Hi so LC has been discussing a bunch on what to do with porygon, as everyone agrees that it has become broken in this generation with the addition of Z-conversion. I figured there should be a more open and sitewide discussion on what should be done with sets that are broken and include Z-moves, since Z-moves are kind of weird, and people in LC weren't exactly coming to a consensus. LC already banned Eevium-Z because that had an extremely and very obviously broken Z-move (boosted all stats by +2) and was very clearly broken on anything, even though it was restricted to eevee. The combination of that plus the move being easy to ban because of being based off of one item resulted in it being banned. But Porygon with Z-conversion is a more difficult issue. There isn't just an item that only results in Z-conversion, as it is based off of normalium Z. So I just wanted to get sitewide consensus, in the case of a broken set involving a z-move, how do we decide what is broken and so what to ban?
To be clear, it doesn't make sense to discuss the specifics of porygon here. Its better for LC council/tier leaders/whatever to decide what is broken, but I want a discussion of the philosophy of what makes a pokemon bannable vs. a z-move bannable that can be more generally applied. And then how (if ever) z-moves should be banned. Should we ban a z item that has any broken Z-moves? Should we ban the use of the Z-move in game? Should we complex ban using a certain move and item that results in the Z-move? Or should we just never ban Z-moves at all and ban any pokemon with a broken set, regardless of whether it involves a Z-move?
To be clear, it doesn't make sense to discuss the specifics of porygon here. Its better for LC council/tier leaders/whatever to decide what is broken, but I want a discussion of the philosophy of what makes a pokemon bannable vs. a z-move bannable that can be more generally applied. And then how (if ever) z-moves should be banned. Should we ban a z item that has any broken Z-moves? Should we ban the use of the Z-move in game? Should we complex ban using a certain move and item that results in the Z-move? Or should we just never ban Z-moves at all and ban any pokemon with a broken set, regardless of whether it involves a Z-move?