That's why I mentioned it's too bad he doesn't have enough bulk. I'm just digging for something besides U-Turn *cough* Hydreigon *cough* that makes Flygon superior.
-Zane
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That's why I mentioned it's too bad he doesn't have enough bulk. I'm just digging for something besides U-Turn *cough* Hydreigon *cough* that makes Flygon superior.
-Zane
Has Screech Flygon been tested? I'd imagine that Screech / Roost / Earthquake / U-Turn with hazards could prove quite useful - lower the defense of whatever comes into you to force their switch, forcing hazards while U-Turning to a counter to capitalize on their switch. Earthquake let's you have some power while U-Turn allows you to break balloons while going to a counter.
Another option is SubRoost - the other dragons capable of doing this are either hazard weak or lack a STAB Earthquake to hit steels with. Sub / Roost / Toxic / Earthquake.
Another option is SubRoost - the other dragons capable of doing this are either hazard weak or lack a STAB Earthquake to hit steels with. Sub / Roost / Toxic / Earthquake.
I am getting around to testing it.
SubRoost is handy, but I keep asking myself: Are 80 / 80 / 80 defenses enough to do the job. Screech can't be compiled with it to force switches so it can Sub (well, it could) because then Flygon has only one moveslot left at that point.
It might take too much damage before it can even think about Subbing.
I wouldn't recommend Screech + Sub, but there are definitely pokemon Flygon can threaten, allowing you to Sub or Roost on the switch. Just think about how SubRoost Zapdos works - the speed allows it to Roost/sub stall while Toxic wears away the pokemon. It has bulk, but not so much of it to be honest.
And Flygon still has resistances to Ground, Electric, Fire, and Rock all in one. Definitely useable on a Subroost set, which testing will hopefully show. It does it better than any other dragon, IMO.
I must say, your opinion has moved me. It does have the ability to switch into a large variety of attacks.
Regarding Screech + Substitute: Yeah, it doesn't work ALL the time, but it sure can be a threat to unsuspecting Pokemon.
Yeah i'm sorry but i'm rejecting Flygon. Its terrible in this metagame. Sure it can outspeed the new dragons, but neither of them are key players in this metagame. Furthermore Garchomp can do the exact same thing, but with tons more power. Flygon itself is extremely weak (base 100 atk just doesn't cut it) Access to levitate is not enough to differentiate him from Garchomp. Sorry this gets a no from me.
Edit: A man in Black basically covered everything else.
QC Rejected (1/3)
Edit: A man in Black basically covered everything else.
QC Rejected (1/3)
I think that it should also be notted that Landorus also seriously hurts Flyogn's chances of getting any use. He also gets U-Turn and an immunity to Spikes and Stealth Rock, but he also beats Flygon in every stat, has tons more power, a much better ability due to his already great typing, and has much better mixed stats. Flygon has Dragon STAB and a slightly better movepool over Landorus.
Yeah, I think that Landours+Garchomp is really the final nail in the coffin for Flygon.
Yeah, I think that Landours+Garchomp is really the final nail in the coffin for Flygon.
Hm, I guess it can't be helped. The Screech set proved only slightly helpful when tested. It could do well in UU, maybe.
PK and A Man in Black covered it nicely. Unfortunately, Flygon has a hard time differentiating itself from Landorus and its dragon brethren in OU. Flygon's main flaw is that it's weak. It lacks the needed power to pose a significant threat in this metagame.
Landorus is strong, faster, has a more powerful STAB EQ (especially under sand), has U-turn, and more importantly, can use HP Ice to bypass Gliscor, who walls Flygon to hell and back. Garchomp is also stronger and can pull off a deadly SD set, while performing better as a user of Choice Scarf / Choice Band. Flygon also faces competition from Latios, Latias, and even Hydreigon.
In the end, Flygon's lackluster 100 base Attack just doesn't cut it when players have the option of using the aforementioned Pokemon, especially since most of them can run the same sets as Flygon, but perform them better. Sorry, but I'll have to reject this.
QC REJECTED (2/3)
Landorus is strong, faster, has a more powerful STAB EQ (especially under sand), has U-turn, and more importantly, can use HP Ice to bypass Gliscor, who walls Flygon to hell and back. Garchomp is also stronger and can pull off a deadly SD set, while performing better as a user of Choice Scarf / Choice Band. Flygon also faces competition from Latios, Latias, and even Hydreigon.
In the end, Flygon's lackluster 100 base Attack just doesn't cut it when players have the option of using the aforementioned Pokemon, especially since most of them can run the same sets as Flygon, but perform them better. Sorry, but I'll have to reject this.
QC REJECTED (2/3)
