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Art by RavioliQueen
Derived from Megamons, previous iterations of Megamons by Chloe, Halliday & Whydon
Welcome to Formemons! Formemons is a metagame where alternate Formes of existing Pokemon can be used directly and without any restrictions! This includes Megas, Primals, Origin formes, Ogerpon formes, and more! There is also no limit to the number of such Pokemon you can use, including for Mega Evolutions! Life Orb Mega Mewtwo Y? Choice Scarf Primal Kyogre? Leftovers Giratina-Origin? Colbur Berry Mega Slowbro? These are just some of the many possibilities in this diverse metagame.
Art by RavioliQueen
Derived from Megamons, previous iterations of Megamons by Chloe, Halliday & Whydon
Rules:
Mechanic: Alternate Formes of existing Pokemon can be used directly without any restrictions, being treated like regular Pokemon. The limit on the number of Mega Evolutions is also removed. More specifically, the following can be used (not accounting for bans):
Mega Evolutions - Useable without Mega Stone (Dragon Ascent for Rayquaza), unlimited number, do not need to undergo Mega Evolution
Abomasnow, Altaria, Ampharos, Banette, Blastoise, Blaziken, Camerupt, Charizard X, Charizard Y, Diancie, Gallade, Garchomp, Gardevoir, Gengar, Glalie, Gyarados, Heracross, Houndoom, Latias, Latios, Lucario, Medicham, Metagross, Mewtwo X, Mewtwo Y, Rayquaza, Sableye, Salamence, Sceptile, Scizor, Slowbro, Swampert, Tyranitar, Venusaur
Primal Reversions - Useable without Red/Blue Orb, do not need to undergo Primal Reversion
Groudon, Kyogre
Origin Formes - Useable without transformation item
Dialga, Giratina, Palkia
Ogerpon - All non-Terastal formes useable without the proper Mask
Necrozma-Ultra - Useable without Ultranecrozium Z, does not need to undergo Ultra Burst. See FAQ
Greninja-Ash - Useable without needing to KO a Pokemon. See FAQ
Eevee/Pikachu-Starter(Partner) - Useable
Abomasnow, Altaria, Ampharos, Banette, Blastoise, Blaziken, Camerupt, Charizard X, Charizard Y, Diancie, Gallade, Garchomp, Gardevoir, Gengar, Glalie, Gyarados, Heracross, Houndoom, Latias, Latios, Lucario, Medicham, Metagross, Mewtwo X, Mewtwo Y, Rayquaza, Sableye, Salamence, Sceptile, Scizor, Slowbro, Swampert, Tyranitar, Venusaur
Primal Reversions - Useable without Red/Blue Orb, do not need to undergo Primal Reversion
Groudon, Kyogre
Origin Formes - Useable without transformation item
Dialga, Giratina, Palkia
Ogerpon - All non-Terastal formes useable without the proper Mask
Necrozma-Ultra - Useable without Ultranecrozium Z, does not need to undergo Ultra Burst. See FAQ
Greninja-Ash - Useable without needing to KO a Pokemon. See FAQ
Eevee/Pikachu-Starter(Partner) - Useable
Bans: Calyrex-Shadow, Gengar-Mega, Miraidon, Moody, King's Rock, Razor Fang, Baton Pass
Terastal Clause
Rayquaza-Mega
Rayquaza-Mega
| Date | |
|---|---|
| Mar 12, 2025 | Meta created with initial banlist |
| Mar 15, 2025 | Miraidon quickbanned |
| Mar 18, 2025 | Species Clause replaced with Forme Clause |
Many alternate formes, such as Ultra Necrozma, Primals, and certain Mega Evolutions, were previously completely unusable formes in the current generation, but are now useable directly with a free item slot. Coupled with generally high BST and good abilities, the vast majority of these become competitive with some of the strongest Pokemon this generation. Regular strong Pokemon such as Koraidon, Zacian-C, and Arceus formes can also still be very relevant with their Speed tiers or bulk.
Many alternate formes are offensive powerhouses. Primal Groudon is able to further bolster its offensive potential with Choice or boosting items, or it can opt for increased longevity with items like Leftovers. Mega Mewtwo Y can get additional power from Life Orb or Choice Specs, or opt for Choice Scarf to outspeed even the likes of Choice Scarf Koraidon. Mega Rayquaza doesn't get too much more, but it benefits from immediate Delta Stream on switch-in, while specially offensive sets can choose to forgo Dragon Ascent if they want.
Alternate formes also introduce several defensive presences. Mega Altaria has an amazing typing to check threats like Koraidon and has access to the coveted Defog. Mega Slowbro has enormous physical bulk to potentially check Primal Groudon and Mega Salamence. Mega Tyranitar can increase its longevity with Leftovers or boost its special bulk to crazy levels with Assault Vest to tackle dangerous Pokemon like Mega Rayquaza and Mega Mewtwo Y.
Regular Ubers-level Pokemon can still be highly relevant. Koraidon and Zacian-C still have excellent Speed tiers and high damage outputs to remain as top-tier threats. Ho-Oh can keep up with the increased power level to act as a solid defensive pivot with Regenerator.
While not many hazard removal options are added outside of Mega Altaria, Magic Bounce Megas such as Mega Diancie and Mega Sableye can help combat entry hazards. Giratina-O now has the option to run an item like Leftovers to increase its longevity and reliability in removing hazards.
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zastraFAQ:
Q: What alternate formes can I not use?
A: Alternate formes of Pokemon that are not in the Scarlet Violet dex cannot be used. A complete list of unusable Megas:
Absol
Aerodactyl
Aggron
Alakazam
Audino
Beedrill
Kangaskhan
Lopunny
Manectric
Mawile
Pidgeot
Pinsir
Sharpedo
Steelix
Aerodactyl
Aggron
Alakazam
Audino
Beedrill
Kangaskhan
Lopunny
Manectric
Mawile
Pidgeot
Pinsir
Sharpedo
Steelix
Mimikyu-Busted
Cramorant-Gulping
Cramorant-Gorging Zacian-Crowned
Zamazenta-Crowned
Eiscue-Noice
Morpeko-Hangry
Meloetta-Pirouette
Minior-Meteor
Palafin-Hero
Ogerpon-All-Tera
Terapagos-Terastal
Terapagos-StellarQ: Why can't Arceus formes hold a different item?
A: Arceus must run Multitype, meaning that if it does not run a Plate then Multitype will set its type to Normal.
Q: How does Necrozma-Ultra work?
A: Necrozma-Ultra inherits its movepool depending on which Necrozma-forme it is based from, so it's moveset must validate for either Necrozma-Dusk-Mane or Necrozma-Dawn Wings. i.e. you cannot mix moves by running both Moongeist Beam and Sunsteel Strike.
Q: Why does Battle Bond not work?
A: While Greninja-Ash is useable directly, Battle Bond is hard coded to the base Greninja forme and does not proc for Greninja-Ash. Greninja-Ash's Water Shuriken is however set to the 20 BP 3 hits variant.
Q: Why can't Zacian-Crowned learn Behemoth Blade?
A: Run Iron Head, it will automatically transform into Behemoth Blade in game.
Q: Can you Knock Off items attached to the alternate Forme Pokemon?
A: Yes, as long as it's an item that could regularly be removed via Knock Off.
Q: Which Pokemon can Terastallize?
A: Since Megas and Primals are not undergoing their respective mechanic, all Pokemon can use Terastallization.
Q: Any known bugs?
A: Pikachu and Eevee-S cannot learn any DLC TMs.
Resources:
• XY Megamons Thread
• ORAS Megamons Thread
• USUM Megamons Thread
This format is playable through Gen 9 Formemons
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Here's your 30 speed Aurora Veil setter bro. Maybe if you face a team without Rayquaza, Koraidon, or either of the Primals, you might even be able to use it.
It has great hair.
Funy camel.
100% worse than Koraidon, Groudon-Primal, and others.
Also worse than Groudon-Primal and Ho-oh. The competition for a Fire-type in this is really fierce.
It doesn’t really have much to distinguish it from other mons with better stats like MMX or Koraidon. Even Mewtwo gets Knock Off now. 
Gardevoir-Mega is kinda cool, but it seems like it would struggle with common Fairy resists. It's also pretty slow and just outstatted by monsters like MMY and Necrozma-Ultra.
Doesn't really fit well into the lead metagame at all.
I can see this mon cutting a tiny niche as a dragon dancer. It can bypass Unaware like other good DDers (NDM, Kyurem-B, Ultra Necrozma) but it has a much better matchup against Skeledirge and Sableye-Mega with Foul Play.
It's a really slow breaker and doesn't handle some physically bulky mons well at all. Doesn't offer anything.
It’s a Fire type that easily blows through Groudon-Primal with Solar Power! But it’s also frail with middling speed, vulnerable to hazards, gets worn down easily, easily sponged by Ho-oh, Eternatus, others… I don’t see it being any good.
Latios-Mega is probably viable too. It definitely has less of a niche though when it faces such strong competition in MMY and its own sister. I'd say Latios-Mega fits best as a mid-speed Scarfer that can revenge some unboosted offensive threats and Trick a scarf off on defensive mons. It distinguishes itself from scarf MMY with Levitate and a pivoting move allowing it to easily enter when Spikes are up. It really struggles to take out a healthy Zacian-C though which is a bummer, but it might be worth considering.
Although it has great raw power, it can't really compete with Koraidon, Lucario-Mega, or MMX. It's a lot slower, frail like Lucario-Mega but doesn't have good priority like it, and the extra power doesn't really make enough of a difference.
I think there's probably something it can do that's unique. It’s a more offensive oriented alternative to NDM for teams that also want a decent priority option to take on sweepers. It’s also less of an “all-in” sweeper than Zacian-C and has a good speed stat for playing as a breaker. It can Knock Off, trick a CB, and has pretty good coverage but struggles with Groudon-Primal no matter what. Still seems cool to play around with… ID+BP seems like a fun gimmick. Also, it has strong priority while resisting opposing Extreme Speed, like Lucario-Mega. Just because of that it could be relevant to not lose to opposing Rayquaza-Mega.
It doesn’t really check anything defensively here, besides Zacian-C, but there are better options if that’s your goal. Some even have recovery. It’s definitely not going to cut it as a sweeper in this format either, being very slow and struggling with common mons.
With weather being so temperamental, I don't see this being too excellent as a sweeper, but at least it threatens Groudon-Primal. As a bulky pivot, it doesn't really seem like it could measure up compared to bulkier mons. Groudon-Primal is just such strong competition for any sort of Ground type. I doubt it will really accomplish much.
Surprisingly, I think this mon could be viable if you want to compress a tera check to Koraidon (Tera Fairy + Thick Fat lets it live even +2 Tera Fire Flare Blitz) that also can come in on Kyogre-Primal once and is generally able to spread around passive damage with Leech Seed, Sludge Bomb, or Knock Off. Usually clicking Sleep Powder will be the most necessary in order to not lose, though. Synthesis is a real mixed bag as it punishes you for clicking it against a Kyogre-Primal that stays in.
I don't think any of the Ogerpon forms really have the stats to accomplish much in here. Losing the mask also means losing 1.2x on all your moves.
Same here.
If they still got access to Embody Aspect when they Tera'd, maybe Ogerpon-Hearthflame could accomplish something, but I doubt it.
Eevee :)
Okay, so… Light Ball works on this, right? And it does have a competitive speed tier at 120. Here’s a calc I found interesting…+2 252 SpA Light Ball Tera Grass Pikachu Grass Knot (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Groudon-Primal: 420-495 (103.9 - 122.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO. Obliterated
