Uhhh, wrong thread? :P
In any case, CB Haxorus provides 648 attack off the bat. Think about that. That's some immense firepower.
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Uhhh, wrong thread? :P
In any case, CB Haxorus provides 648 attack off the bat. Think about that. That's some immense firepower.
So uh...is there anything that can live 2 outrages/live 1 outrage and outspeed and OHKO haxorus?
Ferrothorn with its Gyro Ball should put a huge dent, Skarmory can roost off the damage, Protect Gliscor and Protect Jellicent have a chance as well. Excadrill have better things to do than coming in and losing the balloon, but in a pinch it can revenge kill (at least) or even come in on an unboosted outrage (CB would kill exca with SR I think).
Don't expect a sweep using this guy though. The SD set is very risky, and the DD set is not good enough to break walls. Best options are usually Band or Scarf, weaken the counters, then bring in Excadrill or Landorus for a physical sweep.
CB Ice Shard users can come in (and WILL OHKO you). Whirlwind and Roar also screws you up as you try to set up.
Don't expect a sweep using this guy though. The SD set is very risky, and the DD set is not good enough to break walls. Best options are usually Band or Scarf, weaken the counters, then bring in Excadrill or Landorus for a physical sweep.
CB Ice Shard users can come in (and WILL OHKO you). Whirlwind and Roar also screws you up as you try to set up.
Haxorus has an easy time with them because using Protect while Haxorus Outrages resets it, giving it more turns to rip through a team.
Bone Dragon said:
Depends what set you're talking about. I know CB Haxorus with Rivalry, if it's the same gender, can 2HKO nearly anything except Skarmory, Ferrothorn and Bronzong. (Maybe Forretress as well.) Having Mold Breaker allows Haxorus to 2HKO Bronzong (Or OHKO, I can't remember.) but at the same time a little less power. DD Haxorus, after a DD, pretty much does the same as the two sets above me depending on the ability.
If Haxorus is at high health, Ferrothorn will die even with doing Gyro Ball, because Outrage is a 3HKO i believe. Skarmory can roost off the damage, but how can it counter back?
The only thing I have found is scarf Heatran with Dragon Pulse because it can live an Outrage. Seems real gimmicky tho
Metagross can take CB outrages all day, and 2HKO's back with basically his entire movepool.
4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe Metagross gets 2HKO'd by CB Outrage. Hardly what I'd call "all day." Even if you invest in bulk, Haxorus still has Earthquake.
Assuming it's banded it's going to be stuck using Outrage. Honestly it depends on the situation. Is Metagross Switching into Haxorous? Is Haxorous switching into Metagross? Are they both leads? Too many factors to make a definite answer.
1. Metagross has NO business running max speed.
2. We're talking about Choice Band Haxorus. Once it clicks Outrage, it's stuck.
Being locked into Outrage isn't exactly a problem for Haxorus. And Outrage does 38.5% - 45.3% to 252/4 Metagross, the most realistic spread, so there's a chance for Metagross to be 2HKO'd with Spikes support, and a very good chance if all 3 layers are up or Metagross has switched in before.
I am talking about switching into Haxorus for these situations. After some testing, most Ferrothorns actually aren't 3HKOd after Lefties (which I forgot to take into consideration, stupid me), and also gross also works pretty well because of his natural beefyness
Not if Meta carries Leftovers. Also if Haxorus is running Jolly it only does 35.2% - 41.5%. Meta has to watch out for DD ones though, as Earthquake does hurt. On the other hand Metagross can survive a +1 Earthquake (78.6% - 92.9%@Lum) and will 2HKO with Meteor Mash/Ice Punch + Bullet Punch almost always (always with Hazards).
I dont see the problem.I like it.Its Just and ugly face.All of this is game freaks problem.
Um....okay man.
Everytime I see Haxorus on Team Preview I think, "Damn". I find that Scarf or Band variants plow through my team with Outrage, and since I currently run Hail Stall, everything has protect which their only chance of survival, but it just resets Outrage. My only choice is to sack 2-3 members of my team. How do you play around this guy?
1. Switch to something weak or basically dead (death fodder)
2. After it dies, its stuck into outrage
3. Switch something in thats faster and kill it off
At the worst its a 1 v 1 trade. Scarf versions lack the power needed and are virtually non existant, and its pretty slow.
Some people might get fancy with earthquake, dragon claw, and brick break, but honestly most people who use this just go for outrage anyway.
Its kinda ridiculous that you pretty much have to sack a poke to it almost every time, maybe more if you don't have something that can outspeed it and OHKO
Its defenses are shit, and you should have atleast one pokemon on your team with a base speed over 97, I mean come on.
This. Haxorus isn't that difficult to deal with. It's very frail, all of them run Adamant so it's very slow, and it's very one-dimensional. Switch in Jirachi, kill it off with Iron Head. Let it kill something and bring in ANYTHING fast. Or use priority. OR ANYTHING. This pokemon is like, the opposite of a problem. It's cool as hell and all but not hard to deal with one bit.
Except for the fact that a good player can more often than not predict with Haxorus and beat out all of its counters, save Skarmory (who doesn't like Magnezone that well). Earthquake 2HKOes Jirachi, Brick Break 2HKOes Ferro, etc. Scizor is 2HKOed on the switchin, while it can't OHKO back with unboosted Bullet Punch (SD scizor is used more often than CB these days IMO). It's not that hard to look at team preview and see what Pokemon are threats to Haxorus, take them out beforehand, and then easily switch in and spam CB Outrage, which, again, is very hard to switch into if you're not named Jirachi, Ferrothorn, or Skarmory. I'm not saying that it's broken, because it's not by a long shot. I'm saying that CB Haxorus is usually fairly hard to deal with, and despite the fact that it is "one-dimensional", it uses a tried-and true strategy that works. It is a threat.
Wait, how do you even get to +3 with Haxorus? Don't people run priority anymore?