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Has anyone ever broken into your home and pointed a gun at you?

Has anyone ever broken into your home and pointed a gun at you?


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I don't see how I can actually practice shooting criminals. I am not a cop and I have not been in a scenario where I needed to use deadly force. So to answer your question no lol.I do however shoot every few weeks when I have the time, my shot is accurate and I don't take them all standing still like a moron. No real need to show evidence for my skill. I'll have it when it is needed. Most criminals don't actually wish to commit murder on their victims it is a power tool. If they mean actual harm to my family aside from robbery I'll take my shot at them. The last thing I'll ever do is be tied up and watched my family rapped or murdered. Have some dignity.

And OK, I apologize for repeating that information without doubling checking. Your correction really doesn't change anything otherwise.

Imanalt: The criminal isn't expecting to be met with resistance. There is an element of surprise taking a pistol out of your pocket instead of you money and immediately firing. Criminals are after more than just senseless murder, $$$. They aren't truly committed to killing someone as one should be with a gun pointed at them. At night with no one around I have my eye on anyone who approaches me as soon as they are in sight coming my way. In a mass shooting the presence of guns in the citizens hands is even more important. Teachers in Israel carry assault rifles for a reason.
 
So many incorrect assumptions/illogical conclusions to address.

The only difference is that guns only intention is to kill.

BINGO. Which is why your "ban cars" argument holds no water.

This comes with their ability to be used as for murder as well as self-defense. But truthfully I care more about my ability to defend my life than I care about my ability to travel in a vehicle.
I make no assumption about your age, but I know you're much younger than me. Without a car, I would have to take buses to work and add about 30-40 minutes travel time to a trip that takes me 20 to make. Additionally, I lose the ability to drive myself to get groceries, see family and friends, etc. Valuing guns over cars is incredibly short-sighted and naïve.

Both can be abused. There are far more deaths from car accidents (drunk or not) than gun murders, and there are far more guns.
At the moment, that is narrowly correct. But recent studies show that the yearly number of gun-related deaths are set to eclipse the number of car-related deaths by 2015. This is due to the increasing safety measures taken in relation to cars (and the lack thereof in relation to guns).

Gun control has only brought a rise in violent crime in Australia and the UK, regardless how minor their gun crime is.
This is also brazenly false. The UK has and has continuously had a very low gun-related crime rate. Most of their crimes are committed with knives, and I'd much rather have a knife pointed at me than a gun.

Criminals will never turn their guns in.
You greatly underestimate "criminals" (an incredibly vague and nebulous term, who exactly does that encompass?): many times in American history, large cities (I know Baltimore was one) have enacted programs where the police asked all citizens to turn in illegal firearms, no questions asked. It would be completely anonymous, and no arrests would be made. They recovered THOUSANDS.

"Criminals" rarely want to kill you any more than you want to get shot. Most of the "criminals" I'm sure you're referring to - urban black males - use handguns for the same reason YOU profess: self defense. Unless you are enlisted in a local gang war, the chances you'll need a handgun are incredibly remote.

All mass murders in the last 50 years minus 1 have been in no gun zones. Clearly gun control is not the issue. Society would be best with everyone armed at all times.
Because mass murderers are cowards who want a high body count, of course they'll go the path of least resistance. Keep in mind, dying in a mass murder is as likely as being struck by lightning or being in a plane crash. Do you walk around every day wearing a grounded lightning rod helmet?

Also, arming everyone = dangerous. There is absolutely no way to guarantee that everyone carrying a gun is properly trained on how to use it and keep it clean. Very recently, an experienced gun owner was showing a pistol to a man who wanted to buy it, and when he went to put it back in his car it accidentally discharged and killed his own son. And you want EVERYONE to carry?

btw: Once again quick draw fool. There were multiple of you. If you all had had a weapon what are the criminals odds?
This is ludicrous. We had been drinking and he PLANNED HIS ATTACK. The light was behind him so we couldn't see his face. The gun was already pointed at my face before I even knew he was standing there. A gun would've gotten me killed.

Another point is that if we were an armed society, criminals would think twice about robbing groups of people at night. Although self defense isn't for the faint hearted.
Or maybe they'd just shoot first instead of risking me pull my own piece out. They're already committing armed robbery, why not take the next step to ensure there is no witness?

If you have a concealed carry you recognize the everyday threat of criminals and would never think nothing of being walked up to at 3am in your own driveway. Hand on your pistol in your pocket at the very least, just incase. I'm confident that in 1 second I could fire upon an average thug / crackhead on the street attempting to rob me. And I would to save my own life and even morose to protect my family. And no logical thinking person should give up this right.

I actually have no problem with people properly training themselves in order to earn an concealed carry permit. But if you're really under the impression that you can "quick draw" on an armed robber, you're exactly the person who shouldn't have one.

I don't see how I can actually practice shooting criminals. I am not a cop and I have not been in a scenario where I needed to use deadly force.

Ah, and therein lies the entire problem of your argument: you think a gun magically solves the nightmare robbery scenario, except there's no way to train for that (unless you're law enforcement/military).

The last thing I'll ever do is be tied up and watched my family rapped or murdered. Have some dignity.
Resisting an armed robber is an entirely different situation than a home invasion. Besides, the home invasion goes one of two ways: either he gets the jump on you and there isn't dick you can do to save your family, or you hear him coming and have plenty of time to grab your piece and take care of business. There's no concealed carry/quick draw scenario there.

Imanalt: The criminal isn't expecting to be met with resistance. There is an element of surprise taking a pistol out of your pocket instead of you money and immediately firing. Criminals are after more than just senseless murder, $$$. They aren't truly committed to killing someone as one should be with a gun pointed at them.
I agree with this, and it's probably your strongest argument. But you really need to ask yourself what's worth losing: your wallet/phone, or possibly your life (plus wallet/phone anyway)?

Teachers in Israel carry assault rifles for a reason.
Yes. Because the country is at war.
 
So many incorrect assumptions/illogical conclusions to address.



BINGO. Which is why your "ban cars" argument holds no water.
They kill people.


I make no assumption about your age, but I know you're much younger than me. Without a car, I would have to take buses to work and add about 30-40 minutes travel time to a trip that takes me 20 to make. Additionally, I lose the ability to drive myself to get groceries, see family and friends, etc. Valuing guns over cars is incredibly short-sighted and naïve.
You could of course live closer to your job and bike cutting back on your travel costs, becoming healthier. Also growing your own GMO-free food is an alternative to the crap you can get at the grocery store. I do not want to ban cars.

At the moment, that is narrowly correct. But recent studies show that the yearly number of gun-related deaths are set to eclipse the number of car-related deaths by 2015. This is due to the increasing safety measures taken in relation to cars (and the lack thereof in relation to guns).


This is also brazenly false. The UK has and has continuously had a very low gun-related crime rate. Most of their crimes are committed with knives, and I'd much rather have a knife pointed at me than a gun.

You greatly underestimate "criminals" (an incredibly vague and nebulous term, who exactly does that encompass?): many times in American history, large cities (I know Baltimore was one) have enacted programs where the police asked all citizens to turn in illegal firearms, no questions asked. It would be completely anonymous, and no arrests would be made. They recovered THOUSANDS.
Ok let's try this with texas, I'm sure it will not result in civil war... :avatar2:

"Criminals" rarely want to kill you any more than you want to get shot. Most of the "criminals" I'm sure you're referring to - urban black males - use handguns for the same reason YOU profess: self defense. Unless you are enlisted in a local gang war, the chances you'll need a handgun are incredibly remote.
I'm not speaking necessarily of urban black males. Violent criminals with guns. Everyone has the right to self defense that does not make them a criminal. I don't think drugs should be illegal so the urban black males with handguns for self defense is another discussion.

Because mass murderers are cowards who want a high body count, of course they'll go the path of least resistance. Keep in mind, dying in a mass murder is as likely as being struck by lightning or being in a plane crash. Do you walk around every day wearing a grounded lightning rod helmet?
Why should there be a path of least resistance anywhere? And I do know it's unlikely.. But the fear of such events is what has promoted this debate at all.

Also, arming everyone = dangerous. There is absolutely no way to guarantee that everyone carrying a gun is properly trained on how to use it and keep it clean. Very recently, an experienced gun owner was showing a pistol to a man who wanted to buy it, and when he went to put it back in his car it accidentally discharged and killed his own son. And you want EVERYONE to carry?
My children will all be taught to handle a weapon and any responsible parent should do the same. Of all the things institutions put children / young adults through I don't see gun safety being included as a terrible thing. Also, I didn't mean literally everyone. Certain mental illnesses should definitely disqualify gun ownership


This is ludicrous. We had been drinking and he PLANNED HIS ATTACK. The light was behind him so we couldn't see his face. The gun was already pointed at my face before I even knew he was standing there. A gun would've gotten me killed.

Ok. I do not drink and I'm for the most part always alert to threat in this dark world of ours. It's unfortunate you were caught so off guard and were without defense. More violent crimes are prevented because the victim had a gun themselves than the amount of people who are killed by violent crime. (Minus our bogus wars). Get a gun, protect you and your families life.

Or maybe they'd just shoot first instead of risking me pull my own piece out. They're already committing armed robbery, why not take the next step to ensure there is no witness?
Well they didn't, you're here.. Robbery and murder are different. Both morally wrong, a poor thief can sleep at night knowing they at least didn't kill someone.



I actually have no problem with people properly training themselves in order to earn an concealed carry permit. But if you're really under the impression that you can "quick draw" on an armed robber, you're exactly the person who shouldn't have one.
Depending on the situation it's not really that implausible DM. A loaded pistol sitting in your pocket isn't inaccessible at all. If they are already right in your face with a gun to your head, and your hand isn't at least already on your own gun or in your pocket you're fucked, give them the money. But any situation can be reversed it all depends on at what point you realize what's going on. But you should always be ready. Value your life with everything.


Ah, and therein lies the entire problem of your argument: you think a gun magically solves the nightmare robbery scenario, except there's no way to train for that (unless you're law enforcement/military).
Mentally preparing is at least half of being able to handle the situation. If your a good shot and know when to grab your pistol and shoot there isn't much else needed.

Resisting an armed robber is an entirely different situation than a home invasion. Besides, the home invasion goes one of two ways: either he gets the jump on you and there isn't dick you can do to save your family, or you hear him coming and have plenty of time to grab your piece and take care of business. There's no concealed carry/quick draw scenario there.
True. But if there are multiple weapons in the house I pray my family has the courage to save the day quickly if I am met with an unfortunate surprise.

I agree with this, and it's probably your strongest argument. But you really need to ask yourself what's worth losing: your wallet/phone, or possibly your life (plus wallet/phone anyway)?
If it can't be prevented they can take my wallet and phone. But like I said with a concealed carry you have the right to your friends and yourself to be alert and prevent what you can.




Yes. Because the country is at war.
So are we......
 
You know what, I'll seriously address the thread.

Someone did break into a family friend's house with a gun. The family friend disabled him with a shot to the leg.

That said, waiting periods and positive mental health screenings (as opposed to the "do we know you're crazy yet? no? okay!" system we have now) do wonders
 
All of my quick-draw arguments

You seem to be watching way too many movies here kid, not everyone has the nerves of James Bond to go around a quickly shoot a person without mercy and be accurate and efficient about it. I can practice a speech a hudnred times and still lock up before saying it. Nothing can prepare a regular person for a mugging or what have you. Don't give me any bullshit practice thing either rehearsals =/= performance.

Also I have not been robbed, my family can leave keys and stuff right in our door and nothing will happen because Canada.

EDIT: "Ok let's try this with texas, I'm sure it will not result in civil war..."

Note the illegal firearms there, and it's voluntary. If you get your gun normally and are not forced to hand it into the police in the first place what sort of civil war are we talking about>
 
That's that persons problem. Criminals will have guns. You can chose to be helpless or not. If you have children or a wife (and honestly and family / humanity) it is your responsibility to defend their life against a violent criminal.

Oh ok I truly didn't see the "illegal" portion. Yes there should always be fair illegal gun collections, anonymously. I was thinking of an all out "assault" weapons confiscation which I fear will come from the Sandy Hook incident.
 
I was thinking more along the lines of Christianity lol, but we can include all religious beliefs sure.

Close minded power tripping online moderating might be a good idea as well. Those are the last people that need the power of a weapon. :D

You love me.
 
pretty obvious race was being discussed when Logan used the term "thug/crackhead", which are absolutely loaded racial terms

there are just as many white thugs and crackheads and im pretty sure there are more white methheads and bath salts and all the more scary mind altering drugs. alcohol of course.

regardless i wasnt trying to associate race. just undermining the character of the robber. There are not intelligent street gunpoint thieves. Smarter people can think of better ways to acquire currency than 3am robbing random drunks for whatever amount is in their wallet. They can't shoot a gun. Or react when someone blasts at them for a change. They are weak people.
 
It's like Deck Knight reproduced asexually and the offspring was even more unable to comprehend logic and/or realistic circumstances. I feel a new round of troll or idiot debates coming up! :DD

EDIT: How the hell have you been here so long? Retract my earlier statement, you are obviously his failed clone twin brother.

ON TOPIC EDIT: I share the opinion that more guns = more bullets fired = more people dead. This is not what we want. Even if the world functioned like you think it does where the good guys always shoot first and everyone is able to walk off smiling into the sunset, we don't want our criminals dead either. There are reasons why vigilantism is frowned upon/illegal in most societies.
 
I've been playing competetive pokemon since Netbattle.

And see I disagree that is what I want. I'd rather the criminal be treated as they threatened another member of society, with death. Or exhile. But the last thing we want as a society is successful criminals on the loose or to pay for them to sit in prison.
 
Aren't there any other options than banning all firearms and people being "defenseless"? I mean, there's tasers, and I'm sure there's some way of making guns more "safe", like banning all weapons capable of firing more than one bullet in rapid succession, or developing some sort of less-lethal round (with lighter materials or blunt shapes, idk).

Whilst personally I am all for banning firearms, there should be some sort of compromise to be considered, right?
 
1. Most murders are caused by someone the victim knows, not a random thug out to target random civilians
2. Most burglars would rather avoid a violent confrontation and just steal your shit
 
That's that persons problem. Criminals will have guns. You can chose to be helpless or not. If you have children or a wife (and honestly and family / humanity) it is your responsibility to defend their life against a violent criminal.

this is a prime example of masculinity being a major culprit in how poorly guns are used. society today is not run by cavemen anymore - i'm sure if your wife was hell bent on defending herself to the death, she could attain her own weapon, and not rely on you and your cowboy instincts to always ride in and save the day.

as for introducing guns to your children/gun safety in schools, that's sort of oxymoronic. guns are inherently unsafe. they are tools of destruction. if there should be any gun safety classes in schools, it should be how to stay the fuck away from them. you do not NEED a weapon. for anything. if a psychopath is set on killing you, he is probably going to achieve it. he will plans months ahead for the single moment when he takes your life, and knowing how well to draw your gun or shoot him dead in the chest probably isn't going to matter. if anything, he will know how to do it just a tad better than you do, and all your effort will have been for naught.

if someone is trying to burglarize you in the middle of the night, they aren't there to kill you. imagine shooting an obvious burglar and learning he was unarmed? should you still go to prison, or was his forced entry enough of a reason (for you, mind you) to shoot him dead? are your material possessions worth more than a person's life as soon as he tries to take them without permission?

this is such a tired argument, but it's obvious that those people who love their guns aren't going to budge on them. especially when they've got the constitution on their side. but, let me reiterate once more: you do not need a gun. you may think you do because you only want to be on an even playing field with the criminals/hoodlums/whomever else is "evil" that probably has a gun already. if i were to find myself at gun point for whatever reason, i would probably be wishing for a million different changes in circumstance before ever thinking "damn, i'd be totally fine right now if i had my own gun!!"
 
Whilst personally I am all for banning firearms, there should be some sort of compromise to be considered, right?

Whoa there, friend. This is America, we don't do that.

especially when they've got the constitution on their side.

No, they just think they do (and have been reinforced in that belief by backward thinking Supreme Court judges). If anyone actually read what the Second Amendment SAYS, they'd understand the right it affords.
 
No, they just think they do (and have been reinforced in that belief by backward thinking Supreme Court judges). If anyone actually read what the Second Amendment SAYS, they'd understand the right it affords.
The Constitution is what is commonly reffered to as a "living document" or the "Living Constitution," meaning, among other things, that interpretations change. So, until the Supreme Court reverses it's decision that basically changed the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged," the 2nd Amendment actually means that.
 
dm is a lawyer, I do not think he needs to have the constitutution explained to him
 
Aren't there any other options than banning all firearms and people being "defenseless"? I mean, there's tasers, and I'm sure there's some way of making guns more "safe", like banning all weapons capable of firing more than one bullet in rapid succession, or developing some sort of less-lethal round (with lighter materials or blunt shapes, idk).

Whilst personally I am all for banning firearms, there should be some sort of compromise to be considered, right?

Well, there is pepper spray, tear gas and rubber/plastic bullets.
 
The Constitution is what is commonly reffered to as a "living document" or the "Living Constitution," meaning, among other things, that interpretations change. So, until the Supreme Court reverses it's decision that basically changed the interpretation of the 2nd Amendment to "The right to keep and bear arms shall not be abridged," the 2nd Amendment actually means that.

Yes, I am fully aware of the Constitution's innate ability to change. But if you read the actual words of the Second Amendment, you will see that the current interpretation is clearly erroneous.

The ironic part? The conservative justices who have continuously upheld the current interpretation have very often been originalists/strict constructionists. Morons.
 
How can you interpret that to be anything else? .-.

Fishy, I never expect to have a crazed psychopath obsessed with killing me specifically.. In that case yeah they have a good chance at accomplishing it if they really set their mind to it and catch me off guard. I guess then I'm fucked lol. I'm not really worried about that scenario.

Home invasion at night you cannot use deadly force until they threaten you. So I'll give them a FREEZE MOTHERFUCKER and any movement towards me or sight of a weapon especially I would then fire. Just because their only intention was to steal doesn't correct them for breaking into my home where my family lives where they could be up to anything rape kidnapping murder whatever. Not happening. But I would comply with law and allow them their peaceful exit.

And she will have her own weapon, increasing our odds of survival when together and not requiring me to be her only safety since I can't be with her at all times lol.
 
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