theres no way that evasion stuff isnt banned
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OM FRLG OU
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Oh thank you very much this will make the tournament a lot more playable
because normally soundproof is banned. skarm cant have both whirlwind and drill peck, so to avoid revealing that you dont have peck, normally, roar is used
https://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen3frlgou-2576744479-b52b0groj8wvme5fcsp888tkufgcxwhpw
ask yourself if this is the meta you want to see in the world
ask yourself if this is the meta you want to see in the world
Agenda posting zzz. I mean, yeah, you're gonna lose if you switch a slept mon in and kick back while your opponent sets up lol
I have been enjoying the ladder so I have brought a gift:
I noticed there wasn't a VR, so I made a tiermaker so people can make their own. This has all FE mons as well as a couple NFE mons, so it should also work for any lower tiers or playthrough discussions people might want to do. Just click me! I will be posting my own personal VR later, there is still a ton that I want to test.
good luck in the tournament everyone, wish I could have joined
I noticed there wasn't a VR, so I made a tiermaker so people can make their own. This has all FE mons as well as a couple NFE mons, so it should also work for any lower tiers or playthrough discussions people might want to do. Just click me! I will be posting my own personal VR later, there is still a ton that I want to test.
good luck in the tournament everyone, wish I could have joined
i think stating the opinion of disliking baton pass meta is not unreasonable
i also dislike speed pass
Thank you for this resource!
Yes, I like it. Seems like you got outplayed and you lost because of it.
Would I prefer to always win even if I do get outplayed? Sure. Winning is nice. But I can settle for a fair metagame where getting outplayed can get you a loss.
I've used a team like this a few times and I like it.
Even without using Magneton it does decent against Skarmory. Vaporeon with +2 Speed Roars Skarmory out, Jolteon can either Roar or Thunder (which 1HKOs if Jolteon is Modest with 208 SpA), Venonat Sleep Powders, Mr. Mime Taunts, and after a Belly Drum Marowak 1HKOs with Focus Punch.
And if Skarmory opts for Roar instead of Whirlwind (which it seems most do) any Baton Passer can use Mr. Mime's Soundproof.
As for Marowak's spread, I think 208 HP / 80 Atk / 220 Spe ; Jolly is good.
With this spread Earthquake at +4 has 50% chance to 1HKO +Def Natured Cloyster with 252 HP EVs and 252 Def EVs and Focus Punch at +4 1HKOs Skarmory.
And with this spread Marowak without Substitute can set up in front of Jolly Tyranitar with 252 Atk EVs and survive Brick Brick, Rock Slide, and Earthquake while Tyranitar's Focus Punch only has a 93.8% to kill.
It also grants odd HP which is nice when you Belly Drum from full HP.
We're talking about banning King's Rock in the Discord. It's mostly used on Dugtrio with Beat Up. Gives about a 47% chance of flinch, which is really annoying
Venonat is missing from the tiermaker. Venonat is worth having because he's arguably better than Venomoth due to Compound Eyes making him better on BP-chains.
King’s Rock has been banned
Ban thick club ong
If you have gotten top 10 on ladder at any point since 4/8 and want to submit your VR for a community VR after the month is over (and the tourney is done) just send it my way, either in DM or in the Discord. Make sure to confirm it's your account. Also OU tier is live (will be updated when the month is over and usage stats/win %s are in the stats).
Thank you to everyone for the amazing ladder month! I didn't get as many games in as I had hoped, but I hope everyone enjoyed it. Usage stats have been posted since 5/1 and I have modified the viable Pokemon list to reflect the 1760 Glicko order. A few Pokemon were left out at my discretion like Mantine and Moltres. The cutoff was Blastoise (42nd most used mon) and below (roughly 1%). I was being generous. I will update the official builder some time this week. Also, remember to send me your VRs!
Prettified:
- Alphabetised by contributor
- Added link to contributor profile
- Sprites added for ease of visual distinguishment
:tyranitar::zapdos::quagsire::aerodactyl::gengar::skarmory: El Quagsico by f1anky0
:dragonite::jolteon::machamp::starmie::snorlax::magneton: The Ladderers by jimmy the card
:butterfree::zapdos::hitmontop::starmie::snorlax::omastar: Butterfree's Controversial Carnival by jimmy the card
:tyranitar::donphan::quagsire::starmie::vileplume::skarmory: Curse Quag Spike Stall by Joaf
:tyranitar::jolteon::aerodactyl::golduck::heracross::skarmory: JoltAero Spikes Offense by Joaf
:tyranitar::donphan::gengar::starmie::blissey::skarmory: TSS Donphan by KingGojira
:slowbro::donphan::steelix::gyarados::snorlax::magneton: Slowbro Semi-Stall by Scally_Wagon
:gyarados::donphan::machamp::golduck::blissey::magneton: MagPhanDuck by surfnWOB
:tyranitar::zapdos::quagsire::starmie::blissey::skarmory: TSS by Sylveon HRT
:tyranitar::jolteon::charizard::golduck::snorlax::cloyster: JoltLax by Sylveon HRT
:jynx::jolteon::machamp::golduck::gengar::tyranitar: Jynx Spikeless HO by Sylveon HRT
:tyranitar::dragonite::quagsire::tauros::snorlax::magneton: Mag PhysOff by Yak Attack
:rs/scizor::rs/charizard::rs/dragonite::rs/jolteon::rs/zapdos::rs/alakazam::rs/exeggutor::rs/tyranitar::rs/venusaur::rs/heracross::rs/vaporeon::rs/golduck::rs/quagsire::rs/gyarados::rs/kingdra::rs/snorlax:
FRLG (FireRed/LeafGreen) OU
Art by TheBaker
Posted with the blessing of goldmason and Joaf
FRLG (FireRed/LeafGreen) OU
Art by TheBaker
Posted with the blessing of goldmason and Joaf
FRLG OU is an Other Metagame where only Pokemon, moves, and items obtainable in FireRed/LeafGreen are usable. Join the Discord here!
Council:
- :tauros: Yak Attack
- :mankey: bydy
- :butterfree: jimmy the card (Toasty)
- :scizor: KingGojira
- :slowpoke: Scally_Wagon
Ban History:
31/03/26
— LEGAL: SpeedPass :scizor::jolteon:
— LEGAL: Soundproof :mr-mime:
— LEGAL: TrapPass :ariados:
05/04/26
— BANNED: Sand Veil :sandslash:
11/04/26
— BANNED: King's Rock :kings-rock:
Banned Pokemon:
— :Deoxys-Attack: Deoxys-Attack
— :Deoxys-Defense: Deoxys-Defense
— :Ho-Oh: Ho-Oh
— :Lugia: Lugia
— :Mewtwo: Mewtwo
— :Sandslash: Sandslash
— :Wobbuffet: Wobbuffet
— :Wynaut: Wynaut
— :entei::raikou::suicune: Moreover, due to the Roaming Pokemon IV Glitch, Entei, Raikou, and Suicune must run fixed IVs.
Missing Items:
— :choice-band: Choice Band
— :salac-berry: Salac Berry
— :liechi-berry: Liechi Bery
— :petaya-berry: Petaya Berry
— :white-herb: White Herb
:bright-powder: Bright Powder
:light-ball: Light Ball
:scope-lens: Scope Lens
:shell-bell: Shell Bell
:figy-berry: Figy Berry
:wiki-berry: Wiki Berry
:mago-berry: Mago Berry
:aguav-berry: Aguav Berry
:ganlon-berry: Ganlon Berry
:apicot-berry: Apicot Berry
:lansat-berry: Lansat Berry
:starf-berry: Starf Berry
:light-ball: Light Ball
:scope-lens: Scope Lens
:shell-bell: Shell Bell
:figy-berry: Figy Berry
:wiki-berry: Wiki Berry
:mago-berry: Mago Berry
:aguav-berry: Aguav Berry
:ganlon-berry: Ganlon Berry
:apicot-berry: Apicot Berry
:lansat-berry: Lansat Berry
:starf-berry: Starf Berry
Sample Teams:
:tyranitar::zapdos::quagsire::aerodactyl::gengar::skarmory: El Quagsico by f1anky0
:dragonite::jolteon::machamp::starmie::snorlax::magneton: The Ladderers by jimmy the card
:butterfree::zapdos::hitmontop::starmie::snorlax::omastar: Butterfree's Controversial Carnival by jimmy the card
:tyranitar::donphan::quagsire::starmie::vileplume::skarmory: Curse Quag Spike Stall by Joaf
:tyranitar::jolteon::aerodactyl::golduck::heracross::skarmory: JoltAero Spikes Offense by Joaf
:tyranitar::donphan::gengar::starmie::blissey::skarmory: TSS Donphan by KingGojira
:slowbro::donphan::steelix::gyarados::snorlax::magneton: Slowbro Semi-Stall by Scally_Wagon
:gyarados::donphan::machamp::golduck::blissey::magneton: MagPhanDuck by surfnWOB
:tyranitar::zapdos::quagsire::starmie::blissey::skarmory: TSS by Sylveon HRT
:tyranitar::jolteon::charizard::golduck::snorlax::cloyster: JoltLax by Sylveon HRT
:jynx::jolteon::machamp::golduck::gengar::tyranitar: Jynx Spikeless HO by Sylveon HRT
:tyranitar::dragonite::quagsire::tauros::snorlax::magneton: Mag PhysOff by Yak Attack
Speed Tiers:
| Final Speed | Pokémon | Base Speed | Nature | EVs | Boost |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 590 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/heracross: Heracross | 85 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 574 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 568 | :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 538 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/heracross: Heracross | 85 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 524 | :rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath | 70 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 522 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 518 | :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 502 | :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 486 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 478 | :rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath | 70 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 458 | :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 442 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 436 | :rs/azumarill: Azumarill | 50 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 430 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | +Spe | 252 | +1 |
| 426 | :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | +Spe | 252 | +1 |
| 414 | :rs/marowak: Marowak | 45 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 412 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/heracross: Heracross | 85 | Neutral | 0 | +2 |
| 398 | :rs/azumarill: Azumarill | 50 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 396 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 0 | +2 |
| 394 | :rs/jolteon: Jolteon / :rs/aerodactyl: Aerodactyl | 130 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 392 | :rs/rhydon: Rhydon | 40 | +Spe | 252 | +2 |
| 392 | :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | Neutral | 0 | +2 |
| 391 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 252 | +1 |
| 388 | :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | Neutral | 252 | +1 |
| 372 | :rs/dugtrio: Dugtrio / :rs/alakazam: Alakazam | 120 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 364 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | +Spe | 252 | +1 |
| 361 | :rs/starmie: Starmie | 115 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 359 | :rs/jolteon: Jolteon / :rs/aerodactyl: Aerodactyl | 130 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 358 | :rs/rhydon: Rhydon | 40 | Neutral | 252 | +2 |
| 350 | :rs/gengar: Gengar / :rs/tauros: Tauros / :rs/jumpluff: Jumpluff | 110 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 339 | :rs/dugtrio: Dugtrio / :rs/alakazam: Alakazam | 120 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 332 | :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 0 | +2 |
| 331 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 252 | +1 |
| 329 | :rs/starmie: Starmie | 115 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 328 | :rs/charizard: Charizard / :rs/ninetales: Ninetales / :rs/zapdos: Zapdos | 100 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 319 | :rs/gengar: Gengar / :rs/tauros: Tauros / :rs/jumpluff: Jumpluff | 110 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 317 | :rs/arcanine: Arcanine / :rs/jynx: Jynx | 95 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 316 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 0 | +2 |
| 306 | :rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres | 90 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 299 | :rs/charizard: Charizard / :rs/ninetales: Ninetales / :rs/zapdos: Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 297 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 0 | +1 |
| 296 | :rs/jolteon: Jolteon / :rs/aerodactyl: Aerodactyl | 130 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 295 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra | 85 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 294 | :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | Neutral | 0 | +1 |
| 289 | :rs/arcanine: Arcanine / :rs/jynx: Jynx | 95 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 287 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 284 | :rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 280 | :rs/blastoise: Blastoise | 78 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 279 | :rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres | 90 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 276 | :rs/dugtrio: Dugtrio / :rs/alakazam: Alakazam | 120 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 269 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 266 | :rs/starmie: Starmie | 115 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 262 | :rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop: | 70 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 261 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 259 | :rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 256 | :rs/gengar: Gengar / :rs/tauros: Tauros / :rs/jumpluff: Jumpluff | 110 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 255 | :rs/blastoise: Blastoise | 78 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 251 | :rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 243 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 240 | :rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon2 | 60 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 239 | :rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop: | 70 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 237 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 0 | +1 |
| 236 | :rs/charizard: Charizard / :rs/ninetales: Ninetales / :rs/zapdos: Zapdos | 100 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 229 | :rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey | 55 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 229 | :rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 226 | :rs/arcanine: Arcanine / :rs/jynx: Jynx | 95 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 221 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 219 | :rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon2 | 60 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 218 | :rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan | 50 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 216 | :rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres | 90 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 209 | :rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey | 55 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 207 | :rs/marowak: Marowak | 45 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 206 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra | 85 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 199 | :rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan | 50 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 198 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 196 | :rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 196 | :rs/rhydon: Rhydon | 40 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 194 | :rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres | 90 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 192 | :rs/blastoise: Blastoise | 78 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 189 | :rs/marowak: Marowak | 45 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 185 | :rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra | 85 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 185 | :rs/quagsire: Quagsire | 35 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 179 | :rs/rhydon: Rhydon | 40 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 178 | :rs/gyarados: Gyarados | 81 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 176 | :rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite | 80 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 176 | :rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop: | 70 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 174 | :rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix | 30 | +Spe | 252 | None |
| 172 | :rs/blastoise: Blastoise | 78 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 169 | :rs/quagsire: Quagsire | 35 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 166 | :rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 159 | :rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix | 30 | Neutral | 252 | None |
| 158 | :rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop: | 70 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 158 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 156 | :rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon2 | 60 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 149 | :rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor | 65 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 146 | :rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey | 55 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 142 | :rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar | 61 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 140 | :rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon2 | 60 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 136 | :rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan | 50 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 131 | :rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey | 55 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 126 | :rs/marowak: Marowak | 45 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 122 | :rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan | 50 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 116 | :rs/rhydon: Rhydon | 40 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 113 | :rs/marowak: Marowak | 45 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 106 | :rs/quagsire: Quagsire | 35 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 104 | :rs/rhydon: Rhydon | 40 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 96 | :rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix | 30 | Neutral | 0 | None |
| 95 | :rs/quagsire: Quagsire | 35 | -Spe | 0 | None |
| 86 | :rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix | 30 | -Spe | 0 | None |
Other Resources:
Discord
Unobtainable Pokemon
Altering Cave Unobtainable Pokemon
Learnset Removals (also see this post for FRLG event move removals)
Discussion Thread (also see the Switch Re-Release Thread)
Speed Tier Googledoc
:rs/cloyster::rs/starmie::rs/gengar::rs/aerodactyl::rs/jynx::rs/mr mime::rs/porygon2::rs/slowbro::rs/blissey::rs/tauros::rs/marowak::rs/hitmontop::rs/donphan::rs/machamp::rs/rhydon::rs/skarmory::rs/magneton:
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DM me the markup for this so I can update the post! Also remember to include the threats
I was thinking we could amend the "Threats" section into a "VR" section, which would serve the same purpose with a lil extra oomph. The only issue being I don't know if we have a definitive VR available atm. I'll work on collating and averaging them so we do
#Edit
S:
:rs/tyranitar::rs/starmie::rs/snorlax::rs/skarmory::rs/magneton:
A:
:rs/dragonite::rs/jolteon::rs/gengar::rs/zapdos::rs/blissey:
A-:
:rs/marowak::rs/donphan::rs/machamp::rs/gyarados::rs/charizard:
B+:
:rs/quagsire::rs/heracross::rs/cloyster::rs/scizor:
B:
:rs/aerodactyl::rs/vaporeon::rs/jynx::rs/alakazam:
B-:
:rs/steelix::rs/kingdra::rs/venusaur::rs/dugtrio::rs/slowbro::rs/tauros:
C+:
:rs/blastoise::rs/mr-mime::rs/misdreavus::rs/golduck::rs/lapras::rs/arcanine::rs/ninetales::rs/poliwrath::rs/exeggutor:
C:
:rs/weezing::rs/porygon2::rs/moltres::rs/jumpluff::rs/omastar::rs/rhydon::rs/golem::rs/azumarill::rs/electrode::rs/vileplume:
C-:
:rs/crobat::rs/tentacruel:
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