Pet Mod Hoenn Gaiden - Slate 14 (Return and Rework)

[xXBootyPopperXx]

Gallade
Weavile
Komala
Infernape
Scolipede
Bisharp
Sandaconda (me)
Vespiquen
Simipour
Escavalier
Drudigon
Toxapex
Yanmega
Cobalion
Turtinator
Rotom H
Seismtoed
Dhelmise
Nihelego
Scrafty
Honchkrow
Morpeko
Necrozma
Urshifu Single
Urshifu Rapid
Sandaconda(gek)
Avalugg (jim)
Avalugg (gek)
Minior

 

[anaconja]

bisharp, rezzo
vespiquen, anaconja
druddigon, anaconja
cobalion, dkkoba
weavile, yakattack
dhelmise, yakattack
pex, pz
minior, pz
nihilego, shitrock
necrozma, anaconja
komala, rezzo
urshifu-rapid, zxg
urshifu, zxg
simipour, chmem
escavalier, chmem
infernape, bootypopper
toad, jimcool
heattom, pz
scrafty, yoshiblaze
yanmega, yoshiblaze
gallade, lord zorz
turtonator, lord zorz
scolipede, bootypopper
morpeko, yoshiblaze
honchkrow, chmem
sandaconda, gekokeso
sandaconda, bootypopper
avalugg, gekokeso
avalugg, jimcool

 

[Lord Zorz]

1. Scrafty, Yoshiblaze - When I seen this submission I was so happy! I was originally talking with Rezzo about submitting this!
2. Gallade, Lord Zorz (sv) - Stand by Gallade being super cool for the meta.
3. Scolipede, xXBootyPopperXx - Scolipede would be a fun addition to the meta, not the most crazy or interesting, but solid and I like the 'mon.
4. Bisharp, Rezzo - Godlike idea, putting aside the personal bias of Gallade and Scolipede, this and Scrafty are really impactful.
5. Vespiquen, Anaconja - A surpising submission but a rad one none the less, Ground/Bug is sick af.
6. Turtonator, Lord Zorz (sv) - Unique tools, coupled with a current gen 'mon that will otherwise fade into obscurity makes for something to rally for.
7. Simipour, Chmem - Sick take on the 'mon, honestly would slide right into the meta.
8. Honchkrow, Chmem - ngl I just like Honchkrow
9. Infernape, xXBootyPopperXx - This is a wild idea that if it gets in will probably need to be looked at carefully, it's still a sick idea.
10. Komala, Rezzo - Very very cool 'mon and ability. Just a bit plain for my tastes, super unique and allows for interesting plays though.
11. Avalugg, Jimothy Cool - I like this Avalugg better.
12. Avalugg, Gekokeso - I like this Avalugg slightly less. I consider these the same vote but lean more towards Cool's.
13. Yanmega, Yoshiblaze - For a Speed Boostin Bug type, I like Scolipdede more, and I think this could get annoying fast.
14. Cobalion, DkKoba - Really not a fan of what this 'mon offers, but I can still see it being cool.
15. Urshifu Rapid Strike, zxgzxg - So while Simipour is superior, I'm willing to rate Rapid Strike so high because it'd still be sick af. URSHIFU STRIKE!
16. Sandaconda, Gekokeso - I like this Sandaconda better.
17. Sandaconda, xXBootyPopperXx - I like this Sandaconda slightly less.
18. Weavile, Yak Attack - It's not bad. Just not interested in this when I'm all for Bisharp.
19. Druddigon, Anaconja - Just not an eye catching thing.
20. Seismitoad, Jimothy Cool - Even with unnerve I wouldn't want this, I like Swampert and Quagsire just fine.
21. Morpeko, Yoshiblaze - Has some interesting traits to it, don't really care for it to be in HG.
22. Minior, Porygon-Z - Just seems like a less fun Aero to me.
23. Nihilego, Shitrock Enjoyer - Wouldn't be opposed to this getting in, I'd just rather any of the above get in beforre it.
24. Toxapex, Porygon-Z - Actually balanced, but I'd rather any other defensive pokemon get in. It also invalidates a few niche 'mons.
25. Escavalier, Chmem - Honestly I find this submission very boring. Doesn't bring anything new or interesting to the game.
26. Necrozma, Anaconja - We already have a strong mono-Psychic type that needs to be explored more(Deo), this doesn't call to me.
27. Urshifu Single Strike, zxgzxg - Less interesting than Rapid Strike.
28. Dhelmise, Yak Attack - Sorry but I'm personally vetoing any more ghosts. We have a lot.
29. Rotom, Porygon-Z - I think the only pokemon I would want to have less in HG than Rotom... Would be Keldeo. Sorry.

 

[Rezzo]

Vespiquen, Anaconja
Bisharp, Rezzo (sv)
Scrafty, Yoshiblaze
Komala, Rezzo (sv)
Turtonator, Lord Zorz
Yanmega, Yoshiblaze
Simipour, Chmem
Avalugg, Jimothy Cool
Gallade, Lord Zorz
Infernape, xXBootyPopperXx
Scolipede, xXBootyPopperXx
Druddigon, Anaconja
Sandaconda, Gekokeso
Minior, Porygon-Z
Nihilego, Shitrock Enjoyer
Urshifu Rapid Strike, zxgzxg
Cobalion, DkKoba
Necrozma, Anaconja
Escavalier, Chmem
Seismitoad, Jimothy Cool
Weavile, Yak Attack
Sandaconda, xXBootyPopperXx
Toxapex, Porygon-Z
Urshifu Single Strike, zxgzxg
Morpeko, Yoshiblaze
Avalugg, Gekokeso
Honchkrow, Chmem
Dhelmise, Yak Attack
Rotom, Porygon-Z

 

[DkKoba]

Rotom, Porygon-Z
Cobalion, DkKoba
Komala, Rezzo
Weavile, Yak Attack
Nihilego, Shitrock Enjoyer
Sandaconda, xXBootyPopperXx
Bisharp, Rezzo
Scrafty, Yoshiblaze
Druddigon, Anaconja
Seismitoad, Jimothy Cool
Avalugg, Gekokeso
Sandaconda, Gekokeso
Honchkrow, Chmem
Yanmega, Yoshiblaze
Gallade, Lord Zorz
Escavalier, Chmem
Necrozma, Anaconja
Simipour, Chmem
Scolipede, xXBootyPopperXx
Turtonator, Lord Zorz
Avalugg, Jimothy Cool
Urshifu Single Strike, zxgzxg
Urshifu Rapid Strike, zxgzxg
Infernape, xXBootyPopperXx
Vespiquen, Anaconja
Dhelmise, Yak Attack
Toxapex, Porygon-Z
Minior, Porygon-Z
Morpeko, Yoshiblaze



my order

 

[Yak Attack]

Bisharp, Rezzo
Weavile, Yak Attack (SV)
Sandaconda, Gekokeso
Vespiquen, anaconja
Dhelmise, Yak Attack (SV)
Avalugg, Jimothy Cool
Avalugg, Gekokeso
Yanmega, Yoshiblaze
Cobalion, DkKoba
Honchkrow, Chmem
Toxapex, Z-nogyroP
Rotom-H, Z-nogyroP
Gallade, Lord Zorz
Druddigon, anaconja
Infernape, xXBootyPopperXx
Necrozma, anaconja
Simipour, Chmem
Urshifu-Single-Strike, zxgzxg
Komala, Rezzo
Scolipede, xXBootyPopperXx
Minior, Z-nogyroP
Scrafty, Yoshiblaze
Morpeko, Yoshiblaze
Escavalier, Chmem
Turtonator, Lord Zorz
Sandaconda, xXBootyPopperXx
Seismitoed, Jimothy Cool
Urshifu-Rapid-Strike, zxgzxg
Nihilego, Shitrock enjoyer

 

[Paulluxx]

Bisharp, Rezzo
Vespiquen, Anaconja
Scrafty, Yoshiblaze
Komala, Rezzo
Infernape, xXBootyPopperXx
Turtonator, Lord Zorz
Yanmega, Yoshiblaze
Simipour, Chmem
Avalugg, Jimothy Cool
Gallade, Lord Zorz
Scolipede, xXBootyPopperXx
Druddigon, Anaconja
Sandaconda, Gekokeso
Minior, Porygon-Z
Nihilego, Shitrock Enjoyer
Urshifu Rapid Strike, zxgzxg
Cobalion, DkKoba
Escavalier, Chmem
Seismitoad, Jimothy Cool
Weavile, Yak Attack
Sandaconda, xXBootyPopperXx
Toxapex, Porygon-Z
Urshifu Single Strike, zxgzxg
Morpeko, Yoshiblaze
Avalugg, Gekokeso
Honchkrow, Chmem
Dhelmise, Yak Attack
Necrozma, Anaconja
Rotom, Porygon-Z

 

[Chmem]

Simipour, Chmem
Infernape, xXBootyPopperXx
Bisharp, Rezzo
Turtonator, Lord Zorz
Druddigon, Anaconja
Weavile, Yak Attack
Rotom-Heat, Porygon-Z
Vespiqueen, Anaconja
Escavalier, Chmem
Dhelmise, Yak Attack
Cobalion, DkKoba
Gallade, Lord Zorz
Yanmega, Yoshiblaze
Avalugg, Jimothy Cool
Honchkrow, Chmem
Nihilego, Shitrock Enjoyer
Scolipede, xXBootyPopperXx
Seismitoad, Jimothy Cool
Komala, Rezzo
Urshifu Single Strike, zxgzxg
Urshifu Rapid Strike, zxgzxg
Morpeko, Yoshiblaze
Avalugg, Gekokeso
Scrafty, Yoshiblaze
Sandaconda, Gekokeso
Sandaconda, xXBootyPopperXx
Toxapex, Porygon-Z

 

[Rezzo]

Voting is Closed!
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aaaannnndddd... results have been tallied! Here are our entrants:

1. Rezzo's Bisharp!

Name: Bisharp
Type: Dark / Steel
Base Stats: 75 HP (+10) / 90 Atk (-35) / 100 Def / 115 SpA (+55) / 70 SpD / 70 Spe
Abilities: Shed Skin / Pressure
Removed Moves: Knock Off, Spite, Low Kick
New Moves: Focus Punch, Foul Play, Rock Slide, Sucker Punch

Description: I think I've had this idea for over a year and I finally have a chance to submit it. The concept is that Bisharp can fit on spikes balance teams as an aid to remove ghost types while relieving the pressure from Tyranitar of being both the weather setter and the Pursuit trapper all at the same time. Obvious downside is that it's Dugtrio weak, kinda, though it gets Sucker Punch thanks to previous slates meaning that Dugtrio isn't the most consistent way of revenging it. It also has to rely on HP Dark to consistently hit Dark types harder which isn't ideal. Basically, its movepool as well as its only decent-ish defensive stats serve a very specific role in trapping ghosts on teams that are strongly focused on winning spikes on the field.

(Notable Moves: Brick Break, Focus Punch, Foul Play, Hidden Power Dark, Pursuit, Sucker Punch, Taunt, Thief, Thunder Wave)

2. anaconja's Vespiquen!

Name: Vespiquen
New Typing: Bug / Ground
New BST: 70 / 100 / 105 / 60 / 105 / 40 | 480
New Abilities: Pressure
New Moves: Lunge, Earthquake, Sand Tomb, Rock Slide, Baton Pass, Whirlwind
Relevant Moves:

Attack Order, Lunge, Earthquake, Rock Slide

Heal Order, Toxic, Whirlwind, Baton Pass
Description: THE slow baton passer with NO weaknesses to rock/ground/bug. having heal order as reliable recovery is amazing, attack order can be a serviceable stab but is largely outclassed by lunge, and defend order sucks as usual. its bulk allows it to narrowly avoid a 2hko from zapdos' hp ice if its only max hp invested but obv not a great idea to do. bug/ground is not terribly passive but when mence/gyarados/etc inevitably come in you can toxic them and/or phaze them out.

3. anaconja's Druddigon!

Name: Druddigon
New Typing: Dragon / Dark
New BST: 87 / 120 / 90 / 90 / 90 / 48 | 525
New Abilities: Rough Skin / Mold Breaker
Relevant Moves:

Earthquake, Rock Slide, Superpower, HP Bug, Sludge Bomb

Dragon Claw, Crunch, Sucker Punch, Pursuit, Flamethrower, Surf, Thunder Punch

Glare, Taunt
Description: everyone loves their mold breaker. it allows eq to hit valuable targets such as the new magnezone. this mon also just has ridiculously wide coverage allowing for it to do a lot of things like pursuit trapping (it can trap jellicent because it resists water. poggers). although its piss slow it remedies that through glare. overall just a creatura thatll probably live in the walls of the meta.

4. Rezzo's Komala!

Name: Komala
Type: Normal
Base Stats: 95 (+30) / 115 / 65 / 75 / 95 / 65
Abilities: Comatose
Removed Moves: Knock Off, Superpower, Swords Dance
New Moves: Body Slam, Double Edge, Focus Punch, Sucker Punch

Description: Comatose would be very cool status immunity in a tier where status is progress. To me at least, Komala just sort of naturally feels like it belongs here - though I buffed its HP stat so it stands some merit when compared to Snorlax beyond just blocking Gengar / Jellicent Wisp while having Rapid Spin at the same time.

(Notable moves: Brick Break, Body Slam, Bulk Up, Earthquake, Frustration, Hidden Power, Rapid Spin, Return, Rock Slide, Toxic, Wish)

5. Yoshiblaze's Scrafty!

Name: Scrafty
Type:

Base Stats: 75/90/115/45/115/58
Abilities: Shed Skin / Intimidate

Movepool

(Notable Moves Bolded, repeats aren't bolded)

Low Kick, Leer, Headbutt, Sand Attack, Facade, Protect, Beat Up, Scary Face, Brick Break, Swagger, Crunch, High Jump Kick, Focus Punch, Feint Attack, Counter, Detect, Fake Out, Amnesia, Fire Punch, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Focus Punch, Roar, Toxic, Bulk Up, Hidden Power, Sunny Day, Taunt, Hyper Beam, Protect, Rain Dance, Frustration, Iron Tail, Earthquake, Return, Dig, Shadow Ball, Brick Break, Double Team, Rock Tomb, Sludge Bomb, Torment, Facade, Secret Power, Rest, Attract, Thief, Snatch, Double-Edge, Dynamic Punch, Mimic, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Seismic Toss, Mega Punch, Mega Kick, Body Slam, Rock Slide, Counter, Snore, Mud-Slap, Swift, Endure, Ice Punch, Thunder Punch, Fire Punch, Nightmare,
Circle Throw, Foul Play, Strength, Rock Smash

Description: Hoenn Gaiden is Ghost-heavy, status-heavy, Fairy-lacking, and still dominated by TTar. All of these factors are great for a bulky Fighting/Dark-type like Scrafty. While Grimmsnarl does exist, Scrafty's superior bulk and Intimidate make it a much better Pokemon, being able to constitently take on Rock-types. Shed Skin is also a huge boon for it, giving it the option to run Bulk Up + Rest sets to act as a dangerous wincon that can set up on TTar and Toxic-reliant walls.

Set

Scrafty @ Leftovers
Ability: Shed Skin
EVs: 252 HP / 224 SpD / 32 Spe
Careful Nature
- Brick Break
- Shadow Ball / Rock Slide
- Bulk Up
- Rest

Scrafty @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Circle Throw
- Shadow Ball / Toxic
- Rest
- Sleep Talk

6. Yoshiblaze's Yanmega!

Name: Yanmega
Type:

Base Stats: 86/76/86/126/56/95
Abilities: Speed Boost / Compound Eyes

Movepool

(Notable Moves Bolded, repeats aren't bolded)

Tackle, Foresight, Quick Attack, Double Team, Sonic Boom, Detect, Supersonic, Uproar, Pursuit, Ancient Power, Slash, Screech, Hypnosis, Wing Attack, Double-Edge, Feint Attack, Leech Life, Pursuit, Reversal, Secret Power, Whirlwind, Signal Beam, Dragon Claw, Toxic, Hidden Power, Sunny Day, Hyper Beam, Protect, Rain Dance, Giga Drain, Frustration, Return, Psychic, Shadow Ball, Double Team, Aerial Ace, Facade, Secret Power, Rest, Attract, Thief, Snatch, Steel Wing, Solar Beam, Double-Edge, Fury Cutter, Mimic, Sleep Talk, Substitute, Swagger, Counter, Snore, Mud- Slap, Swift, Endure, Dream Eater, Nightmare, Sky Attack, Sweet Kiss, Lunge, Twister, Cut, Fly

Description: We don't have many highly ranked Bugs and we don't have any purely special Bugs now that Ledian's been nerfed, so here's one. I initially wanted to do Volcarona, but it ended up being too similar to Moltres, so here's this: the actually special attacking Dragon. Yanmega is very much a glass cannon as Bug/Dragon really isn't a great typing (supremely overrated typing but i have to make Yanmega Bug/Dragon, it's the law), but with that 126 SpA and adeuqate coverage between Dragon Claw, Giga Drain, and HP Fire, stuff is gonna get hurt. Speed Boost is huge for outspeeding unboosted Mence and Flygon after a turn (or a few turns if they already DDanced). Just make sure that Blissey is already dead before you go all in, you're not beating that no matter how many times you hit it with Lunge.

Set

Yanmega @ Leftovers / Expert Belt
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 2 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Dragon Claw
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Giga Drain
- Protect

yanma throwback AKA worse kleavor (Yanmega) @ Liechi Berry
Ability: Speed Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Substitute
- Reversal
- Lunge
- Protect

7. Yak Attack's Weavile!

Name: Weavile
Types:

Base Stats: 70 / 90 (-30) / 65 / 90 (+45) / 85 / 110 (-15)
Abilities: Water Absorb / Guts
Removed Moves: Calm Mind
New Moves: Crunch, Sucker Punch
Description: Another Pursuit trapper? Yes please. Jellicent demolishes this tier, so I was looking for a way to make teams have an easier time with it. Weavile can now threaten it with Crunch / Pursuit with 90 SpA. Being able to absorb Surf is a big deal. I removed Calm Mind because it would just be a better Jynx if so, and Jynx can really snowball (pun intended) under the right conditions, especially on Hail teams. Guts allows it to play mind games with Jellicent. If it gets burned, it can OHKO Ttar with Brick Break. Last, Sucker Punch allows it to finish off Flygon if it eats an Ice Beam with a Yache Berry.

8. Chmem's Simipour!

Name: Simipour
New Typing: Water / Fighting
New BST: 75 / 98 / 63 / 98 / 63 / 101 | 498
New Abilities: Torrent / Guts
Removed Moves: Knock off
Notable Moves:

Superpower, Acrobatics, Focus punch, Brick break, HP ghost, Facade

Ice beam, hydro pump, HP grass, Crunch, Surf

Taunt

Description: Speedy mixed attackers are such a fun archetype, and I think simipour has the stats and movepool to make that role work in a fun and (hopefully) balanced way. Simipour would not be a mon that would stick around all game, but whenever it gets in it can use its speed, mixed stabs, and huge amount of possible movesets to make every entry a living nightmare for the opponent with its. The addition of guts further increases its power and punishes wisps and toxics like few other mons can. Simipour's main weakness is its longevity in a meta full of spikes, sand, and damaging status. I removed knock off because I think it would be too good on simipour.

Overtuned? I was thinking he might (according to my middling knowledge) be a bit strong so I came up with some possible nerfs. If he seems to0 good, I would say remove superpower. still too much? remove torrent. Still too much? Remove guts. If after that he's still too much, then scrap him lmao

SETS!!!!

Simipour sets

Special biased mixed attacker (Torrent Petaya Hydro... this guy might be a bit strong lmao)
Simipour @ Petaya Berry / Lum Berry/ Expert Belt / Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 4 Atk / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
IVs: 30 Atk
- Hydro Pump / Surf
- Ice Beam
- Hidden Power [Grass]
- Superpower

Physical Biased Mixed attacker
Simipour @ Liechi Berry / Leftovers / Expert Belt / No item
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Superpower
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Acrobatics / Ice beam / Facade
- Hydro Pump

Choice band
Simipour @ Choice Band
Ability: Guts
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpA / 252 Spe
Hasty Nature
- Superpower
- Hidden Power [Ghost]
- Facade
- Hydro Pump

Which is a lot of Pokemon! They will be added to the mod gradually in pairs, with the top 2 submissions going in immediately.

Oh a few closing comments about stuff that's qualified:

Simipour: Superpower is pre-vetoed, I must have glanced over this when checking submissions. Don't fret - this will be changed to Cross Chop.
Druddigon: re Superpower; going to allow it since it's a level up move.

Other Thoughts: Three dedicated Pursuiters won hopefully this ends up being fine but it's a bit of an unintended aggressive push in the direction of trapping, and might have too much of a negative effect on pursuit-weak Pokemon. Psychic types like Starmie and Raichu, as well as the obvious ghost types this targets will be negatively affected methinks. Hopefully this ends up being all okay, but time shall tell!

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And that's it for my round of slates, thanks to everyone who participated, it's been a great round and has pushed Hoenn Gaiden into new territory. This is most likely the final slate I'll run for this mod.

I'll see you all on DH for friendlies, as well as around here the next upcoming slates. Cya!

 

[Madam Monette]

I have no concept of the meta, since I've been out of the loop, but you at least earned yourself a new discord member!

 

[Rezzo]

The development of Hoenn Gaiden will continue in this thread. See you there!