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Honestly Cloyster has so many options here it's not even funny. Chilling Water turns you into an absurd physical wall, especially with Tera; Body Slam gives you an 84% chance to paralyze; I refuse to do the math on Razor Shell but it's probably real silly. I mean, 50% of the time Razor Shell gives you four hits against a -1 defense mon, and 25% of the time it gives you three hits against a -2.
Cloyster @ icebeam
Ability: Skill Link
Tera Type: Water
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Icicle Spear
- Rock Blast
- Shell Smash
- Waterfall
40% chance to freeze with Icicle Spear or Rock Blast. Have fun!
Seriously though, if this thing gets off a Shell Smash then all counterplay goes out the window. It outspeeds and if you don’t die immediately then there’s a 40% chance it just goes “RNG go brrrr hehe” and freezes you and then your counterplay is no longer counterplay.
Trying to wrap your head around Pop Bomb damage rolls is a fool's errand, so I just gave up and ran some simulations. Crunch gives it an average BP of around 240, whereas it normally has around 175 when you factor in the chance to miss. It's really high-variance though; 25% of the time you're getting something like 60-70bp or lower, and 33% of the time you're getting 120bp or lower. Still though, Bite gives you something like a 72% chance to flinch, and if you do land the flinch you're getting another chance to use the move, so the overall damage is going to be a lot higher than with Crunch. Overall though I think Pop Bomb looks kind of gimmicky and unreliable, like it is in pretty much every format :( At least you don't have to worry about Rocky Helmet here...
yeah, Pop Bomb is inconsistent, Bite would definitely be better in the item slot if flinching moves were allowed in the item slot, Rocky helmet not being a major issue is definitely helpful since otherwise it hard shuts down Maushold. Maushold could also use Trailblaze in its item slot, but speed is one thing the mice don't lack
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Firstly, you mention "the main function of stab-mons" - this is not STABmons, this is fortemons. Two completely different OMs. Second, Trick FAILS 100% of the time if either Pokemon is using a forte because the forte becomes an unremovable Mail item in battle. This also affects Knock Off - you can use it, but its damage will always be a non boosted 65 against a target with a forte. So your set and your entire premise is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the meta.
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Adding to this, “a Dark-type or a Ghost-type”, since Ghost-type Pokémon are immune to the Fighting-type Circle Throw.Another round of votes for you all.. Here are the results
Serene Grace and Riolu are banned and Spit Up is restricted in Fortemons
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Short explanation but both Spit Up an Serene Grace are broken in their current state. That said, we are not entirely sure if they are working as intended (which they'd need to be banned anyways), or if there is a bug somewhere that is causing their current effects. Spit Up doesn't reset Stockpile stacks after you use an attack, giving you permenant 300BP on all your attacks until you switchout, and Serene Grace odds continuously increase until you eventually get a 100% activation rate.
Riolu was banned for its ability to cycle Copycat with Circle Throw being applied to all of its attacks, giving it the ability to potentially infinitely loop your opponent unless they had their own priority or were a Dark type. This was preferable to any hits to Circle Throw or Prankser, as Riolu is the only abuser of this.
tagging Kris to implement
Ghosts could check Riolu conditionally. If Riolu managed to Copycat an attack that wasn't Normal or Fighting, then it could still phase a Ghost-type out since Circle Throw in the item slot only requires the copied attack to connect.
Tera Blast only changes category after Terastalization, not before, so this set wouldn't work as intended.
Roaring Moon @ Tera Blast
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 220 Atk / 36 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Draco Meteor
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake / Fire Blast / Flamethrower
- Hydro Pump / Hurricane / U-turn
Tera blast means that Roaring Moon’s weirdly diverse special movepool can now be put to work on the physical side, spamming Draco Meteors that don’t drop the stat it uses and after Tera becomes a devastating Steel type move to hit all the fairies that threaten it. The Evs are for the max attack boost while still getting a speed increase in sun.
All moves become steel after the Tera so will have to get rid of the resists before you go on the sweep, especially with the defensive stalwarts running around.
