NOC Electoral Mafia - Game thread

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jalmont said:
I give town credit to the people who have claimed although not as much to pulsar because we know it's in pulsar's scum range to claim early. the circumstances of the claim though where it doesnt' make a lot of sense for scum!pulsar to CC means we're mostly okay with it. that said, there are worlds where it does make sense - eg the world we are in, which is mafia doesn't have a standard night kill and needs to play aggressively/not how they would normally play in order to get out strong roles.

anyways let's just we can call the following town

Miyami/tsuki/peum(mafia is never claiming a silent double voter role they just use that role to win the game lol)///////pulsar

I'm also willing to town realiti based on effort and this just generally being a more proactive realiti than I believe scum realiti would be.

so we're at 5 town + 1 town jalmont

airc I don't really get what this dude was trying to accomplish end of day 1 and they have been absent all day 2. okay I guess if they were mafia they would have just stayed on phoopes instead of doing this weird song and dance with AP.

I don't really want to get carrotman or Larry out rn but I dunno Larry has only really setup speculated this entire game, and I can't decide how I feel about carrotman not really defending themselves. so I guess I have to keep those two out of my town pool for now.

dbd defended me and AF attacked me so let's just go with DBD town and AF mafia to keep things simple

SP seems more effort than the last mafia so let's say town for now. I was going to say I'm just meh on AP but then I saw that they said we should vote me or Peum. Okay let's sort into scum pile.

okay great that leaves

af/AP/carrotman/larry - within that grouping I think AP has been sussing Larry which could be a bus but probably not so obviously something seems off about this.

we need to remember that it's within AP's scum range to set up a fake argument with a teammate. could be realiti/AP or airc/AP just off the top of my head. the difference is that other than realiti/AP pretty much any other pairing seem like it would be to set up a bus. I would expect Larry to engage more with AP if they were trying to set up a bus to boost AP's credibility but I dunno I haven't really seen that
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we can probably pretty safely add AIRC and AF to the town pile for now. this makes DBD look worse and whoever thought AIRC was mafia which as far as I can tell is nobody.

tsuki and Larry lose a lot of credibility by being around and not doing anything to contribute to figuring out who to vote which particularly hurts tsuki. in general I don't think I can drop them out of the town pool just yet

my friend liquid relief looked at their role pm and dipped so I guess they are probably mafia.

we know it's in AP's scum range to have fake arguments with teammates which Larry/AP or AP/realiti could feasibly be. something to keep in mind

so we have airc/miyami/af//peum///tsuki/pulsar//realiti + jalmont

which leaves AP/larry/dbd/shyp and I am still not convinced SHYP is any more mafia than the tsuki/pulsar/realiti grouping. then if you believe AP/larry is tvs then we have 2 mafia in the towns which is interesting. that would suggest at least one of the claimers is bad, maybe pulsar, maybe AF or airc defended carrotman for cred although I felt airc actually had valid reasoning for defending carrotman where AF was just suddenly like "yeah everyone carrot is good." I dunno, let's not overthink right now.

I feel like the three people I'm interested in voting today are AP, dbd, and larry. we know that larry was overwhelmed by this game, is that a good explanation for the end of day not doing anything? I think reality's #943 to AP is a good point. AP's vibes low key feel kind off just not as assertive as I would expect + the role claim has nothing to do with voting which makes me uneasy. but surely mafia would realize that in coming up with fakes? but not necessarily right?

back to my above point, subbing in, looking at role pm, and not posting leans mafia more than not I feel. if that means AP town then I suppose you really have to look back the many people saying AP mafia. but we'll get there later. maybe AP is just the best vote here, I'm not sure. but who exactly has been defending AP?
 
a fairy said:
i like jalmont more now that was a v good post
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the enemies to friends arc brought a tear to my eye

##vote: liquidrelief

it's kinda bizarre how not a single person in the game townreads this slot and i think they are forever in the PoE & hypothetical scum team until we get a claim

im not sure how to sort the miyami/pulsar/peum/airc protective circle because we have no way to verify if any of them can actually protect. same with AP, we have no way to verify his role especially if he keeps claiming to have missed
 
##vote: liquidrelief
jalmont said:
back to my above point, subbing in, looking at role pm, and not posting leans mafia more than not I feel. if that means AP town then I suppose you really have to look back the many people saying AP mafia. but we'll get there later. maybe AP is just the best vote here, I'm not sure. but who exactly has been defending AP?
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yeah it's hard to see how AP gets out of the PoE. im thinking we can get him to "verify" his role by having a player (preferably the fruit vendor) target another player and see if AP can block the action.

What do we all think about this?
 
Tsuki said:
For now this is between Carrtonman and AP for me, I townlean shypebble peum and jalmont, maybe maybe a fairy for now but i do think we should vote out one of the aforementioned two, as for my vote
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AngryPidgeon said:
Mostly PoE. I didnt want to target Tsuki, DbD or Airc.
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saying you didnt want to target Tsuki after tsuki scum claimed you (especially with a powerful role) is enough for me to put my vote on AP
 
Crucial we get this right this time, I'm still leaning AP, but I agree that liquidrelief's behavior doesn't look the best rn. Which do you guys think is the safest vote?

I still don't believe in the four protective roles btw, unless that is the reason why mafia can't kill somehow
 
Miyami~~~ said:
Options for why there was no kill last night
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Right in theory you and pulsar were protected last night. I wouldn't be surprised if one of you were targeted. Realiti was protected from you. You did cause pulsar to lose her vote so it does seem plausible that one of you as killed. I think regardless whether or not there is a maf in the protective claims, maf would still be motivated to kill the others.

Its also possible that no maf kill has happened yet. IDK in what game design it makes sense but that seems possible here.
 
Miyami~~~ said:
does it prevent them from being voted at all like Pulsar's does or just prevent them being killed at EOD?

I did not target Realiti last night, I targeted Pebble. So AP's role presumably didn't do anything to block a kill?
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Oh wait you didn't target pulsar, but Pebble. Pulsar lost her vote though. Oh wait no she just claimed that her target cant be voted? So pulsar targeted Miyami and Miyami targeted pebble. So it could be the case that one of these two was protected.

I'll reiterate by the math my role is unlikely to block a kill because it requires two correct targets. One of you/Realiti would have had to kill the other. If pulsar/realiti is maf then its possible that I blocked a kill from Realiti on you.
 
Miyami~~~ said:
There does have to be more to AP's role than what he's stated since as written it doesn't influence votes in any way which is the whole point of this setup
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It does. I hinted at this yesterday, but I didn't want to bother explaining something I thought was either inconsequential or maybe something that benefits mafia to know about.

The 2 people I target, the number of votes on them at the end of the day is counted as half than what it would. HOWEVER not for the sake of who is voted out, but apparently for game mechanics / roles there is a reason why this matters.
 
jalmont said:
I'm not sure. but who exactly has been defending AP?
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No one. Thats how you know Im town by the way.

##vote: liquidrelief

Obviously I think any insinuation that I'm scum with Larry/liquid is ridiculous. I don't cross bus teammates and Realiti actually knows that about me because of EGO mafia. Also the replacement showing up and continuing to take potshots at me just makes it very likely maf knows this is a 1v1 that they need to win. I don't

My reads are still mostly unchanged. Realiti/Jalmont make a huge amount of sense as a team. They are kind of tag-teaming the thread at different times and have not pressured each other at all. I don't see how Realiti is willing to write Jalmont off as town given his bonkers objectively scummy play this game. The aggressive apologizing for missing DL is a classic scumtell. I KNOW hes in another timezone but he is using that as a cover up for having voteparked on a townie and left. Now Jalmont is pivoting to joining Realiti in trying to vote me apparently though he hasn't placed a vote yet.

I think its just Jalmont/Realiti/Larry/???
 
I am not gunna be really active this day, I've spent half of it trying to find an Easter bunny for my nephew, but will try to come in and post thoughts later. Not that I can vote today anyway :>

Confident town for me rn is Miyami, a fairy, AirC, and Peum. Less confident town is AP, Realiti>>>>>Pulsar. Everyone else is POE

I think Miyami is def doc, I think AirC and Pulsar are the 1v1 on a claim basis. And if thats the case I'm more confident AirC town.
 
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