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Gen V Initial NU Metagame Thread

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I've been toying around with Scarfed Exploud with Ice Beam, Fire Blast, Surf and Echoed Voice. The latter gets EXTREMELY powerful if your opponent does not bring in a counter quickly. However, Hyper Voice is still a very viable option on this set. This guy maxes out at 309 SpA with a Modest nature which is pretty decent in my opinion.

Exploud (M) @ Choice Scarf
Trait: Soundproof
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SAtk / 252 Spd
Modest Nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Echoed Voice
- Ice Beam
- Fire Blast
- Surf
 
you guys are doing it all wrong.
this monster will rip shit apart. watch and learn:

flareon@toxic orb
adamant
4hp 252atk 252spd
-flame charge
-Facade
-rock smash
-bite
 
I prefer Sp Def. Flareon.

Calm
Flash Fire
Leftovers
-Wish
-Heal Bell/Roar/Protect
-Heal Bell/Roar/Protect
-Lava Plume
252 HP 252 Sp Def 4 Sp Atk

With Base 110 Sp Def It is a great wall. Especially in NU. I've been using it in UU and RU. It gives a great element of surprise.
 
And another one, although it is a variant of the 2nd set:

Flareon@Leftovers
Flash Fire
Careful, 252 HP / 252 SpD / 4 Def/Att/Spe
Fire Fang
Will-o-Wisp
Wish
Protect/Heal Bell/Roar

Will-o-Wisp is more reliable than Lava Plume and Fire Fang hits harder (I believe). Of course, you lack a moveslot, but there are so many viable clerics in this tier (Leafeon, Gardevoir, Altaria, Lickilicky, Roselia and Lanturn come to mind, with Alomomola as an alternative WishPasser), that you can easily afford another teamslot.

Speaking of Lanturn, it walls that Flame Charge Magmortar set hardcore... Modest Hidden Power Grass/Ground doesn't 2HKO all Lanturn (namely those that invest in SpD and it needn't even be that much), either, and you get walled by Altaria. So make sure Lanturn is out of the way if you want to use that.
Modest TBolt is doesn't guarantee a 2HKO on Max/Max Calm Lefties Slowking either (without rocks/spikes). I don't know how to calculate the chances, but it deals 49.75% (what a troll) to 58.38%.
 
hey guys. i got a great offensive combo: flarsaring.

flareon @ toxic orb
4hp 252atk 252spd
adamant/guts
-flame charge
-facade
-rock smash/bite
-baton pass

ursaring @ flame orb
56hp 252atk 200spd
-swords dance
-facade
-close combat
-crunch

first, sweep with flareon. you are mostly going to be spamming flame charge. but the time a counter comes in, or by the time you are walled, (or super low on health) you will have grabbed 2,3 speed boosts. at that time, BATON PASS onto ursaring. now it is at +2 and guts activated. if you feel gutsy use swords dance and sweep. beautiful.
 
tsk tsk. thats why you use flame charge on a weakened slow bulky poke or something that is super weak to fire and is scared.
 
bluemon said:
hey guys. i got a great offensive combo: flarsaring.

flareon @ toxic orb
4hp 252atk 252spd
adamant/guts
-flame charge
-facade
-rock smash/bite
-baton pass

ursaring @ flame orb
56hp 252atk 200spd
-swords dance
-facade
-close combat
-crunch

first, sweep with flareon. you are mostly going to be spamming flame charge. but the time a counter comes in, or by the time you are walled, (or super low on health) you will have grabbed 2,3 speed boosts. at that time, BATON PASS onto ursaring. now it is at +2 and guts activated. if you feel gutsy use swords dance and sweep. beautiful.
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Or you could use quick feet ursarang and not have to switch it in, because ursarang isn't taking any hits. Even without guts, facade still wrecks everything that doesn't resist it.
 
bluemon said:
tsk tsk. thats why you use flame charge on a weakened slow bulky poke or something that is super weak to fire and is scared.
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Base 65+ Scarfers and base 120's like Swellow and Dugtrio still outspeed it and stop its fun. And even if you do outspeed, it's hard to put dents in most things when you're relying on Flame Charge for damage.

In all honesty, Swellow is better than both of them outside of Klinklang and Magneton, which really aren't as common as everyone says they are.
 
ummm.. you obviously havent seen flareon in action. it has 591 attack.

it ohkoes standard jellicent with rocks and 3 layers of spikes... with BITE.
 
bluemon said:
ummm.. you obviously havent seen flareon in action. it has 591 attack.

it ohkoes standard jellicent with rocks and 3 layers of spikes... with BITE.
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And obviously, there are no Jellicents in NU. And saying that it needs 36% prior damage isnt really that great either
 
Limianic said:
Speaking of Lanturn, it walls that Flame Charge Magmortar set hardcore... Modest Hidden Power Grass/Ground doesn't 2HKO all Lanturn (namely those that invest in SpD and it needn't even be that much), either, and you get walled by Altaria. So make sure Lanturn is out of the way if you want to use that.

Modest TBolt is doesn't guarantee a 2HKO on Max/Max Calm Lefties Slowking either (without rocks/spikes). I don't know how to calculate the chances, but it deals 49.75% (what a troll) to 58.38%.
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Magmortar can also go mixed and threaten Lanturn with an Earthquake, hitting its much weaker Defense. If Magmortar is EV'd to outspeed Rapidash after a Flame Charge, it can get up to 270 Atk to fire off Earthquakes from, which with a Life Orb makes a pretty good response to Lanturn / Flareon.

And just use rocks/spikes then.
 
GtM said:
Magmortar can also go mixed and threaten Lanturn with an Earthquake, hitting its much weaker Defense. If Magmortar is EV'd to outspeed Rapidash after a Flame Charge, it can get up to 270 Atk to fire off Earthquakes from, which with a Life Orb makes a pretty good response to Lanturn / Flareon.

And just use rocks/spikes then.
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Unfortunately, EQ leaves you open to Altaria. Unless you use HP Ice, too, but then Slowking has a field day.
It's not like it's a bad thing, since every sweeper gets walled by something. Flame Charge/Fire Blast/HP Ice/Earthquake certainly doesn't sound bad with TSpikes support to beat Slowking. Keep in mind you take LO recoil from using Flame Charge, though.
 
Limianic said:
Unfortunately, EQ leaves you open to Altaria. Unless you use HP Ice, too, but then Slowking has a field day.
It's not like it's a bad thing, since every sweeper gets walled by something. Flame Charge/Fire Blast/HP Ice/Earthquake certainly doesn't sound bad with TSpikes support to beat Slowking. Keep in mind you take LO recoil from using Flame Charge, though.
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NU is diverse, so as long as you carry something on your team that can deal with Altaria, Slowking or Lanturn respectively then you should be fine. :)
 
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