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Pokémon Hawlucha
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Thundurus is a bit of a case where anything can happen. If Thundurus it switches in after a SD, it faces a guaranteed 2HKO from High Jump Kick, and whilst it can OHKO, it runs the risk of Hawlucha BPing before it can act unless it uses Taunt. Taunt prevents the pass, but if Hawlucha decides to attack with HJK instead, Thundurus takes 50-59% damage and will be KOed before it's able to attack.
This is true. I guess we'll just have to see what happens there.
But that's the point of the Power Herb. You'd be able to use Sky Attack in one turn and get the Unburden boost afterwards.
I'd like to try an Unburden @ Red Card set (Acro, HJK, SD, Baton/Encore), but what would be a good EV spread for it? I feel like it would need some bulk, but I also feel like if you're not fully invested in spe and atk there's not much point in running 'Lucha in the first place. Any suggestions?
Been using Fling + Dread Plate for the strongest fling you can have without having negative effects, especially against Aegislash who takes a hell of a lot of damage if you're at +2, also, non-contact so no loss of Attack boost from King's Shield.
Has anyone bred a Hawlucha with a Pokemon that has Fire Punch? I really dislike a set that's carrying both of his STABs as they are easily countered by MANY top Pokemon. I know that I shouldn't think that Hawlucha isn't OU material but I feel like he can be, if his movepool is good enough. The reason why I can see him being used in OU is because first off, he is notably fast and has Taunt. That automatically puts him in a great position against stallmons. The next thing is that he has serviceable Attack stat that is easily mitigated by Swords Dance. So with that said, if Hawlucha does indeed get Fire Punch albeit by some move tutor or by breeding, a set would look like
Hawlucha @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Mold Breaker
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
~ Swords Dance
~ High Jump Kick
~ Fire Punch
~ Taunt / Roost / U-Turn
I think Hawlucha can have great success with this set but this all relies on him getting Fire Punch. I will try to see if it does because it really shifts his role from the point of view people think of Hawlucha is now and what he can be.
Hawlucha @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Mold Breaker
4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
~ Swords Dance
~ High Jump Kick
~ Fire Punch
~ Taunt / Roost / U-Turn
I think Hawlucha can have great success with this set but this all relies on him getting Fire Punch. I will try to see if it does because it really shifts his role from the point of view people think of Hawlucha is now and what he can be.
Lol where the hell's the flying stab?
It doesn't get the superior Brave Bird. The Flying Gem isn't accessible in this generation, as of yet or even possibly never. You cannot transfer items through the PokeBank so I don't know why Pokemon Showdown is even allowing 'X' Gems in the first place.
Gems were rumored to come from smashed rocks? Maybe that's why?
That's the same exact reason why it's labeled a RUMOR. I have Rock Smashed for hours to no avail. I will be back so to confirm whether Hawlucha gets the elemental punches.
Just wait for tutors, chances are he'll get them from there, highly unlikely from egg.
'Many top Pokemon' meaning Aegislash and Thundurus. No other commonly used Pokemon has a fighting/ flying resistance, and Zapdos can't survive a +2 HJK even with its resistance. I've been using a gem-less Unburden Hawlucha at great length, and its STAB combo is all it needs. It 2HKOs every current OU Pokemon except Aegislash after a SD - it doesn't even need the Flying Gem. Fire Punch would be a completely inferior option to Acrobatics even if it were possible to obtain, and Taunt is vastly inferior to Baton Pass, given there isn't an OU stallmon alive that can live through Hawlucha's STAB combo.
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This is probably my favourite Gen 6 mon so far, but it's super frustrating that his full potential is locked off for now. If you ever see a haggard looking man staggering drunkenly through your street, tearing at his disheveled hair while shouting "Where?! Where are the gems?!" then you know that you've found me.
Is there any word on him learning Fake Out, perhaps? Normal Gem exists at least, so it could at least use that if it had access to Fake Out, akin to Unburden Hitmonlee.
Is there any word on him learning Fake Out, perhaps? Normal Gem exists at least, so it could at least use that if it had access to Fake Out, akin to Unburden Hitmonlee.
I completely agree with that last statement. As much as I would love a Flying Gem Hawlucha, the gem doesn't exist in X and Y. I've been playing without the Flying Gem since it'll be inevitable that at some point, they're going to change it so you can't use those gems. Hopefully they'll change it for the official Gen 6 metagame.
I've gotta say, Hawlucha is amazing and incredibly versatile with options like Taunt and Encore. Furthermore, he can even pull off an effective scouting set with Choice Band, U-turn, and Limber. With the gems unreleased, the set I'm using right now (and is working quite well) is SD, HJK, Acro, and Substitute with a Sitrus Berry. While most people suggest Encore, I never found myself using it. In this case, Substitute serves several purposes. For one, it's never bad to be behind a Sub, it blocks status and gives you a guaranteed turn of safety if your opponent switches out or fails to break it, enabling you to set up Swords Dance. It's also useful for getting your HP down to 50%, activating your Sitrus Berry, and thus gaining your Unburden boost. Sitrus will restore 25% of your health so you gain back half of the health lost from Subbing. Oftentimes I'll just take a hit I know will fail to KO, use Swords Dance, and let Sitrus activate on its own accord.
It's strange how little use this guy is getting, but I suppose it's because of Talonflame's dominance at the moment. A strong trio I've found is Talonflame, Hawlucha, and Blaziken. Extremely redundant, but that's the point, much like using SD Luke and CB Scizor on the same team. They all fit the same role, fast and strong. Your opponent may be able to take out Talonflame. They make KO Blaziken. They may kill Hawlucha. However, I if you run ll three you will break through the resistance and one of them is guaranteed a sweep.
It's strange how little use this guy is getting, but I suppose it's because of Talonflame's dominance at the moment. A strong trio I've found is Talonflame, Hawlucha, and Blaziken. Extremely redundant, but that's the point, much like using SD Luke and CB Scizor on the same team. They all fit the same role, fast and strong. Your opponent may be able to take out Talonflame. They make KO Blaziken. They may kill Hawlucha. However, I if you run ll three you will break through the resistance and one of them is guaranteed a sweep.
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I mentioned in an early post that he cannot get Fire Punch.
So what if Aegislash counters Hawlucha? That's what teammates are for.
Aegislash comes in on Hawlucha.
Hawlucha Baton Passes to Bulky SD Scizor.
Use Pursuit if Aegislash used King Shield on the switch.
Use SD to predict the King Shield if it didn't.
Not only is this a possible kill on Aegislash, it also has a chance to give a +4 Atk if Hawlucha set up its own SD before the switch.
Aegislash comes in on Hawlucha.
Hawlucha Baton Passes to Bulky SD Scizor.
Use Pursuit if Aegislash used King Shield on the switch.
Use SD to predict the King Shield if it didn't.
Not only is this a possible kill on Aegislash, it also has a chance to give a +4 Atk if Hawlucha set up its own SD before the switch.
The fact that Aegislash can't do anything to stop the pass makes it not a counter.
I have a normal gem found smashing rock in the fossil cave. So it's possible to find gems. Good for Hawlucha.
The Normal Gem is the only one anyone's confirmed to have found.
Which is a damned shame, because I have a Compoundeyes Galvantula and an Adaptability Basculin on my B1 cart who're going to miss their Thunder/Water gems.
As to Hawlucha, not getting Flying Gem is a huge disappointment, but at least he does get Unburden coupled with Acrobatics (and Fling, for what it's worth.)
Has anyone considered the value of Fling on this guy? Maybe packing a Flame Orb so he can Fling before it activates on him for the burn to cripple a physical opponent, then SD up or start flinging Power-Up Punches?
Unburden really seems like the best ability available for him, at any rate.
I must admit, I'm pretty pleased with him so far myself just in regular gameplay. I'd probably have a weird attraction to Hawlucha to begin with because the idea of a lucha-themed 'mon tickles me, but the fact that he has passable stats and good, heavy STABs is quite a nice bonus.
Sets i've thought up in my spare time of not paying attention to how to make an HTML:
Sub-PowerUp
Unburden @Flying/Fighting Gem
Adamant 252att 252spd 4hp
-Roost
-Substitute
-PowerUp Punch
-Acrobatics
This set you'll have to wait for gems to be released but on showdown it works fine. Unburden is a great ability we can agree and making this little bird faster can make or break a match. You can always replace PUP for something like BrickBreak but thatll take the point away from the boosting behind a sub.
Honelucha
Limber Leftovers
Jolly 252spd 252att 4hp
-HoneClaws
-Steel Wing
-Flyingpress
-Stoneedge
This set i actually really like but havent had a chance to use it on Showdown yet. The reason for HoneClaws is because none of the moves are 100% accuracy so this will boost acc and att negating for the most part that risk of missing. Flyingpress takes up the slot of 2 STAB moves and then you can have the other 2 moves for coverage. If you on confident you can run SD over claws but realize you will miss a move here and there
Sub-PowerUp
Unburden @Flying/Fighting Gem
Adamant 252att 252spd 4hp
-Roost
-Substitute
-PowerUp Punch
-Acrobatics
This set you'll have to wait for gems to be released but on showdown it works fine. Unburden is a great ability we can agree and making this little bird faster can make or break a match. You can always replace PUP for something like BrickBreak but thatll take the point away from the boosting behind a sub.
Honelucha
Limber Leftovers
Jolly 252spd 252att 4hp
-HoneClaws
-Steel Wing
-Flyingpress
-Stoneedge
This set i actually really like but havent had a chance to use it on Showdown yet. The reason for HoneClaws is because none of the moves are 100% accuracy so this will boost acc and att negating for the most part that risk of missing. Flyingpress takes up the slot of 2 STAB moves and then you can have the other 2 moves for coverage. If you on confident you can run SD over claws but realize you will miss a move here and there
The only problem with relying on Flying Press as a duo STAB move, I think, is that you lose the ability to hit Ghosts with STAB Acrobatics. (Fairly certain, at least, that Ghosts are immune to Flying Press entirely) Maybe the bird hits hard enough for it not to be an issue, but won't this set wind up walled by more Ghosts than just Aegislash?
In terms of that set i fully recognize that Hawlucha can be walled but i dont expect Hawlucha to be fighting most upper class Ghosts when tiers are finalized. Most fairies if i recall are slower than Haw (minus Azu's Aquajet) so have Steelwing for coverage seems at least fair. What I am more worried about with set is a fast Flying or Electric type (like Talonflame, Raikou, etc) since they can easily OKHO and outspeed. But from my pov Hawlucha may go up only as far as RU and i think any offensive set of this bird will do great overall in that tier
Raikou is slower than Hawlucha, and is OHKOed by +2 High Jump Kick, whilst Azumarill Aqua Jet fails to OHKO whilst Hawlucha comfortably OHKOs after a SD. There is no electric or flying type in OU that both outspeeds Hawlucha and can afford to take a HJK or Acrobatics to the face.
You'd have to be nuts to use PUP on Hawlucha. It doesn't have the staying power or the base attack to be able to use it effectively. Its virtue is that it makes it very, very hard for the opponent to switch anything in on it, but it needs the immediate power that HJK and Acro provide to manage that. I've been using Hawlucha extensively, and there's no way it's going to end up any lower than UU. It's far too threatening of a sweeper and too effective of a baton passer.
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