Gyarados (T-Wave)

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[SET]
name: Sub Thunder Wave
move 1: Substitute
move 2: Waterfall
move 3: Roar / Taunt
move 4: Thunder wave
item: Leftovers/Life Orb
nature: Impish
EVs: 72 HP / 252 Atk / 184 Spe
those EVs and nature are inefficient. By using Adamant with 120 HP/128 Atk/76 Def/184 Spe you retain the same atk, def, and spe as your spread but with the bonus of more HP
 
No, I'm factoring in waterfalls flinch rate.
Thanks for the tips, I'll add that in.
okay-I'll remove leftys.
EDIT: @ Mogmire, will do.
 

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What Towelie said, Sub Roar is meant to be a defensive set, why would you use so much speed when you are paralyzing everything anyways. Also 252 Attack is insane, you dont need that much attack since your main form of damage is going to be Roar. If anything I think you should change them to more defense, look to save enough Attack to 3HKO Rotom with Stealth Rock or something.
 
I still suggest Impish > Relaxed or is there a specific reason you use Relaxed.
The more speed you have the more chance you have against opposing phazers.
 
The only thing I could see you'd want to use speed for would be beating 4Spe Suicune's Roar, and ideally either you'd have it Paralyzed or it would be Sleep Talking anyway.

You could also run Adamant 240HP/16Atk/252Def for a couple more stat points overall, but it's not terribly different from what you've got (+6/+13/-14) and I'm not sure it would actually be a positive change.
 
This set on gyarados is so effective and unexpected. You should definetly go with Stone edge over Bounce with Gyarados. The only problem with that is countering celebi, but twave on gyarados cripples many pokemon, while being a team player and sweeper.
 
With the aid of Thunder Wave it could use Headbutt for para-flinch, and water-normal gets really nice neutral coverage.
Waterfall already gets flinch hax.
@ Blaze Murder, I think I will list that first, however, note that bounce has 30% to paralyze ground types. (And Jolteon/Electavire)
 
wait isnt this the same thing as bulky gyarados + t wave? Why don't you just put a slash on the bulky gyara set for thunder wave. Taunt is better anyway because its not wise to just DD at will. You can use water fall to attack the switch in, Or taunt. Plus you get a great stall breaker with taunt.
 
..No. xD
Here's buky DD Gyara
Gyarados @ Leftovers
Adamant/156 HP / 72 Atk / 96 Def / 184 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Taunthttp://www.smogon.com/forums/../dp/moves/taunt
~ Waterfallhttp://www.smogon.com/forums/../dp/moves/waterfall
~ Stone Edge / Bounce


Here's my set.
Gyarados @ Leftovers/Life orb
Jolly/Adamant / 156 HP / 88 Atk / 96 Def / 168 Spe
~ Dragon Dance
~ Stone Edge/Bounce
~ Waterfall
~ Thunder wave
Not really identical.
I agree Gyarados could do with a update, I might do it myself after with analysis gets cleared/rejected, but this is a new set.
 
I have got some logs.
These are just random ladder matchs btw.
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
DespoTheTar sent out Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
CommanderBlue50 sent out JERK OFF (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
BMAY has entered the room.
Infernape used Close Combat.
JERK OFF lost 41% of its health.
Infernape's defence was lowered.
Infernape's special defence was lowered.
JERK OFF used Dynamicpunch.
Infernape lost 100% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Infernape fainted.
JERK OFF lost 10% of its health.
---
DespoTheTar: What the hell is wrong with sash today?
CommanderBlue50: ur ape's sashed?
DespoTheTar: yeah
DespoTheTar: o.o
BMAY: bunch of shit isn't working for me
CommanderBlue50: :(
BMAY: yawn won't put things to sleep, sashes
DespoTheTar: Yeah
CommanderBlue50: well i wuldve gone for the bullet punch
DespoTheTar: can't wait for Shoddy 2
DespoTheTar: jesus
CommanderBlue50: lol
CommanderBlue50: wens that coming out?
DespoTheTar: Apparantly they're working on it
DespoTheTar: so hopefully soon
CommanderBlue50: oo
DespoTheTar switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
JERK OFF used Bullet Punch.
Machamp lost 26% of its health.
JERK OFF lost 10% of its health.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
JERK OFF lost 39% of its health.
CommanderBlue50's JERK OFF fainted.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in BE FREE (lvl 100 Togekiss ?).
BE FREE used Air Slash.
It's super effective!
Machamp lost 81% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Machamp fainted.
---
DespoTheTar switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi).
Jirachi used Substitute.
Jirachi lost 25% of its health.
Jirachi made a substitute!
BE FREE used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Body Slam.
BE FREE lost 21% of its health.
BE FREE used Aura Sphere.
The substitute took damage for Jirachi!
Jirachi's substitute faded!
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
BE FREE's leftovers restored its health a little!
BE FREE restored 6% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Body Slam.
BE FREE lost 21% of its health.
BE FREE is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
BE FREE used Aura Sphere.
Jirachi lost 33% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
BE FREE's leftovers restored its health a little!
BE FREE restored 6% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Substitute.
Jirachi lost 25% of its health.
Jirachi made a substitute!
BE FREE used Thunder Wave.
But it failed!
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
BE FREE's leftovers restored its health a little!
BE FREE restored 6% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Iron Head.
BE FREE lost 31% of its health.
BE FREE used Aura Sphere.
The substitute took damage for Jirachi!
Jirachi's substitute faded!
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
BE FREE's leftovers restored its health a little!
BE FREE restored 6% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Substitute.
Jirachi lost 25% of its health.
Jirachi made a substitute!
BE FREE used Roost.
BE FREE restored 48% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in Braces (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Jirachi used Iron Head.
It's not very effective...
A critical hit!
Braces lost 13% of its health.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
Braces used Fire Blast.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Jirachi!
Jirachi's substitute faded!
Jirachi used Body Slam.
It's not very effective...
Braces lost 10% of its health.
Braces is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
DespoTheTar switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Gyarados's Intimidate cut Braces's attack!
Braces is paralysed! It can't move!
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in Hi Im UGLY (lvl 100 Feraligatr ?).
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
---
Gyarados used Thunder Wave.
Hi Im UGLY is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
Hi Im UGLY used Dragon Dance.
Hi Im UGLY's attack was raised.
Hi Im UGLY's speed was raised.
---
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
Hi Im UGLY used Dragon Dance.
Hi Im UGLY's attack was raised.
Hi Im UGLY's speed was raised.
---
Gyarados used Bounce.
Gyarados bounced up!
Hi Im UGLY used Ice Punch.
Hi Im UGLY's attack missed!
---
Gyarados used Bounce.
Gyarados's attack missed!
Hi Im UGLY is paralysed! It can't move!
---
Gyarados used Bounce.
Gyarados bounced up!
Hi Im UGLY used Dragon Dance.
Hi Im UGLY's attack was raised.
Hi Im UGLY's speed was raised.
---
Gyarados used Bounce.
A critical hit!
Hi Im UGLY lost 100% of its health.
CommanderBlue50's Hi Im UGLY fainted.
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in Braces (lvl 100 Heatran ?).
Gyarados used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Braces lost 77% of its health.
CommanderBlue50's Braces fainted.
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in BE FREE (lvl 100 Togekiss ?).
Gyarados used Waterfall.
A critical hit!
BE FREE lost 100% of its health.
CommanderBlue50's BE FREE fainted.
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in Clefable (lvl 100 Clefable ?).
CommanderBlue50: game set match
Gyarados used Waterfall.
Clefable lost 68% of its health.
Clefable flinched!
---
DespoTheTar: gg
DespoTheTar: wow
DespoTheTar: xD
Gyarados used Waterfall.
Clefable lost 32% of its health.
CommanderBlue50's Clefable fainted.
---
CommanderBlue50 switched in Gengar (lvl 100 Gengar ?).
DespoTheTar: What did you try and use?
CommanderBlue50: cosmic power
Gyarados used Waterfall.
Gengar lost 100% of its health.
CommanderBlue50's Gengar fainted.
DespoTheTar wins!
DespoTheTar: Ah so nothign gamechanging
DespoTheTar: gg
CommanderBlue50: yep
CommanderBlue50: gg
CommanderBlue50 has left the room.
BMAY has left the room.

A bit haxy but you get the idea.
Rules: Ladder Match, Sleep Clause, Freeze Clause, OHKO Clause, Evasion Clause, Species Clause, Strict Damage Clause
kalamence sent out Hippowdon (lvl 100 Hippowdon ?).
DespoTheTar sent out Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Hippowdon's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
A sandstorm brewed!
DespoTheTar switched in Swampert (lvl 100 Swampert ?).
Hippowdon used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
The sandstorm rages.
---
kalamence switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Swampert used Curse.
Swampert's speed was lowered.
Swampert's attack was raised.
Swampert's defence was raised.
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom was badly poisoned!
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
---
Breloom used Leech Seed.
Breloom's attack missed!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Breloom lost 33% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
---
Breloom used Leech Seed.
Swampert was seeded!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
Breloom lost 33% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Spore.
Swampert fell asleep!
Swampert is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Substitute.
Breloom lost 25% of its health.
Breloom made a substitute!
Swampert is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Leech Seed.
But it failed!
Swampert is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 19% of its health.
---
Breloom used Leech Seed.
But it failed!
Swampert woke up!
Swampert used Waterfall.
It's not very effective...
The substitute took damage for Breloom!
Breloom's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 11% of its health.
Swampert's leftovers restored its health a little!
Swampert restored 6% of its health.
Swampert's health was sapped by leech seed!
Swampert lost 7% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Swampert fainted.
Breloom regained health!
---
DespoTheTar switched in Celebi (lvl 100 Celebi).
Pointed stones dug into Celebi.
Celebi lost 12% of its health.
Celebi used Trick.
Celebi obtained Toxic Orb!
Breloom obtained Choice Scarf!
Breloom used Spore.
Celebi fell asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Celebi is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Celebi lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
DespoTheTar switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
Infernape lost 12% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Starmie (lvl 100 Starmie).
Infernape used Stealth Rock.
Pointed stones float in the air around the foe's team!
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
---
DespoTheTar switched in Celebi (lvl 100 Celebi).
Pointed stones dug into Celebi.
Celebi lost 12% of its health.
Starmie used Surf.
It's not very effective...
Celebi lost 22% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Celebi is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Celebi lost 6% of its health.
Celebi was badly poisoned!
---
Starmie used Surf.
It's not very effective...
Celebi lost 23% of its health.
Celebi used U-turn.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 36% of its health.
DespoTheTar switched in Machamp (lvl 100 Machamp ?).
Pointed stones dug into Machamp.
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Starmie is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Starmie lost 6% of its health.
Machamp is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Starmie used Surf.
Machamp lost 53% of its health.
Machamp used Payback.
It's super effective!
Starmie lost 46% of its health.
kalamence's Starmie fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Machamp is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Hippowdon (lvl 100 Hippowdon ?).
Hippowdon's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Pointed stones dug into Hippowdon.
Hippowdon lost 6% of its health.
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
Hippowdon lost 27% of its health.
Hippowdon became confused!
Hippowdon is confused!
It hurt itself in its confusion!
Hippowdon lost 6% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Machamp is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Machamp lost 6% of its health.
Machamp's leftovers restored its health a little!
Machamp restored 6% of its health.
---
Machamp used Dynamicpunch.
Hippowdon lost 25% of its health.
Hippowdon's Sitrus Berry restored health!
Hippowdon restored 25% of its health.
Hippowdon is confused!
Hippowdon used Earthquake.
A critical hit!
Machamp lost 41% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Machamp fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
DespoTheTar switched in Celebi (lvl 100 Celebi).
Pointed stones dug into Celebi.
Celebi lost 12% of its health.
kalamence switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
Pointed stones dug into Forretress.
Forretress lost 12% of its health.
Celebi used Trick.
Celebi obtained Choice Band!
Forretress obtained Toxic Orb!
The sandstorm rages.
Celebi is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Celebi lost 6% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Celebi fainted.
---
DespoTheTar switched in Jirachi (lvl 100 Jirachi).
Pointed stones dug into Jirachi.
Jirachi lost 6% of its health.
Jirachi used Substitute.
Jirachi lost 25% of its health.
Jirachi made a substitute!
Forretress used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Jirachi!
Jirachi's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Fire Punch.
It's super effective!
Forretress lost 51% of its health.
Forretress used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Jirachi lost 60% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Hippowdon (lvl 100 Hippowdon ?).
Hippowdon's Sand Stream whipped up a sandstorm!
Pointed stones dug into Hippowdon.
Hippowdon lost 6% of its health.
Jirachi used Fire Punch.
Hippowdon lost 10% of its health.
Hippowdon was burned!
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
Hippowdon was hurt by its burn!
Hippowdon lost 12% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Substitute.
Jirachi lost 25% of its health.
Jirachi made a substitute!
Hippowdon used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
The substitute took damage for Jirachi!
Jirachi's substitute faded!
The sandstorm rages.
Jirachi's leftovers restored its health a little!
Jirachi restored 6% of its health.
Hippowdon was hurt by its burn!
Hippowdon lost 12% of its health.
---
Jirachi used Iron Head.
Hippowdon lost 15% of its health.
Hippowdon used Earthquake.
It's super effective!
Jirachi lost 9% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Jirachi fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Hippowdon was hurt by its burn!
Hippowdon lost 4% of its health.
kalamence's Hippowdon fainted.
---
kalamence switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
DespoTheTar switched in Infernape (lvl 100 Infernape ?).
Pointed stones dug into Breloom.
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Pointed stones dug into Infernape.
Infernape lost 12% of its health.
Infernape used Fake Out.
Breloom lost 15% of its health.
Breloom flinched!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
---
Breloom used Spore.
Infernape fell asleep!
Infernape is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Forretress (lvl 100 Forretress ?).
Pointed stones dug into Forretress.
Forretress lost 12% of its health.
Infernape is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Infernape is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Infernape lost 6% of its health.
---
Infernape is fast asleep!
Forretress used Explosion.
Infernape lost 45% of its health.
DespoTheTar's Infernape fainted.
kalamence's Forretress fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
---
kalamence switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
DespoTheTar switched in Gyarados (lvl 100 Gyarados ?).
Pointed stones dug into Breloom.
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados's Intimidate cut Breloom's attack!
Pointed stones dug into Gyarados.
Gyarados lost 25% of its health.
Breloom used Spore.
Gyarados fell asleep!
Gyarados is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Clefable (lvl 100 Clefable ?).
Pointed stones dug into Clefable.
Gyarados is fast asleep!
The sandstorm rages.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Clefable is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Gyarados woke up!
Gyarados used Dragon Dance.
Gyarados's attack was raised.
Gyarados's speed was raised.
Clefable used Seismic Toss.
Gyarados lost 27% of its health.
The sandstorm rages.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Clefable is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Gyarados used Waterfall.
Clefable lost 60% of its health.
Clefable used Thunder Wave.
Gyarados is paralysed! It may be unable to move!
The sandstorm rages.
Clefable is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Clefable's leftovers restored its health a little!
Clefable restored 6% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
Clefable used Seismic Toss.
Gyarados lost 27% of its health.
Gyarados used Waterfall.
Clefable lost 46% of its health.
kalamence's Clefable fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Breloom (lvl 100 Breloom ?).
Pointed stones dug into Breloom.
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Breloom used Leech Seed.
Gyarados was seeded!
Gyarados used Bounce.
Gyarados bounced up!
The sandstorm rages.
Breloom is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Breloom lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Breloom's Poison Heal restored health!
Breloom restored 12% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
Gyarados's health was sapped by leech seed!
Gyarados lost 12% of its health.
Breloom regained health!
Breloom restored 9% of its health.
---
Breloom used Leech Seed.
Breloom's attack missed!
Gyarados used Bounce.
It's super effective!
A critical hit!
Breloom lost 100% of its health.
kalamence's Breloom fainted.
The sandstorm rages.
Gyarados is buffetted by the sandstorm!
Gyarados lost 6% of its health.
Gyarados's leftovers restored its health a little!
Gyarados restored 6% of its health.
---
kalamence switched in Shuckle (lvl 100 Shuckle ?).
Pointed stones dug into Shuckle.
Shuckle lost 25% of its health.
kalamence: ...
kalamence: close game
DespoTheTar: brb xD Need to see if waterfall or bounce
DespoTheTar: does
DespoTheTar: more
DespoTheTar: damage
DespoTheTar: xDDDD
kalamence: waterfall
kalamence: it's super effective
DespoTheTar: Shoot
DespoTheTar: doesn't
DespoTheTar: kill
Gyarados used Waterfall.
It's super effective!
Shuckle lost 75% of its health.
kalamence's Shuckle fainted.
DespoTheTar wins!
kalamence: gg
DespoTheTar: Whaat
DespoTheTar: gg man
DespoTheTar: we should
DespoTheTar: male a warstory
kalamence: male?
kalamence: =P
DespoTheTar: **make
DespoTheTar: :P
kalamence: it you bounced I woulda won
kalamence: cuz of leach seed
kalamence: if*
DespoTheTar: Nah it ended when I killed breloom
kalamence: yep
DespoTheTar: gg though
kalamence: same
kalamence has left the room.

That was a very intense battle which Gyarados won me.
As you can see, bounce is a very good option. The first log really shows off thunderwave abuse, also showing how well Sub-Wave Jirachi works with it. (along with machamp for para-fusion.)
 
The sets play differently. For example, skarm has two sets with identical moves but the spdef set plays differently than the physically defensive one.
 

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Any particular reason why the main EVs for this gyarados (adamant version) doesn't have 184 speed?
 
The sets play differently. For example, skarm has two sets with identical moves but the spdef set plays differently than the physically defensive one.
But this doesn't play differently from the bulky set. Once the gig is up it will be easy for the first thing you paralysed to come back in safely .Trust me ive used the bulky gyara set with twave instead of taunt for months on end and when i switched to taunt i won alot more battles expecially against stall which is very dominant at the moment.Twave lets you catch gyara counter who most of the time dont mind paralysis .A slash with taunt is good. The ev's in the opening post are not really doing more than the bulky set.
 
But this doesn't play differently from the bulky set. Once the gig is up it will be easy for the first thing you paralysed to come back in safely .Trust me ive used the bulky gyara set with twave instead of taunt for months on end and when i switched to taunt i won alot more battles expecially against stall which is very dominant at the moment.Twave lets you catch gyara counter who most of the time dont mind paralysis .A slash with taunt is good. The ev's in the opening post are not really doing more than the bulky set.
Really? Taunt takes out things like Skarmary, stops other Gyara from DDing, stuff like that. However, it doesn't do anything to Celebi, Magnazone, etc.
Thunderwave, however, along with waterfall gives you great chance at hax being activated and the opponent not hitting, allowing it to sometimes beat the likes of Magnazone and Bulky Rotom, Thunder wave completely ruins scarf Rotom, if you hit a celebi with Thunder wave you can then bounce before it attack, forcing a switch, etc. This really doesn't play the same way.
 
The first log you posted shows you use Twave once and didn't even abuse it in anyway (no flinch. only one paralysis that didn't matter at all). In that same situation, you would've been better off DDing once more.
 
I still don't think the main spread you have done for this is the best. Again, the only reason we had it on our team is because we needed a bit more against Jolteon. If anything, make the Bulky DD spread with Adamant the main option, if not an even more defensive spread.
 
The first log you posted shows you use Twave once and didn't even abuse it in anyway (no flinch. only one paralysis that didn't matter at all). In that same situation, you would've been better off DDing once more.
Yes well, sometimes that happens. I was showing off the fact it can do well even without hax.
@ DJ; I have found this to be the most effective spread. If you think of a better one, let me know.
 
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