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Generation IV Training for Generation V

labarith

Suppose that you're a lowly G4 player who wants to get a start on G5 w/o the game, what do you do? Hopefully this thread will help.
The goal of this thread is to discuss Generation 4 breedable pokemon, TMs, and tutor moves that get a boost in G5.
Substantially Edited:

General ideas:
* Petaldance and/or Giga Drain abuse - In G5, these are subsantially improved. I believe Leaf Storm is still generally preferable to Petal Dance (for suicuide attack move), but anything that can learn PD or GD need to be looked at again.
* Pre-evolution Stone abuse - Chansey, Duscops seem like good candidates for this, Poygon2 - already better than PZ - could also use this?

Specific Ideas:
* Acrobat Driffblim - Physical Baton Passer Driffblim designed be useful against normal-switchins... with 110 base power, post-berry, this thing can start doing some serious damage w/o calm minds under it's belt.


Note: Since dream-world abilities have been confirmed as breedable, I suggest we avoid discussing G4 breeding of pokemon who would be substantially better w/ their DW ability. For example, Torchic/Cumbustian is pretty much super awesome w/ Speed Boost, and not-so much otherwise.
Note 2: It's important to note that not all G5 DW abilities may be released, and even if they are, G4 "fake DW" pokemon (IE, pokemon who can take advantage of counters to their DW alternates) are worth discussing here.
 
The obvious thing for anyone wanting to 'pretrain' is a good SR user, since it's not a TM anymore in gen 5.
 
Petal Dance can be abuse with Dodeira's Own Tempo =P
Sleep Powder , then Butterfly dance and then sweep with Petal Dance.
 
I was very pleased when read about the Prevo Stone that adds 50% to a NFE's Def and Sp.Def. I have a nice Calm Dusclops I bred in ADV that I didn't really want to evolve into Dusknoir in Gen 4 because of its nature but ended up doing so anyway. However, I had Emerald-cloned it beforehand, so I can still get Seismic Toss and Pain Split if need be and use it in Gen 5 as a Dusclops with that useful item.

In Gen 4, I think we can still breed common Pokemon that didn't get a good Dream World ability (Magnezone, Blissey, Garchomp, etc) as well as RNG legends like Groudon and Kyogre without any fear of becoming outclassed in Gen 5.
 
SuperJOCKE: You're probably right - I've never used it. I take it Leaf Storm is better in all likelyhood then. Thanks.

Reaverz: I did hear about this, but someone said it didn't work w/ Chansey because it had a pre-evolution. Do you know one way or the other? Because if pre-evolution stone works with Chansey, then Chansey is the best special wall in the game (again!).

And yes, I realize that we can continue to RNG and breed good stuff in G4 that is good in G5. What I'm hoping to do in this thread, though, is to come up with a laundry list of G4 Pokemon to breed w/ EVs and movesets (including "G5 move relearner moves") that us G4ers can work on in anticipation of G5.
 
Note: The biggest "foil" here is that many G1-4 pokemon get good Dream World abilities, and although - as far as I know - there has been no word on whether these abilities are breedable (such that you may be able to pass down G4 moves via parenthood to dreamworld ability having pokemon), I take it that we SHOULD NOT talk about G4 pokemon whose Dream World counterparts *SUBSTANTIALLY* exceed the current ones (unless, of course, their G4 movepool is substantially better, once augmented by G5 stuff after migration, than their DW G5 counterparts). For example, there is near unanimous concensus that Speed Boost Combustian beats out Blaze cumbustian with ease, so there's no need to theorize about how to raise a Torchic in G4.
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Dream World abilities are breedable. It's been tested and posted on the research thread's OP.
 
i am glad someone started a thread on this because i have been making a list of what i can get a jump start on.

first off is skarmory only with the sturdy ability instead of keen eye. you know the move sets and skarmory doesn't need to change much but sturdy is a far sight more useful now.
next is an aggron with sturdy, metal burst, endeavor, etc. again, since sturdy was the ability which received the most significant upgrade and isn't a dreamworld alternate this is another pokemon which i can do now.
third is shellder who will become cloyster after getting traded to BW to finish his skill set. skill link ability, rock blast and icicle spear are all available now. what he definitely needs from BW is shell break and maybe hydro pump, unless i run him with explosion instead.
fourth is venomoth. tinted lens ability, sleep powder, bug buzz and baton pass are all available in HGSS. the final piece is learning butterfly dance in BW.

these are where i am starting, what others are there?
 
My issue isn't so much "What can I breed to prepare for Gen 5?" as it is "Is what I want to breed going to be outclassed in Gen 5?"

Basically the first thing I look for is the Dream World ability. Obviously I'm not going to be breeding a Torchic when it gets Speed Boost in BW.
Next I look at Egg Moves. If there is an important new move available that can only be accessed by breeding I'm going to have to rebreed anyway.

Then there's the option of breeding parents for BW. The Ground egg group can thankfully be fathered totally by a Gen 4 Smeargle, with Dream World females. Those that don't have new egg moves can be bred from a DW Ditto (afaik) and a Gen 4 father. Those are the easy ones. The ones that will take more thought and research as far as parents are Pokemon with desirable DW abilities and new egg moves.


I just don't want to breed anything that is going to be outdated. I think I'm safe with my current Jolly Guts Heracross project. I think Guts is more reliable than Overconfidence, and he doesn't get any new egg moves. Safe bets would also be genderless Pokemon with inferior DW abilities, like Metagross.
 
i wonder if there's any point in still EV training pokemon in your gen 4 games

cause i get the feeling there isn't
 
If I recall correctly, EVs are the game in Gen 5 as they are in Gen 4. And honestly I don't see why they'd strip you of your EVs after transfer, that's silly.
 
@Master Espeon: I think oasis is questioning if gen 4 iv spreads will be optimal for the upcoming gen 5 metagame. But I could be wrong there.

As for me, I've started breeding all of gen 4 OU that I didn't have yet along with a few cool things that get upgrades in gen 5 like Porygon2 and Cloyster.
 
what i meant was that they can't hold their items or you can't trade them to B/W which is bullshit

my CBchomp for example
 
yeah in the battle subway

spending hours to get enough points to buy a single power or choice item isn't fun
 
Shadow Knight, ah, okay.

Oasis, I'm pretty sure that's how you get the Choice Band since... Emerald? So that's nothing new. Well with the exception of the Pokéwalker method. In fact I don't remember any of the choice items being obtained outside Battle Tower/Frontier methods save the Pokéwalker and the Choice Specs at Solaceon.
 
So...

Acrobat Driffblim (Chesto Berry, Rest, Unburden, Acrobat bonus) - what nature should it be? :P Impish, Careful, Jolly, or Adamant?
Speaking of this, what moves should it have? Rest, Batan Pass, and Acrobat (G5) are necessary, but I'm thinking the 4th slot, instead of calm mind, might go to Thief or Will o the Wisp. Burn-passing, along w/ a speed boost, is pretty nice. However, I think you can eat your berry, then steal your opponent's thing w/ thief, and still have the unburden boost.

Chansey and Dusclops seem like excellent "pre-evolution stone" holders - any idea what the movesets/natures on these should be? I sort of assume Chansey will just be an unevolved blissey... same for Dusclops?

And Oasis, assuming the EVs aren't stipped on Gen 5 games (OMG that would suck, but I've never heard that), the point is to give non-GenV breeders/RNGers something to DO besides breeding/RNGing the same old stuff. For example, there are no Physical Driflooms out there (I don't think), and many people evolved their chanseys to Blissey (or traded for a Blissey), and now need chansey-goodness. Actually EV training them is unnecessary at this point, although - again - wouldn't hurt.
 
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