OU Gliscor (Specially Defensive)

Specially Defensive
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name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Earthquake / Knock Off
ability: Poison Heal
item: Toxic Orb
evs: 244 HP / 192 SpD / 72 Spe
nature: Careful

Moves
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Taunt allows Gliscor to prevent the use of recovery moves, setup moves, entry hazards, and opposing Taunts as well as various other non-damaging moves. Roost provides Gliscor with an insane amount of recovery alongside Poison Heal and turns it into an exceptional Toxic staller. Toxic, if chosen, is Gliscor's main method of dealing damage, and it works very well with Taunt. Earthquake is a very consistent Ground-type STAB move that complements Toxic nicely by hitting most Steel-types, which are immune to Toxic, super effectively. Knock Off is an option over either Toxic or Earthquake to hit Pokemon that Gliscor otherwise can't touch, such as Skarmory and Gengar, as well as to remove the items of opposing Pokemon. However, using Knock Off leaves Gliscor vulnerable to offensive Steel-types, notably Mega Mawile. Protect is an option over Roost to let Gliscor stall with Toxic more easily and to ensure that its Toxic Orb activates.

Set Details
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Using 244 HP EVs makes Gliscor's HP stat divisible by 8, maximizing the efficiency of Poison Heal. 72 Speed EVs allow Gliscor to outspeed everything up to and including Jolly Tyranitar, while the rest of the EVs and a Careful nature make Gliscor as specially bulky as possible.

An EV spread that includes Defense investment with an Impish nature is also a possibility. This allows Gliscor to handle Mega Heracross effectively, although Toxic will need to be used in order to do so. A mixed spread also helps Gliscor defeat other powerful physical attackers, such as Swords Dance Excadrill.

Usage Tips
========

Gliscor can check or counter many of OU's top special attackers with this set, including Landorus and Gengar, by virtue of its typing and its ridiculous amount of recovery. It can also beat Draco Meteor users, namely Latios, Latias, and Mega Garchomp, one-on-one thanks to the aforementioned recovery it gets. Additionally, once it is poisoned, Gliscor can easily switch into Assault Vest Tornadus-T, a Pokemon that often plagues the defensive teams on which Gliscor is commonly used. While specially defensive Gliscor can still check physical attackers, it cannot do so as well as physically defensive variants. For example, +2 Adamant Life Orb Excadrill will OHKO it after Stealth Rock damage, and Life Orb Terrakion can 2HKO it after Stealth Rock damage.

The combination of Taunt and Toxic allows Gliscor to stallbreak, as Gliscor can defeat practically any defensive Pokemon without an immunity to Toxic that can't hit it super effectively. Gliscor can even defeat Pokemon that rely on a weak Scald to damage it, such as Quagsire and Slowbro, as well as defensive Rotom-W by stalling it out of Hydro Pump PP. Even if Gliscor lacks Toxic, it can still outlast many defensive Pokemon by using Knock Off to remove their Leftovers and then slowly whittle down their HP.

Remember that Gliscor needs to be in for a turn before its Toxic Orb activates; before it is poisoned, be wary of switching it into a potential Knock Off or status user such as Landorus, Gengar, or Breloom. This is especially important to remember if Gliscor is used on a team that includes a cleric. Once its Toxic Orb has activated, however, Gliscor can easily switch into Knock Off and status moves. It should be noted that against stall teams, Gliscor's PP is precious; avoid wasting PP if Gliscor is locked in a stalemate.

Team Options
========

This Gliscor variant fits well on stall teams, where the ability to both check Landorus and stallbreak is greatly appreciated. It also fits well on balanced teams. In general, Water-types are great teammates for Gliscor, as they can cover its Water- and Ice-type weaknesses. Slowbro and Azumarill are excellent examples, as they are able to check Greninja and Keldeo. Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur also handle Water- and Ice-types, and the former can set up entry hazards. Skarmory can handle the physical attackers that Gliscor struggles against, including Mamoswine, Diggersby, Excadrill, Terrakion, and Swords Dance Garchomp. Heatran is able to check or counter several specific threats to specially defensive Gliscor, such as Dragonite and Mega Charizard X that lack Earthquake and Mega Mawile if Gliscor lacks Earthquake.

Specially Defensive
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name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Toxic
move 3: Roost
move 4: Earthquake / Knock Off
ability: Poison Heal
item: Toxic Orb
evs: 244 HP / 192 SpD / 72 Spe
nature: Careful

Moves
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  • Taunt stops things like recovery moves, entry hazards, setup moves, and opposing Taunts
  • Toxic is Gliscor's main method of dealing damage and works very well alongside Taunt
  • Roost gives Gliscor an insane amount of recovery when combined with Poison Heal and allows it to Toxic stall effectively
  • Earthquake is a great STAB move that pairs well with Toxic
  • Knock Off can be used instead to hit Pokemon that Gliscor can't touch otherwise, such as Gengar, Air Balloon Aegislash, and Skarmory, but using it leaves Gliscor ineffective against many Steel-types

Set Details
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  • 244 HP for a Poison Heal number
  • 72 Speed to outspeed things like Adamant Bisharp, max speed Aegislash, and max speed Tyranitar
  • Rest of the EVs make Gliscor as specially bulky as possible
  • Another EV/nature option is an Impish nature with a lot of SpD EVs in order to check certain physical threats such as Mega Heracross

Usage Tips
========

  • Specially defensive Gliscor can check/counter many of OU's top special attackers, including Landorus, Aegislash, and Gengar (if running Knock Off), by virtue of its typing and ridiculous recovery. It can also beat Draco Meteor users (Latios, Latias, Mega Garchomp) one-on-one thanks to the aforementioned recovery, as well as other threats such as Assault Vest Tornadus-T
  • Taunt + Toxic also allows Gliscor to break stall, as it can beat practically any defensive Pokemon that isn't immune to Toxic and that can't hit it super effectively. It can even beat certain Water-types that rely on a weak Scald, such as Quagsire
  • Remember that Gliscor has to be in for a turn before Toxic Orb activates -- be wary of switching it into something like Landorus (Knock Off), Gengar (Will-O-Wisp), or Breloom (Spore) before it is poisoned. Be especially careful if Gliscor is used on a team with a cleric
  • Once its Toxic Orb has activated, however, Gliscor can easily switch into status moves and Knock Off
  • This Gliscor can still check physical threats, just not as effectively. For example, +2 Adamant Life Orb Excadrill will OHKO it after Stealth Rock, and Life Orb Terrakion can 2HKO it after Stealth Rock

Team Options
========

  • This Gliscor variant is great on stall and balanced teams
  • Water-types in general are great teammates as they cover both of Gliscor's weaknesses -- Azumarill is a good example, as it can check Greninja and Keldeo
  • Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur handle Water- and Ice-types, and the former can set up entry hazards
  • Skarmory walls Pokemon like Diggersby, Excadrill, Terrakion, Mega Mawile, and Swords Dance Garchomp
  • Heatran can deal with specific threats to Gliscor, such as Mega Mawile (if Gliscor lacks Earthquake) and Dragon Dance Dragonite/Mega Charizard X that lack Earthquake
 
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Hm so I actually think:

move 1: Taunt
move 2: Earthquake
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Roost

EQ is not really replaceable. It gives so much free reign to stuff (like Mega Mawile uses Gliscor for setup fodder, Excadrill), basically that if you can't break it with Toxic, you can't break it. Taunt + Knock Off + EQ is actually pretty damn good at stallbreaking, too, having both attacks is really useful for Balloon mons/Gengar and the general utility of Knock Off. It's a decently common set that was used a couple times in WCOP, I think it's been proven effective. Protect move mention for the last slot because of a few things. It ensures you don't get your orb Knocked Off. It lets you scout and gain extra bits of recovery at basically any point. Protect Gliscor honestly isn't that hard to keep healthy, you get plenty of opportunities to heal and there are definite benefits to having Protect. Taunt + Toxic + EQ + Protect is a pretty good stalling combo.
 
I agree with the above. I've been using a set of Taunt/Toxic/Roost/Knock Off quite a bit, and while it does its job very well, it's really annoying to be walled by Mawile (in particular, though some other Toxic-immune Pokemon qualify too). Still, it might be worth slashing Knock Off with both Toxic and Earthquake, just because bluffing Earthquake can sometimes be enough (or, against things like Heatran, repeated uses of Knock Off can be enough). I'd like to hear an opinion or two on this, though. Mentioning Protect is a good idea, losing your Toxic Orb (or getting burned or something) is the worst thing ever lol.

Also, I may hold off on writing this until after the Aegislash test -- this set is pretty much a complete counter to it, which is something I feel needs to be made very clear in the analysis.
 
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ultra nitpicky i guess but one of the big aspects that comes into play is using this well vs stall, specifically pp. i've even seen wcop matches where people will just go out and waste their taunt pp, or eq pp, or whatever. it is imperative to conserve pp in these matchupa particularly in taunts and just use them as needed, so you don't find yourself a bunch of turns down the road dearly missing pp you wasted earlier. this is true of other pokemon, but significant enough here to warrant a specific mention imo.

oh and mention mega heracross somewhere please, as one of the few stallmons not just 2hkoed and can cripple it with toxic.
 
slash knock off after toxic on the main set and this is fine-- be sure to mention the pp thing as it kinda major.

can you get this done soon, Muk?
 

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Specially Defensive
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name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Earthquake / Knock Off
ability: Poison Heal
item: Toxic Orb
evs: 244 HP / 192 SpD / 72 Spe
nature: Careful

Moves
========

Taunt allows Gliscor to stopprevent the use of recovery moves, setup moves, entry hazards, and opposing Taunts as well as various other non-damaging moves. Roost provides Gliscor with an insane amount of recovery alongside Poison Heal, and it also turns Gliscor into an exceptional Toxic staller. Toxic, if chosen, is Gliscor's main method of dealing damage andwhich works very well with Taunt. Earthquake is a very consistent Ground-type STAB move that complements Toxic nicely by hitting most Steel-types, which are immune to Toxic, super effectively. Knock Off is an option over either Toxic or Earthquake to hit Pokemon that Gliscor otherwise can't touch otherwise, such as Skarmory and Gengar, as well as to remove the items of opposing Pokemon. However, using Knock Off leaves Gliscor vulnerable to offensive Steel-types, specificalnotably Mega Mawile. Protect is an option over Roost that allowso let Gliscor to stall with Toxic easily and to ensure that its Toxic Orb activates.

Set Details
========

Using 244 HP EVs makes Gliscor's HP stat divisible by 8, maximizing the efficiency of Poison Heal. 72 Speed EVs allow Gliscor to outspeed everything up to and including Jolly Tyranitar, while the rest of the EVs and a Careful nature make Gliscor as specially bulky as possible.

An EV spread that includes Defense investment with an Impish nature is also a possibility. This allows Gliscor to handle Mega Heracross effectively, although Toxic will need to be used in order to do so. A mixed spread also helps Gliscor defeat other powerful physical attackers, such as Swords Dance Excadrill.

Usage Tips
========

Gliscor can check or counter many of OU's top special attackers with this set, including Landorus and Gengar, by virtue of its typing and its ridiculous recovery. It can also beat Draco Meteor users, namely Latios, Latias, and Mega Garchomp, one-on-one thanks to the aforementioned recovery it gets. Additionally, once it is poisoned, Gliscor can easily switch into Assault Vest Tornadus-T, a Pokemon that often plagues the defensive teams on which Gliscor is commonly used. While specially defensive Gliscor can still check physical attackers, it cannot do so as safelywell as physically defensive variants. For example, +2 Adamant Life Orb Excadrill will OHKO it after Stealth Rock damage, and Life Orb Terrakion can 2HKO it after Stealth Rock damage.

The combination of Taunt and Toxic allows Gliscor to break stall, as Gliscor can defeat practically any defensive Pokemon without an immunity to Toxic that can't hit it super effectively. Gliscor can even defeat Pokemon that rely on a weak Scald to damage it, such as Quagsire and Slowbro, as well as defensive Rotom-W by stalling it out of Hydro Pump PP. Even if Gliscor lacks Toxic, it can still outlast many defensive Pokemon by using Knock Off to remove their Leftovers and then slowly whittle down their HP.

Remember that Gliscor needs to be in for a turn before its Toxic Orb activates—before it is poisoned, be wary of switching it into a potential Knock Off or status user such as Landorus, Gengar, or Breloom. This is especially important to keep in mindremember if Gliscor is used on a team that includes a cleric. Once its Toxic Orb has activated, however, Gliscor can easily switch into Knock Off and status moves. It should be noted that against stall teams, Gliscor's PP is precious; avoid simply wasting PP if Gliscor is locked in a stalemate.

Team Options
========

This Gliscor variant fits well on stall teams, where the ability to both check Landorus and stallbreak is greatly appreciated. It also fits well on balanced teams. In gGenerally, Water-types are great teammates for Gliscor, as they can cover its Water- and Ice-type weaknesses. Slowbro and Azumarill are excellent examples, as they are able to check Greninja and Keldeo. Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur also handle Water- and Ice-types, and the former can set up entry hazards. Skarmory can handle the physical attackers that Gliscor struggles against, including Mamoswine, Diggersby, Excadrill, Terrakion, and Swords Dance Garchomp. Heatran is able to check or counter several specific threats to specially defensive Gliscor, such as Dragonite and Mega Charizard X that lack Earthquake and Mega Mawile if Gliscor lacks Earthquake.

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Specially Defensive
########
name: Specially Defensive
move 1: Taunt
move 2: Roost
move 3: Toxic / Knock Off
move 4: Earthquake / Knock Off
ability: Poison Heal
item: Toxic Orb
evs: 244 HP / 192 SpD / 72 Spe
nature: Careful

Moves
========

Taunt allows Gliscor to prevent the use of recovery moves, setup moves, entry hazards, and opposing Taunts
, (AC) as well as various other non-damaging moves. Roost provides Gliscor with an insane amount of recovery alongside Poison Heal, (RC) and it also turns Gliscor it into an exceptional Toxic staller. Toxic, if chosen, is Gliscor's main method of dealing damage, and it works very well with Taunt. (Why?) Earthquake is a very consistent Ground-type STAB move that complements Toxic nicely by hitting most Steel-types, which are immune to Toxic, super effectively. Knock Off is an option over either Toxic or Earthquake to hit Pokemon that Gliscor otherwise can't touch, such as Skarmory and Gengar, as well as to remove the items of opposing Pokemon. However, using Knock Off leaves Gliscor vulnerable to offensive Steel-types, notably Mega Mawile. Protect is an option over Roost to let Gliscor stall with Toxic easily and to ensure that its Toxic Orb activates.

Set Details
========

Using 244 HP EVs makes Gliscor's HP stat divisible by 8, maximizing the efficiency of Poison Heal. 72 Speed EVs allow Gliscor to outspeed everything up to and including Jolly Tyranitar, while the rest of the 192 Special Defense EVs and with a Careful nature make Gliscor as specially bulky as possible.

An EV spread that includes Defense investment with an Impish nature is also a possibility. This allows Gliscor to handle Mega Heracross effectively, although Toxic will need to be used in order to do so. A mixed spread also helps Gliscor defeat other powerful physical attackers, such as Swords Dance Excadrill.

Usage Tips
========

Gliscor can check or counter many of OU's top special attackers with this set, including Landorus and Gengar, by virtue of its typing and its ridiculous
amount of recovery. It can also beat Draco Meteor users, namely Latios, Latias, and Mega Garchomp, one-on-one thanks to the aforementioned recovery it gets. Additionally, once it is poisoned, Gliscor can easily switch into Assault Vest Tornadus-T, a Pokemon that often plagues the defensive teams on which Gliscor is commonly used. While specially defensive Gliscor can still check physical attackers, it cannot do so as well as physically defensive variants. For example, +2 Adamant Life Orb Excadrill will OHKO it after Stealth Rock damage, and Life Orb Terrakion can 2HKO it after Stealth Rock damage.

The combination of Taunt and Toxic allows Gliscor to break stall, as Gliscor can defeat practically any defensive Pokemon without an immunity to Toxic that can't hit it super effectively. Gliscor can even defeat Pokemon that rely on a weak Scald to damage it, such as Quagsire and Slowbro, as well as defensive Rotom-W by stalling it out of Hydro Pump PP. Even if Gliscor lacks Toxic, it can still outlast many defensive Pokemon by using Knock Off to remove their Leftovers and then slowly whittle down their HP.

Remember that Gliscor needs to be in for a turn before its Toxic Orb activates—before it is poisoned, be wary of switching it into a potential Knock Off or status user such as Landorus, Gengar, or Breloom. This is especially important to remember if Gliscor is used on a team that includes a cleric. Once its Toxic Orb has activated, however, Gliscor can easily switch into Knock Off and status moves. It should be noted that against stall teams, Gliscor's PP is precious; avoid simply wasting PP if Gliscor is locked in a stalemate.

Team Options
========

This Gliscor variant fits well on stall teams, where the ability to both check Landorus and stallbreak is greatly appreciated. It also fits well on balanced teams. In general, Water-types are great teammates for Gliscor, as they can cover its Water- and Ice-type weaknesses. Slowbro and Azumarill are excellent examples, as they are able to check Greninja and Keldeo. Ferrothorn and Mega Venusaur also handle Water- and Ice-types, and the former can set up entry hazards. Skarmory can handle the physical attackers that Gliscor struggles against, including Mamoswine, Diggersby, Excadrill, Terrakion, and Swords Dance Garchomp. Heatran is able to check or counter several specific threats to specially defensive Gliscor, such as Dragonite and Mega Charizard X that lack Earthquake and Mega Mawile if Gliscor lacks Earthquake.
 
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stamping with a few additions:
Moves
Protect is an option over Roost to let Gliscor stall with Toxic more easily and to ensure that its Toxic Orb activates

Set Details
a Careful nature makes Gliscor as specially bulky as possible

Usage Tips
The combination of Taunt and Toxic allows Gliscor to break stall stallbreak, as Gliscor can defeat practically any defensive Pokemon without an immunity to Toxic that can't hit it super effectively.
Remember that Gliscor needs to be in for a turn before its Toxic Orb activates— (space) before it is poisoned
avoid simply wasting PP if Gliscor is locked in a stalemate

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