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Policy Review Evolution Project Rules Workshop

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Personally I think we should decide on alternate evolutuion or new evolution before we go ahead and pick who get's the evo. But that might be pushing the length....
 
bumfacepik said:
Personally I think we should decide on alternate evolutuion or new evolution before we go ahead and pick who get's the evo. But that might be pushing the length....
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Pombo said:
I`m sorry to ask this, but: Are split evo unallowed?
Wiverii, i agree with you, where extra would be typing, style (altaria could became both a Defensve dragon and a Speed dragon, And dragonair can become both Special dragon and defensive dragon too). It would also include moveset upgrade. Art may be at the same time, just like CAP 4 was.
Sorry for my bad english.
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tennisace0227 said:
Split evos aren't going to be allowed at first.
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From earlier.
 
I think we should have some sort of discussion thread for Typing.
I don't want to see the process delayed by having numerous "tie-breaker" polls.
So I think only the most generally excepted types should be brought to the poll.
 
omgthatkid said:
I think we should have some sort of discussion thread for Typing.
I don't want to see the process delayed by having numerous "tie-breaker" polls.
So I think only the most generally excepted types should be brought to the poll.
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Why do we need a discussion thread? Really, its going to have one type in common with it's prevo. That leaves one poll, and most people know what they want. So why should the process be dragged on for another week unnecessarily?

Edit: I'm going to give this 24 Hours before I write up a proposal, if nobody has any more major changes.
 
1. Choose the Evolution: Simply choose which pokemon should evolve.
  1. Evolution Submissions: Submissions for which pokemon should be chosen to evolve, should also give a good reason they should evolve.
  2. Evolution Poll: Voting on which pokemon should evolve. The entries placed on the poll will be determined by the entries with the best reasoning.
2. Concept: I feel this should go after the pokemon is decided, so we don't go making say... jynx in to a rapid spinner. (Terrible example, but I hope you get my point)
  1. Concept Submissions: Members of the CaE submit there concepts, should not vary too much from previous evolution.
  2. Concept Poll: Voting on the concept. With a pre-set option to keep it the same.
3. Typing: Many pokemon change secondary (or primary in a few cases) type when evolving.​
  1. Type Submissions: These shouldn't vary much from the former pokemon. Changing or adding only one type.​
  2. Type Poll: Vote on which of the submitted types seems best, with a pre-set option to keep it the same.
4. Base Stats: Every pokemon changes base stats when leveling up.
  1. Base Stat Rating Submissions: Submit which BSR you see fit.
  2. Base Stat Rating Poll: Polling on the BSR
  3. Base Stat Submissions: These should simply be changes to the prevos spread, however, some cases involving a change in type, could allow more drastic changes.
  4. Base Stat Poll: Polling on which BST seems most favourable.
5. Movepool: In many cases, pokemons movepools change when evolving, especially when a change of type has occured.
  1. Movepool discussion: should only last a day or two max.
  2. Movepool submissions: Should not vary too vastly from the previous evolution.
  3. Movepool poll: Final part of the movepool stage.
6. Ability: Plenty of pokemon gain a second ability, or even two brand new abilities when evolving.
  1. Ability Submissions: These can be fairly out there, as long as they fit in with what the pokemon does.
  2. Ability Poll: Polling on the abilities, simple as that.
7. Art: Every pokemon has a design, it'd be ridiculous if they didn't.
  1. Art Submissions: Members submit there art, should bear some resemblance to the pre-evolution.
  2. Art Poll: Polling on the art, I'd encourage voters to vote depending on resemblance and design, not the overall skill of the artist.
8. Spriting: We need graphics to display in-game don't we?
  1. Sprite Submissions: Members submit there sprite based off the winner of the art poll.
  2. Sprite Poll: Voting on the sprites.
9. Non-game effecting: Stuff like the Pokedex Entry and name, more-or-less required for the pokemon, but doesn't effect gameplay
  1. Name Submissions: These shouldn't be too hard to come up with, as most evolutions have similar names as there offspring.
  2. Name Polls: Polling on the names.
  3. Pokedex Entry Submissions: This goes after the name poll, as I believe it makes it easier for the writer of the submission.
  4. Pokedex Entry Poll: Polling on the pokedex Entries
10. Finalized:

Finally, weight, height, etc. go here, as well as playtesting.

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I wish I could've dumbed it down a bit more ._.
 
Atyroki said:

1. Choose the Evolution: Simply choose which pokemon should evolve.
  1. Evolution Submissions: Submissions for which pokemon should be chosen to evolve, should also give a good reason they should evolve.
  2. Evolution Poll: Voting on which pokemon should evolve. The entries placed on the poll will be determined by the entries with the best reasoning.
2. Concept: I feel this should go after the pokemon is decided, so we don't go making say... jynx in to a rapid spinner. (Terrible example, but I hope you get my point)
  1. Concept Submissions: Members of the CaE submit there concepts, should not vary too much from previous evolution.
  2. Concept Poll: Voting on the concept. With a pre-set option to keep it the same.
3. Typing: Many pokemon change secondary (or primary in a few cases) type when evolving.​
  1. Type Submissions: These shouldn't vary much from the former pokemon. Changing or adding only one type.​
  2. Type Poll: Vote on which of the submitted types seems best, with a pre-set option to keep it the same.
4. Base Stats: Every pokemon changes base stats when leveling up.
  1. Base Stat Rating Submissions: Submit which BSR you see fit.
  2. Base Stat Rating Poll: Polling on the BSR
  3. Base Stat Submissions: These should simply be changes to the prevos spread, however, some cases involving a change in type, could allow more drastic changes.
  4. Base Stat Poll: Polling on which BST seems most favourable.
5. Movepool: In many cases, pokemons movepools change when evolving, especially when a change of type has occured.
  1. Movepool discussion: should only last a day or two max.
  2. Movepool submissions: Should not vary too vastly from the previous evolution.
  3. Movepool poll: Final part of the movepool stage.
6. Ability: Plenty of pokemon gain a second ability, or even two brand new abilities when evolving.
  1. Ability Submissions: These can be fairly out there, as long as they fit in with what the pokemon does.
  2. Ability Poll: Polling on the abilities, simple as that.
7. Art: Every pokemon has a design, it'd be ridiculous if they didn't.
  1. Art Submissions: Members submit there art, should bear some resemblance to the pre-evolution.
  2. Art Poll: Polling on the art, I'd encourage voters to vote depending on resemblance and design, not the overall skill of the artist.
8. Spriting: We need graphics to display in-game don't we?
  1. Sprite Submissions: Members submit there sprite based off the winner of the art poll.
  2. Sprite Poll: Voting on the sprites.
9. Non-game effecting: Stuff like the Pokedex Entry and name, more-or-less required for the pokemon, but doesn't effect gameplay
  1. Name Submissions: These shouldn't be too hard to come up with, as most evolutions have similar names as there offspring.
  2. Name Polls: Polling on the names.
  3. Pokedex Entry Submissions: This goes after the name poll, as I believe it makes it easier for the writer of the submission.
  4. Pokedex Entry Poll: Polling on the pokedex Entries
10. Finalized:

Finally, weight, height, etc. go here, as well as playtesting.

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I wish I could've dumbed it down a bit more ._.
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Thats basically what I submitted on the page before. The reason I don't have concept is that the Pokemon we're evolving already have a role in the metagame. We aren't going to change that role at all, so there's no need for a concept poll, especially after you pick the Pokemon.
 
I think Stats and Movepool should be much more straightforward than these proposals. There just isn't THAT much that will change. I think for stats and movepool the process should be:

Stat Spread Submission
Everybody submits stat spreads and the community comments on the ones they like and dislike. The TL picks several that have good feedback for the poll.

Stat Spread Poll

Movepool Submission
Everybody submits movepools and the community comments on the ones they like and dislike. The TL picks several that have good feedback for the poll.

Movepool Poll


An evo project does not need all the multi-part threads for stats and movepool. One submission thread and then get straight to the poll. The basics of the pokemon's stats and movepool have already been decided. There's no reason to drag out the discussions. Good submitters will do just fine. Bad submitters will be ignored.
 
Some pokemon change roles through evolution (ie: Sycther-->Scizor, Trapinch-->Flygon, Electabuzz/Magmar--->Electivire/Magmortar).

But I think it would be appropriate to keep the roles the same, at least for the first few. Should this process actually go through.
 
With Doug's suggestion of cutting out style bias, that leaves us with:

1. Type of evolution Discussion
Topic Leader Nominations

2. Type of evolution Poll
Pokemon to be given an evolution discussion
Topic Leader Selection

3. Pokemon Poll

4. Type Poll
Stat Spread Submissions
Art Submissions

5. Stat Rating Poll

6. Stat Spread Poll

7. Art Poll

8a. Ability Discussion
Sprite Submissions

8b. Ability Poll

9a. Movepool Discussion

9b. Movepool Poll

10a. Name Discussion

10b. Name Poll

11a. Pokedex Entry Discussion

11b. Pokedex Entry Poll

12. Sprite Poll

13. Server Implementation
Finalize Analysis
Misc (Height, Weight, etc.)
Playtesting

Anything I missed?
 
Starting with a Type of Evolution Discussion seems like a recipe for trouble. I am assuming this refers to the three types of evolution - "BL to OU", "UU to OU", and "NU to OU". No one will "discuss" this. They'll just throw out names of pokemon that they think should be evolved.

Farfetch'd really needs an evo, so I think we should do an "NU to OU" evo.
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I strongly feel like UU to OU is best way to go. A Lanturn evo would be so kewl!!
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That isn't a discussion, it's a big mess. Just start with the Type of Evolution Poll -- a click poll FOR SURE -- and then have a discussion about the specific pokemon in that tier. Even that discussion will be a bit of a mess, but at least the pool of pokemon will be reduced. That first dicussion in your sequence is not going to do any good.
 
Hopefully final draft:

1. Type of Evolution Poll
Pokemon to be given an evolution discussion
Topic Leader Nominations

2. Pokemon Poll
Topic Leader Selection

3. Type Poll
Stat Spread Submissions
Art Submissions

4. Stat Rating Poll

5. Stat Spread Poll

6. Art Poll

7a. Ability Discussion
Sprite Submissions

7b. Ability Poll

8a. Movepool Discussion

8b. Movepool Poll

9a. Name Discussion

9b. Name Poll

10a. Pokedex Entry Discussion

10b. Pokedex Entry Poll

11. Sprite Poll

12. Server Implementation
Finalize Analysis
Misc (Height, Weight, etc.)
Playtesting

Anything else I missed?
 
I think what tennis is getting at with "type of evolution" is more along
the lines of "trade" "Stone" "Level Up"

As these can cause a change in the movepool.
 
Atyroki said:
I think what tennis is getting at with "type of evolution" is more along
the lines of "trade" "Stone" "Level Up"

As these can cause a change in the movepool.
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No, I was referencing Doug's type of evo thing from a few pages back. We aren't going to do anything fancy like that just yet.
 
Will we even consider for now evolving things such as Spinda (60 all around), Unown (no need to explain), Sunflora (has already evolved using a Stone), Dragonair (alternative evo) and Lunatone (should be evolved along with Solrock, imo)? Just want to know.

Besides that, I have no problems with tennis' suggestion, of course.
 
Hyra said:
Tenniss, duh? I don't think anyone else is better for the job.
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Tennis doesn't want to run the CaPE project, but I believe that they was talk on the server that it would be either me or you that run this thing. I just wondering is if it possible for a former TL to run a different CAP related project?
 
Arael said:
Will we even consider for now evolving things such as Spinda (60 all around), Unown (no need to explain), Sunflora (has already evolved using a Stone), Dragonair (alternative evo) and Lunatone (should be evolved along with Solrock, imo)? Just want to know.

Besides that, I have no problems with tennis' suggestion, of course.
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Too complex at first. Lets keep it simple for the first couple.

Also, tennis wants TL of CaP5, but if THAT many people want me to run it, I'll put my name in I guess. However, this will be exactly like the regular project, I want to run against other people. There will be a submission thread at the same time as the regular CaP one.
 
Let's keep this topic on track. There will be a thread for nominating the TL when the time comes. And there is a process for the TL to be selected. This isn't the place for discussing either.

I want evo projects staggered with the CAP projects. The next CAP will be cranking up soon (TL nominations, etc.). So the evo project will likely start a few weeks after that. We need to look at the different schedules and figure out the best time to intersect the projects. I don't want similar activities going on at the same time between two projects.

Also, I don't want to abbreviate the evo project with "CAPE". It's too similar to CAP and might cause confusion if we have a "CAP 5" and "CAPE 1" going on at the same time. I'm thinking we should just call them "Evolution Projects" or "EVO" for short. In casual conversation, "EVO" is much easier to differentiate than "CAPE". Three capital letters is a little misleading, since it's not really an acronym, it's an abbreviation. But, prepending "EVO # -" to all the project threads seems more consistent with "CAP # -", than "Evo # -".
 
I say intersect them after the movepool completely wraps up. The movepool is the last competitive part of the project, and anything after that is just flavor; the Name, the Pokedex entries, and the Sprite.

Edit: That would work vice-versa too. It would also stop all the whiners that whine about not having anything to work on.
 
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