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FRLG (FireRed/LeafGreen) OU
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Art by TheBaker
Posted with the blessing of goldmason and Joaf ​

FRLG OU is an Other Metagame where only Pokemon, moves, and items obtainable in FireRed/LeafGreen are usable. Join the Discord here!

Council:
See here

Ban History:
31/03/26
— LEGAL: SpeedPass :scizor::jolteon:
— LEGAL: Soundproof :mr-mime:
— LEGAL: TrapPass :ariados:
05/04/26
— BANNED: Sand Veil :sandslash:
11/04/26
— BANNED: King's Rock :kings-rock:

Banned Pokemon:
— :Deoxys-Attack: Deoxys-Attack
— :Deoxys-Defense: Deoxys-Defense
— :Ho-Oh: Ho-Oh
— :Lugia: Lugia
— :Mewtwo: Mewtwo
— :Sandslash: Sandslash
— :Wobbuffet: Wobbuffet
— :Wynaut: Wynaut
— :entei::raikou::suicune: Moreover, due to the Roaming Pokemon IV Glitch, Entei, Raikou, and Suicune must run fixed IVs.

Missing Items:
— :choice-band: Choice Band
— :salac-berry: Salac Berry
— :liechi-berry: Liechi Bery
— :petaya-berry: Petaya Berry
— :white-herb: White Herb
Non-competitive
:bright-powder: Bright Powder
:light-ball: Light Ball
:scope-lens: Scope Lens
:shell-bell: Shell Bell
:figy-berry: Figy Berry
:wiki-berry: Wiki Berry
:mago-berry: Mago Berry
:aguav-berry: Aguav Berry
:ganlon-berry: Ganlon Berry
:apicot-berry: Apicot Berry
:lansat-berry: Lansat Berry
:starf-berry: Starf Berry


Sample Teams:
:tyranitar::zapdos::quagsire::aerodactyl::gengar::skarmory: El Quagsico by f1anky0
:dragonite::jolteon::machamp::starmie::snorlax::magneton: The Ladderers by jimmy the card
:butterfree::zapdos::hitmontop::starmie::snorlax::omastar: Butterfree's Controversial Carnival by jimmy the card
:tyranitar::donphan::quagsire::starmie::vileplume::skarmory: Curse Quag Spike Stall by Joaf
:tyranitar::jolteon::aerodactyl::golduck::heracross::skarmory: JoltAero Spikes Offense by Joaf
:tyranitar::donphan::gengar::starmie::blissey::skarmory: TSS Donphan by KingGojira
:slowbro::donphan::steelix::gyarados::snorlax::magneton: Slowbro Semi-Stall by Scally_Wagon
:gyarados::donphan::machamp::golduck::blissey::magneton: MagPhanDuck by surfnWOB
:tyranitar::zapdos::quagsire::starmie::blissey::skarmory: TSS by Sylveon HRT
:tyranitar::jolteon::charizard::golduck::snorlax::cloyster: JoltLax by Sylveon HRT
:jynx::jolteon::machamp::golduck::gengar::tyranitar: Jynx Spikeless HO by Sylveon HRT
:tyranitar::dragonite::quagsire::tauros::snorlax::magneton: Mag PhysOff by Yak Attack

Speed Tiers:
credit: surfnWob & Toasty
Final SpeedPokémonBase SpeedNatureEVsBoost
590:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/heracross: Heracross85+Spe252+2
574:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81+Spe252+2
568:rs/dragonite: Dragonite80+Spe252+2
538:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/heracross: Heracross85Neutral252+2
524:rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath70+Spe252+2
522:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81Neutral252+2
518:rs/dragonite: Dragonite80Neutral252+2
502:rs/scizor: Scizor65+Spe252+2
486:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61+Spe252+2
478:rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath70Neutral252+2
458:rs/scizor: Scizor65Neutral252+2
442:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61Neutral252+2
436:rs/azumarill: Azumarill50+Spe252+2
430:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81+Spe252+1
426:rs/dragonite: Dragonite80+Spe252+1
414:rs/marowak: Marowak45+Spe252+2
412:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/heracross: Heracross85Neutral0+2
398:rs/azumarill: Azumarill50Neutral252+2
396:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81Neutral0+2
394:rs/jolteon: Jolteon / :rs/aerodactyl: Aerodactyl130+Spe252None
392:rs/rhydon: Rhydon40+Spe252+2
392:rs/dragonite: Dragonite80Neutral0+2
391:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81Neutral252+1
388:rs/dragonite: Dragonite80Neutral252+1
372:rs/dugtrio: Dugtrio / :rs/alakazam: Alakazam120+Spe252None
364:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61+Spe252+1
361:rs/starmie: Starmie115+Spe252None
359:rs/jolteon: Jolteon / :rs/aerodactyl: Aerodactyl130Neutral252None
358:rs/rhydon: Rhydon40Neutral252+2
350:rs/gengar: Gengar / :rs/tauros: Tauros / :rs/jumpluff: Jumpluff110+Spe252None
339:rs/dugtrio: Dugtrio / :rs/alakazam: Alakazam120Neutral252None
332:rs/scizor: Scizor65Neutral0+2
331:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61Neutral252+1
329:rs/starmie: Starmie115Neutral252None
328:rs/charizard: Charizard / :rs/ninetales: Ninetales / :rs/zapdos: Zapdos100+Spe252None
319:rs/gengar: Gengar / :rs/tauros: Tauros / :rs/jumpluff: Jumpluff110Neutral252None
317:rs/arcanine: Arcanine / :rs/jynx: Jynx95+Spe252None
316:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61Neutral0+2
306:rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres90+Spe252None
299:rs/charizard: Charizard / :rs/ninetales: Ninetales / :rs/zapdos: Zapdos100Neutral252None
297:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81Neutral0+1
296:rs/jolteon: Jolteon / :rs/aerodactyl: Aerodactyl130Neutral0None
295:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra85+Spe252None
294:rs/dragonite: Dragonite80Neutral0+1
289:rs/arcanine: Arcanine / :rs/jynx: Jynx95Neutral252None
287:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81+Spe252None
284:rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite80+Spe252None
280:rs/blastoise: Blastoise78+Spe252None
279:rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres90Neutral252None
276:rs/dugtrio: Dugtrio / :rs/alakazam: Alakazam120Neutral0None
269:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra85Neutral252None
266:rs/starmie: Starmie115Neutral0None
262:rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop:70+Spe252None
261:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81Neutral252None
259:rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite80Neutral252None
256:rs/gengar: Gengar / :rs/tauros: Tauros / :rs/jumpluff: Jumpluff110Neutral0None
255:rs/blastoise: Blastoise78Neutral252None
251:rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor65+Spe252None
243:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61+Spe252None
240:rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon260+Spe252None
239:rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop:70Neutral252None
237:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61Neutral0+1
236:rs/charizard: Charizard / :rs/ninetales: Ninetales / :rs/zapdos: Zapdos100Neutral0None
229:rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey55+Spe252None
229:rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor65Neutral252None
226:rs/arcanine: Arcanine / :rs/jynx: Jynx95Neutral0None
221:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61Neutral252None
219:rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon260Neutral252None
218:rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan50+Spe252None
216:rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres90Neutral0None
209:rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey55Neutral252None
207:rs/marowak: Marowak45+Spe252None
206:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra85Neutral0None
199:rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan50Neutral252None
198:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81Neutral0None
196:rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite80Neutral0None
196:rs/rhydon: Rhydon40+Spe252None
194:rs/mr-mime: Mr. Mime / :rs/moltres: Moltres90-Spe0None
192:rs/blastoise: Blastoise78Neutral0None
189:rs/marowak: Marowak45Neutral252None
185:rs/golduck: Golduck / :rs/misdreavus: Misdreavus / :rs/heracross: Heracross / :rs/kingdra: Kingdra85-Spe0None
185:rs/quagsire: Quagsire35+Spe252None
179:rs/rhydon: Rhydon40Neutral252None
178:rs/gyarados: Gyarados81-Spe0None
176:rs/venusaur: Venusaur / :rs/dragonite: Dragonite80-Spe0None
176:rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop:70Neutral0None
174:rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix30+Spe252None
172:rs/blastoise: Blastoise78-Spe0None
169:rs/quagsire: Quagsire35Neutral252None
166:rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor65Neutral0None
159:rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix30Neutral252None
158:rs/poliwrath: Poliwrath / :rs/magneton: Magneton / :rs/cloyster: Cloyster / :rs/skarmory: Skarmory / :rs/hitmontop:70-Spe0None
158:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61Neutral0None
156:rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon260Neutral0None
149:rs/vaporeon: Vaporeon / :rs/scizor: Scizor65-Spe0None
146:rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey55Neutral0None
142:rs/tyranitar: Tyranitar61-Spe0None
140:rs/lapras: Lapras / :rs/porygon2: Porygon260-Spe0None
136:rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan50Neutral0None
131:rs/machamp: Machamp / :rs/exeggutor: Exeggutor / :rs/blissey: Blissey55-Spe0None
126:rs/marowak: Marowak45Neutral0None
122:rs/vileplume: Vileplume / :rs/azumarill: Azumarill / :rs/donphan: Donphan50-Spe0None
116:rs/rhydon: Rhydon40Neutral0None
113:rs/marowak: Marowak45-Spe0None
106:rs/quagsire: Quagsire35Neutral0None
104:rs/rhydon: Rhydon40-Spe0None
96:rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix30Neutral0None
95:rs/quagsire: Quagsire35-Spe0None
86:rs/slowbro: Slowbro / :rs/snorlax: Snorlax / :rs/steelix: Steelix30-Spe0None

Other Resources:
Discord
Unobtainable Pokemon
Altering Cave Unobtainable Pokemon
Switch Re-Release Thread
Community Viability Rankings
Speed Tier Googledoc

:rs/cloyster::rs/starmie::rs/gengar::rs/aerodactyl::rs/jynx::rs/mr mime::rs/porygon2::rs/slowbro::rs/blissey::rs/tauros::rs/marowak::rs/hitmontop::rs/donphan::rs/machamp::rs/rhydon::rs/skarmory::rs/magneton:​
 
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"FRLG OU is a lower tier format where only mons..."
Just a quick correction: this format is not a lower tier format. Its not related to the ADV tiers, its just a different OU metagame, as its said on the threads title.
Edit: where is aero on threats list?
 
mielke said:
"FRLG OU is a lower tier format where only mons..."
Just a quick correction: this format is not a lower tier format. Its not related to the ADV tiers, its just a different OU metagame, as its said on the threads title.
Edit: where is aero on threats list?
Lack of Choice Band and Liechi Berry honestly makes me skeptical of Aero's worth, but I could be wrong.
 
FrankMarley said:
Lack of Choice Band and Liechi Berry honestly makes me skeptical of Aero's worth, but I could be wrong.
Also Dugtrio crying in the corner bc it can't reliably 1 shot Tyranitar with Banded Earthquake, base 80 even with Adamant hits like a weenie.

Also, no Swampert & Metagross, but there's Magneton to trap Skarmory?! Dios Mio, DD Tar's gonna be the stupidest thing ever.
 
Jhall99 said:
Also Dugtrio crying in the corner bc it can't reliably 1 shot Tyranitar with Banded Earthquake, base 80 even with Adamant hits like a weenie.

Also, no Swampert & Metagross, but there's Magneton to trap Skarmory?! Dios Mio, DD Tar's gonna be the stupidest thing ever.
Dugtrio cannot ohko ttar with cb either

Id argue that ttar with focus punch+special attacks looks stronger, but dug without Band and no salamence makes fighters much better....
 
Yak Attack said:
Posted with permission by goldmason and Joaf
438509414_PPorgFIRERED_061.png.95dcb2b173e2583320bc69914f0aa58a.png

FRLG (FireRed/LeafGreen) OU​

FRLG OU is an other metagame format where only mons, moves, and items that are obtainable in FireRed/LeafGreen are usable. See the resources for the missing mons and moves. Uses the [Gen 3] OU ruleset, otherwise. Also of note is the Roaming Pokemon IV Glitch, which means Suicune, Raikou, and Entei are all significantly worse.

Banned Mons:
  • Mewtwo​
  • Wobbuffet​
  • Lugia​
  • Ho-Oh​
  • Wynaut​
  • Deoxys-Attack​
  • Deoxys-Defense​

Missing Items:
  • Choice Band​
  • Salac Berry​
  • Liechi Bery​
  • Petaya Berry​
  • White Herb​
  • Bright Powder​
  • Light Ball​
  • Scope Lens​
  • Shell Bell​
  • Figy Berry​
  • Wiki Berry​
  • Mago Berry​
  • Aguav Berry​
  • Ganlon Berry​
  • Apicot Berry​
  • Lansat Berry​
  • Starf Berry​
  • Mental Herb​

Threats:

:rs/tyranitar::rs/skarmory::rs/blissey::rs/snorlax::rs/zapdos::rs/starmie::rs/magneton::rs/charizard::rs/gyarados::rs/dragonite::rs/heracross::rs/machamp::rs/donphan::rs/steelix::rs/gengar::rs/jolteon::rs/alakazam::rs/porygon2::rs/cloyster::rs/vaporeon::rs/tauros::rs/marowak::rs/kingdra::rs/rhydon: and perhaps some UU and below Pokemon

Resources:
Unobtainable Pokemon
Altering Cave Unobtainable Pokemon
Important Move Incompatibilities & Exclusions
Discussion Thread
Switch Re-Release Thread
Isnt suicune raikou entei allowed?
 
Yak Attack said:
Posted with permission by goldmason and Joaf
438509414_PPorgFIRERED_061.png.95dcb2b173e2583320bc69914f0aa58a.png

FRLG (FireRed/LeafGreen) OU​

FRLG OU is an other metagame format where only mons, moves, and items that are obtainable in FireRed/LeafGreen are usable. See the resources for the missing mons and moves. Uses the [Gen 3] OU ruleset, otherwise. Also of note is the Roaming Pokemon IV Glitch, which means Suicune, Raikou, and Entei are all significantly worse.

Banned Mons:
  • Mewtwo​
  • Wobbuffet​
  • Lugia​
  • Ho-Oh​
  • Wynaut​
  • Deoxys-Attack​
  • Deoxys-Defense​

Missing Items:
  • Choice Band​
  • Salac Berry​
  • Liechi Bery​
  • Petaya Berry​
  • White Herb​
  • Bright Powder​
  • Light Ball​
  • Scope Lens​
  • Shell Bell​
  • Figy Berry​
  • Wiki Berry​
  • Mago Berry​
  • Aguav Berry​
  • Ganlon Berry​
  • Apicot Berry​
  • Lansat Berry​
  • Starf Berry​
  • Mental Herb​

Threats:

:rs/tyranitar::rs/skarmory::rs/blissey::rs/snorlax::rs/zapdos::rs/starmie::rs/magneton::rs/charizard::rs/gyarados::rs/dragonite::rs/heracross::rs/machamp::rs/donphan::rs/steelix::rs/gengar::rs/jolteon::rs/alakazam::rs/porygon2::rs/cloyster::rs/vaporeon::rs/tauros::rs/marowak::rs/kingdra::rs/rhydon: and perhaps some UU and below Pokemon

Resources:
Unobtainable Pokemon
Altering Cave Unobtainable Pokemon
Important Move Incompatibilities & Exclusions
Discussion Thread
Switch Re-Release Thread
Hey, just wanted to pop in and say I remember you asking about what you needed to do to make this idea a reality in the ADV simple questions format. Really awesome to see you put so much work into this and I hope it goes well!
 
Jhall99 said:
Donphan is one of the best mons to stonewall Tyranitar, but without Celebi & Claydol will Gengar be a massive pest, as if it weren’t a pest in ADV OU already lol.
Keep in mind Gengar loses the punches and will-o-wisp so I think it'll even out? It can still tbolt/giga drain/hp ice/psychic/taunt/explosion/perish trap.
 
In case anyone is curious how bad they have it, these would be the base stats of the legendary beasts with 31/7/0/0/0/0 (add +0.5 to each base stat for defense, spatk, spdefense and speed)

Suicune is kinda salvageable. HP didn't change, and is bulkier than 6IVs Vaporeon in the physical side even with the bad IVs, and Vaporeon can't calm mind. Worse but usable, and without Swampert, god knows we need bulky waters.
Suicune.png


Compared to 6IVs Jolteon, Raikou is worse in every stat (except HP). I doubt Calm Mind will save it considering it wasn't OU before the nerfs
Raikou.png


Entei... pobre cosita fea...
Entei.png
 
Yak Attack said:
Whether or not Sand Veil/SpeedPass should be banned is a legit question, isn't it? Only problematic mons would be Sandslash and Scizor imo
I doubt Sandslash will be useful for much outside of cheesing via sand veil, so that's probably fine to axe.
Speedpass is a little more uncertain, but Jolteon and Scizor are both users, and seem decent. Not 100% convinced but I could see it being a problem.
 
Can we start with Freeze + Sleep Clause and go from there? I'd like to keep Soundproof, as Mr. Mime deserves to commit warcrimes is the only mon with CM pass.
 
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