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4 pokes as counters are a few counters? As said before Rhydon, Regirock, Aggron, Klinglang and Stunfisk all counter the SubRoost Moxie set. If Honchkrow doesn't have sub and has HP Ground then Regirock with some S.Def works, SubWisp Rotom absolutely counters you since you have no sub to block WoW, Stunfisk counters, Physically defensive Cresselia with T-Wave counters, Rhydon with some S.Def counters, Ferroseed can Leech Seed and T-Wave you and avoids a 2hko from BB so it also counters, Lanturn can tank BBs and HP Grounds and paralyze you with T-Wave. Are those enough? And please don't say that those pokes are worn down easily and have no recovery because Honchkrow will be losing health from BB,LO and SR too.You listed a few of Pokemon that counter Honchkrow, and while we probably missed some, presumably (that is, you can do the calcs yourself...) almost every other Pokemon loses to it.
And no, almost all other pokes don't lose to Honchkrow. There are faster pokes that can take a SP and can ohko like Moltres, Kabutops and Hitmonchan (and others), faster pokes with priority like Entei and Hitmonchan and finally faster Substitue or status users (since the Krow you are talking about lack sub) like Rotom, Rotom-C, Uxie, Liligant etc. These are all good checks.
I am not belittling you. I am saying to you to not stuck in things that don't matter. I mentioned 4 viable counters and the only think you have to tell me is how Stunfisk sucks? Ok use another one then. And pls don't mention Ampharos. I just mentioned him to say that he can work not as a legitimate counter. It can work but is most of the times outclassed. So pls let's focus to the point!I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say here. Some of the Pokemon you listed are generally useless other than for countering Honchkrow and you're belittling me for pointing that out?
You didn't understand me. What i am saying is that it is not so easy for Honchkrow to get a kill. Not that it is easy to kill it. But if you have a Flying resistor alive, then you can bring something that threatens Honckrow after pivoting to your flying resistor. Of 'course the Honckrow user can guess too, but my point was that Honckrow doesn't get Moxie boosts as easy as you make it sound.As long as your Brave Bird resist is absurdly bulky (Regirock or Rhydon) and doesn't die to Sucker Punch or HP.....that's been my point the entire time.
Noone said that every single flying resistant poke can switch into Honchkrow. That's a given. This is like saying that because Medicham resists Rock, it can switch into CBTar's SE. But there are enough flying resistant pokes in the tier that have other uses except dealing with Krow.A major pet peeve of mine is that people see the shiny "not very effective" all of the sudden assume "oh it's a counter". No, that's not true. Not even most of the time. What you're suggesting is that carrying a non specific flying-type resist is going to let you get around Honchkrow but as you've seen that's not the case. There are a lot of resists that do counter Honchkrow but lots don't.
I think we all agree with this!Honchkrow's wall breaking power isn't even the main selling point. It's the sweeping and revenge killing potential with Sucker Punch.