = 60156

Latios (only knows memento)

normal exp: 4521
1 boosted exp: 6781
2 boosted exp: 10171
Maximum points expected = 10171 * 6 = 61026

Note: Gardevoir or latios' memento causes itself to faint and reduces your pokemon's attack and sp.atk by 2 points and by the time you face the 4th gardevoir or latios, its memento will fail, so you may have to switch back and forth with another pokemon or use an attack or sp.atk raising move like swords dance, calm mind, haze, dragon dance, curse, etc... clear body instantly works well here too.

Now that cloning in emerald is possible. Go ahead and clone a level 100 latios, use a heart scale or mushrooms to re-learn memento, and clone until you have a party of 6 latios available.

Also, check out this 9:05 minute video from youtube.com which shows a pokemon starting at level 5 and leveling up through 2 separate gardevoir bases.

Chansey or Blissey (only knows tail whip)

normal exp: 5463
1 boosted exp: 8194
2 boosted exp: 12291
Maximum points expected = 12291 * 6 = 73746

Note: physical attack, attack boosting moves, and status inflictions like toxic, curse (ghost), leech seed, & will-o-wisp work well here. I attempted to record a video with skitty battling 6 level 100 blisseys, but the video exceeded the 10 minute limit, so overall, going through 2 gardevoir/latios bases is faster than 1 chansey/blissey base.

Also worth noting is the most points expected by having let's say a traded level 92 starmie holding a lucky egg going through the advanced elite 4 in FR/LG comes out to 162092 which is a little more than 2 trips to the chansey/blissey base, but only works with a special attacker like starmie, kyogre and mewtwo at around level 90 and above.

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2. accurate EV training

2. accurate EV training

You can take advantage of secret bases by having special EV bases which have a full team of a certain pokemon that provide 3 Effort Points at low levels. If you have multiple copies of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, you can create one base for each stat. The following shows the best pokemon for each stat and where you can obtain them:

HP
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Azumarill : Capture marill while surfing in lakes, evolve at level 18, retain only "Tail Whip" while deleting all other moves.

Exploud : Capture loudred in Victory Road or Desert Underpass and retain any of the following moves only: Howl, Screech, Sleep Talk.

Wigglytuff: Capture jigglypuff in FR/LG on route 3 preferably at level 3, evolve with moon stone, use mushrooms or heart scale to learn "Defense Curl" delete "sing, clone for 5 more.

Other pokemon that yield 3 points: Celebi, Clefable, Jirachi, Mew, Nidoqueen, Slaking, Walrein

Attack
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Machamp : Capture machop on jagged pass or fiery path in ruby/sapphire/emerald, evolve and trade, retain only the moves leer, focus energy or foresight.

Shiftry : Capture nuzleaf on route 114 in ruby or seedot outbreak on route 117 in emerald, evolve, retain only the move "Growth"

Victreebel : Capture weepinbel in LG on route 13, 14, 15, use mushrooms to re-learn "Growth", evolve, then delete all other moves

Other pokemon that yield 3 points: Blaziken, Dragonite, Groudon, Nidoking, Salamence, Swampert, Tyranitar

Defense
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Golem : Capture graveler in caves and Team Magma's hideout in emerald, evolve by trade, retain only the move "Selfdestruct" as I only recommend this for ghost pokemon like dusclops.

Poliwrath : Capture L20 poliwhirl while fishing in ponds in FR/LG, evolve with water stone, use emerald move tutor for "snore" and delete all other moves or level up until it learns Belly Drum then delete all other moves. Note, Poliwrath must have an HP and training pokemon must know a move to decrease poliwrath's attack so a 2nd Belly Drum can bring its HP down to just 1 which is enough for any attack to take it down.

Other pokemon that yield 3 points: Aggron, Metagross, Regirock

Sp. Attack
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Alakazam : Breed or purchase abra at Celadon Game corner, evolve and trade at level 16, retain only "Teleport"

Ampharos : Capture mareep in emerald safari zone with a static pokemon in lead, evolve and retain only "Cotton Spore"

Beautifly : Capture or breed wurmple in R/S/E, evolves randomly into dustox or beautifly, retain only "String Shot"

Gardevoir : Evolve at level 31 and retain the move "Teleport". For the special case with "Memento", breed with koffing/weezing, grimer/muk or inherited descendant, evolve at level 31, then after it would learns "imprison" at level 33, move the "Memento" move to the bottom slot so it will not get overwritten by newer moves and leave in daycare while doing the mudslide trick or the ocean glitch in R/S, delete all other moves once it reaches level 100.

Latios : Level up to 100 normally, clone the latios and have it re-learn memento while deleting all other moves, then clone 5 more.

Vileplume : Capture gloom on route 13, 14, 15 in FR/LG or left of Lilycove in R/S/E, use heart scale or mushrooms for "Sweet Scent", delete all other moves

Other pokemon that yield 3 points: Charizard, Gengar, Kyogre, Mewtwo, Moltres, Typhlosion, Zapdos

Sp. Defense
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Dustox : Capture or breed wurmple in R/S/E, evolves randomly into dustox or beautifly, retain only "String Shot"

Ludicolo : Breed with oddish to learn "sweet scent", evolve at level 14 and retain only that move.

Other pokemon that yield 3 points: Articuno, Bellossom, Blastoise, Ho-oh, Latias, Lugia, Politoed, Regice, Slowking

Speed
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Jumpluff : Capture or breed 6 hoppips, raise until they evolve into jumpluff at level 27, retain only "splash" or "Tail Whip"

Raichu : Use a static pokemon in lead to attract electric pokemon in emerald like pikachu in the R/S/E safari zone, capture 6, evolve into raichu with thunderstone, use heart scale in R/S/E or mushrooms in FR/LG to re-learn "Tail Whip", or capture level 3 pikachu in viridian forest in FR/LG and immediately evolve into raichu, and learn "Tail Whip" while deleting all other moves, clone for 5 more.

Pidgeot : Capture pidgeotto on island 5 in FR/LG, evolve at next level into pidgeot and retain only "agility" while deleting other moves.

Other pokemon that yield 3 points: Crobat, Sceptile

Lastly, let's compare with EV points yielded when doing the elite 4:

Dusclops gives 1 Def, 2 SDef

so the total for beating the emerald league is:

15 HP/22 ATK/5 Def/2 SAtk/15 SDEF/2 Spd

And for R/S, change sidney's crawdaunt into a sharpedo (gives the same EVs), drake's kingdra into flygon (+2 speed, -1 SAtk, -1 SDef), and wallace's team into steven's (which gives 2 Atk/8 Def/4 SDef), and you get:

11 HP/22 Atk/13 Def/1 SAtk/10 SDef/4 Spd

So if you need to remove any of the unwanted EVs, in Emerald you will need to use:
#21 Pomeg Berries for removing up to 10 HP points each
#22 Kelpsy Berries for removing up to 10 Attack points each
#23 Qualot Berries for removing up to 10 Defense points each
#24 Hondew Berries for removing up to 10 Sp.atk points each
#25 Grepa Berries for removing up to 10 Sp.def points each
#26 Tamato Berries for removing up to 10 Speed points each

While this guide may not be complete at this time, please let me know anything else I should include or make more clear. I hope this helps with your training.
 
Good work on the guide. I would add that the easy way to take advantage of the Exploding Secret Base Pokemon for EV training is to either teach the Pokemon you're training Protect or to switch out to a Ghost type (since all Pokemon that appeared in the battle gain the EVs).

I was going to make a secret base for each stat point but I couldn't bring myself to playing through the game 6 separate times for this singular pupose.
 
It looks like I should have posted this in the Contributions & Corrections forum. If anybody can move this topic there, I'd appreciate it.
 
Great guide! The only thing I could suggest is if you added a section on training eggs on the memento bases. I'm sure many people would be interested in being able to hatch a lvl 5 tyranitar, Dragonite or Agiligross.
 
Yes I've heard of the "pomeg glitch" and would need to find what was posted about it. I can't say I've ever tried it but I have confirmed reports that it did work.
 
Moved to C&C, nice guide but you need to work on proper capitalization a bit.

Belly Drum can be used to wear down Pokemon easily as well - I know for a fact it'd be better on Poliwrath than Snore. Let L100 Poliwrath with odd HP Belly Drum, L1 Ghastly uses Haze, repeat once, then let Gastly finish off with something retarded like Lick (Pokemon has a minimum of 1 damage for some reason).

I'd recommend Memento'ers over Exploders anyday as it's much quicker (you don't have to Protect or switch out), but if you're going to Explode, note that almost anything learns Protect and it's a buyable TM last time I checked. It has enough PP for one full session and then 4 leftover, use one PP Up to last two sessions.

The problem is Protect doesn't work reliably after using it once, so if your Pokemon isn't fast enough to Substitute its way to safety you have to switch anyway.
 
Thanks for moving the topic to here Mekkah as I appreciate that. The belly drum and haze or growl combination to get poliwrath or similar down 1 HP is definitely a clever creative way to finish them off faster especially at much higher levels.

@eric the espeon: the mudslide trick and ocean glitch were alternative ways of leveling up pokemon for those that don't have access to infinite rare candies as was such before the cloning trick was discovered back in July, 2006. This required putting the target pokemon in the daycare first.

1. Mudslide trick: in the upper part of the desert on route 111, there's a mudslide which requires using a mach bike to get up. For this glitch to work, use an acro bike and when you get to the bottom of the mudslide, use an object to hold down the up button. After about 6-8 hours, your pokemon should gain 100000 exp points.

2. Ocean glitch: in the ocean current approximately 3/4 of the way between Pacificdog town & Slateport and right before the path to the sealed chamber, there is a shallow island as shown below:
oceanglitch.png


These 2 glitches only worked in Ruby or Sapphire.
 
Expert Evan said:
@eric the espeon: the mudslide trick and ocean glitch were alternative ways of leveling up pokemon for those that don't have access to infinite rare candies as was such before the cloning trick was discovered back in July, 2006. This required putting the target pokemon in the daycare first.

1. Mudslide trick: in the upper part of the desert on route 111, there's a mudslide which requires using a mach bike to get up. For this glitch to work, use an acro bike and when you get to the bottom of the mudslide, use an object to hold down the up button. After about 6-8 hours, your pokemon should gain 100000 exp points.
cool trick

2. Ocean glitch: in the ocean current approximately 3/4 of the way between Pacificdog town & Slateport and right before the path to the sealed chamber, there is a shallow island as shown below:
oceanglitch.png


ok.. what do you do with the island? do you just go to it and get loads of exp? or do you sit next to a bolder and let the currant push you into it?
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As the yellow arrow indicates in above picture, have an object hold down on the left button as likewise with the mudslide trick, you'll keep on getting pushed back on land while trying to mach bike into the sea.
 
Sp. Attack
======================
Beautifly : Capture or breed wurmple in R/S/E, evolves randomly into dustox or beautifly, retain only "String Shot"

Sp. Defense
======================
Dustox : capture or breed wurmple in R/S/E, evolves randomly into dustox or beautifly, retain only "String Shot"
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Instead of using wurmple for these two bug types, capture 6 silcoon and 6 cascoon (or one of each and clone with emerald) in the forest (Petalburg Woods) of R/S/E and evolve them to their respective evolutions. This way you won't have to bother with evolving multiple wurmple to get the correct evolution.

I started using this method of EV training with secret bases after I read this article on serebii: http://www.serebii.net/games/quick.shtml

The article's section on EV training with secret bases in the advanced games is titled "EP training shortcuts." You have almost all of it included in this guide, but it might be helpful to look over it and add in useful information such as the cascoon/silcoon vs. wurmple for preparing for sp. atk/sp. def.

You might want to also add to the introduction that explains how to use the secret bases for EV training. It seems kind of simple, but some people might get confused if they've never used this method before.

Something like Serebii's:
You can take advantage of secret bases by having special EV bases which have a full team of a certain pokemon that provide 3 Effort Points at low levels. If you have multiple copies of Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald, you can create one base for each stat. The following shows the best pokemon for each stat and where you can obtain them:
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If you're able to get those, you have teams that provide the highest effort points at the lowest possible level. Trade them to a different cartridge and mix records so they appear in the secret base of the respective game.
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Every day you can battle the team and earn a total of 72 EPs (with macho brace and pokerus) in that stat per battle. Each time you mix records you can battle the team again, thus bypassing the one battle per day rule.

You might also want to mention that the secret base of the cart that you mix records with will appear exactly where you have it saved on that cart. So, it's convenient to set your secret base in a location that is close to a town/pokemon center when EV training. This way you won't need to travel long distances on routes or carry around an HM slave just to reach the base for EV training.

One spot I recommend using: Route 119 (left of Fortree City). Fly to Fortree City, travel left and down, on your right there will be a bush surrounded by a small amount of grass convenient for making your base.
 
My preference for catching wurmple then evolving them rather than cascoon or silcoon is based on the fact that cascoon nor silcoon can re-learn such a move like string shot which makes it not as difficult like harden for a low level physical attacker to take it down. Yes I do recall that link on Serebii few years ago when I was more active with emerald at the time.

I have updated with capitalization corrections and added about belly drum for poliwrath since it can learn it by leveling up or when both its parents know belly drum when breeding. I also added the quote FDS8488 suggested for a small introduction to the accurate EV training section. Thanks FDS8488.
 
Some advice for people who use secret base EV training, make the bases decorations spell out the intials of the EV stat in case you forget which base trains up which stat, that way if you haven't played your advanced gams in a while it's easy to refind the correct EV bases.
 
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