NOC Hope+1 Game Thread

[apricity]

i wanted to wall tonight but i'm not going to.

toni i think is scum for lurking viper i think is scum for avoiding interaction with the thread. i gave him a lot of room more room than i really should've given him to get into the game after the vacation and he has not done so.

i soul read page 27 as dusk town, i don't really want to explain why.

toni and viper are both fine lynches for today. i want viper over toni because i think viper has not been analyzing the thread, i think he was playing dumb on day 3 when we lynche dmoody and he was toying with me over the cop guilty, i think his reads are lazy, i think his read on me in particular makes no sense because he sheeps my reads on dusk and moody yet reads me as scum, possibly this is because scum organized an "attack hal lollapolooza" for the first two days. and i think he has done nothing of value.

dusk town makes viper scum much easier to stomach as well.

 

[apricity]

toni is absent, viper is kind of here but when he is he's not doing work and when he's not is when i know he has time to devote to the game.

so i'm going to vote viper who i think is not only more scum but i think will grant more info out of the wagon even if we do miss

kind of worried about the game because of my 180 on dusk but this play feels correct

 

[apricity]

also i do think i have a better handle on viper's play than i do of toni's, from last game and from just general tonal things

i know this will probably give him the creeps from last game but i do mean it this time lol

i should be able to check in before deadline but don't expect much from me. all i really want to say tonight is that i don't like the dusk wagon anymore and i want to move onto viper who has been active lurking and being generally scummy, i gave him a pass for it because he has been on vacation but he's back now and he's still being scummy and so i think it is high time for this wagon to build.

 

[apricity]

i also really don't want to just lurker lynch today.

 

[Duskfall98]

Well I've explained already viper was my primary lynch and given reasoning. If there's a chance of a wagon I'm clearly going to act on it. Reason I hadn't before is I thought no one else would vote him.

Vote Viper

 

[ChangedWawmen]

First just want to clarify, we can be pretty sure that at least one mafia voted moody, otherwise it would be making it far to easy for us to narrow down who scum is. If we only had absolutely 3 suspects we could just vote them all off over the next 3 days with no reads, so this isnt right in my opinion.


Thanks but I'm not mafia so unhelpful hahah. Anyways changing my read on wawman to neutral, mostly because I just think he hasn't read everything and is under informed. His only reason for me to be guilty is my page 2 actions which I have spoke about and the fact I didn't vote for moody. I mean sorry? I didn't know he was mafia lol.

Ok next up, Apricity I am gonna move to neutral now. Although the way he acts makes me think he is scum, he really helped pave the way for the moody lynch. Will probably move him town sided soon, just don't want to make the immediate clear jump.

Texas I am leaning town, because although he has not been incredibly active he has good reason (holiday). When he has been round, his discussion has contributed a lot and he has been really intuitive I think.

Whydon I think is town but I am not as sure on this one, he has not done anything which indicates scum to me so I am just rolling with him being a good guy I guess. Also he made an early read on moody.

Jay I am neutral on because he hasn't been involved in a terrible amount of discussion but he has contributed a bit so not super suspecting him.

Toni I am leaning scum on. When he has been around he acted a bit shadey and while this alone wouldn't be enough to make me say scum, the way rag played before me gives me the feel they are indeed mafia. So he is one of my reads.

Final one and one I am now most sure of is viper. I have isolated his posts to try find his reads and I kid you not, I am stuggling to find one situation where he has given any form of reasoning for a vote. I will give you some examples:



^Manages to read everyone with 0 decription why here.



I think this is honestly the closest he comes to any form of formulated opinion, and it's not an opinion he is just listing possibilities. I mean viper as a response to this could you please just quote a post where you give some kind of thought out, established reasoning to your vote.

I have very little time explaining all over again how guilty you actually are. But surely, if you are this close to getting hammered, it sure is because I'm underinformed and don't know what I'm talking about, right? Plus, the only time you actually "helped" the cause is right now, at the edge of your own death, scum move again...


Anyway, let's focus on our third scum. All the people that didn't vote Moody have the highest probability of being scum. Giving the reaction of Jay and Duskfall to Toni's case, it's obvious that they are from the same faction, and notice how quick they were to blame Toni for being afk. Which might also prove Toni's innocence because he seems to be the odd one out among them.


So guys, if Duskfall flips scum, this means that all the people he tried to blame it on are all innocent. If Duskfall flips scum, the best case scenario would be to lynch Jay. But I'm always staying open to some other plan, if there's actually one.


I also suggest that those who still haven't lynched Duskfall after all the evidence that came about his guiltiness have their probability of being scum boosted, but not as much as those who didn't vote Moody the day before.



Happy birthday Apricity! :D

 

[Jay (FT) Flush]

i also really don't want to just lurker lynch today.

toni is practically frozen
vote toni

 

[Jay (FT) Flush]

VCA says wawmen clear

 

[vooper]

bleh i didnt get alerts for thread, glad i checked it. believe me if you want on this idc writing big post up now

 

[vooper]

Anyways I will ask you viper what are your detailed reads on wawman and Toni?

wawman - i think this is town will pull up posts by him now that i town read

So Duskfall, still want to go after the person who hammered the first scum to die in the game?

Well, that person is coming after you : Vote Duskfall

The three person who didn't vote Moody on d3 are the following : Duskfall, Jay and Toni. We are assured that two of those three are scum. Since no one looks interested to dig into Former Hope's case, I may have to do it myself. Then we will be able to have a better aim at next scum(s). But for now, Duskfall remains the safest lynch.

I've been telling people about him since d1, I cannot believe no one listened until now.


Btw Duskfall, if you're mafia, you're terrible at it. I've heard of a website called Showdown that could get you improved rapidly with the game, maybe going here would step you up in games like this (friendly advice)

Just in case you missed it and it can change your mind into the right choice ;;;

i dont think scum!wawmen makes these posts and has this aggressive of a tone in a push. he has been making good posts as well. he has looked for stuff on previous mafia kills without being asked and i like that (yea i know im one to talk)

toni - scum leaning on this cause it is super hard to tell with the amount of posts he has posted

what why

this post is bullshit and scummy for sure and rag was very weird when he was here but there isnt enough for me to say scum reading. i want to think that town would post more than this but some people just dont/cant in some situations maybe im being too accommodating here.

Skimmed through the thread last night and I just can't see how caffeineboost would be town.
Also I've played about 10 games with flush and it seems that he's town so far

also this post does not look good for him nor do i like it

if i remember correctly somewhat recently i had said toni was null but that was mainly due to the fact that when i came back from vacation i knew he hadnt posted much but i didnt remember any of his posts being rlly scummy. now that i have gone back i am deffo scum leaning on him (if i didnt say anywhere i had him as null oops, just know that i did have him more on the null side for a while than the scum side)

more stuff coming soon

 

[apricity]

VCA says wawmen clear

Wawmen is clear but what does VCA have to do with it

 

[vooper]

VCA says wawmen clear

what is vca

 

[apricity]

Viper what the fuck is your read on me

 

[vooper]

Viper what the fuck is your read on me

writing that up now howd you know

 

[apricity]

Because you have copied EVERY SINGLE ONE of my reads this game, on dusk (first scum then town) on changed on god knows however many slots and somehow I’m in scum and that makes zero sense to me

 

[apricity]

On moody also

 

[apricity]

toni is practically frozen
vote toni

i have a scumread on viper and a vote on Toni would be basically policy. It wouldn’t even be a POE because a POE vote hits viper before Toni tbh

 

[vooper]

ok im playing my lc open game soon so ill probs go more in depth into this after that
what im gonna argue in this post is that there is a good chance the scum team is dusk + apricity
apricity is/was trying to bus dusk like he did to former hope last game.

part 1) apricity early on pushes dusk very hard

his push in the first place was weird imo calling him out on things that i didnt think said that he was scum, just pointing out small stuff and trying to push him really hard. this is almost exactly what he did to former hope last game when they were the scum team and he was trying to bus fh.

part 2) apricity stays agressive on dusk and yells at people who dont agree with him

this is p self explanatory. he made it seem like his reads on dusk were the only right ones and if people disagreed he aggressively pushed his points on them further

part 3) it is now later into the game and the bus on dusk hasnt happened yet so apricity takes dusk asking if he can kill himself publicly on a reason to 180 on all of his previous reads

this happened last game with former hope as well. former hope faked thinking he was hammered and said he was town which even though apricity was scum reading him all game he 180ed there just because of that post. i cant see a reason why dusk would outright say that in the thread and not just ask the host behind the scenes if not to only pick up fake town cred

part 4) apricity pushes on someone else that dusk talked about and dusk follows saying that after only 1 vote he thinks that this vote will now happen

they pushed on me now cause im 100% in one of the most vulnerable slots as yea i havent really done much but aside from that they dont have much

Because you have copied EVERY SINGLE ONE of my reads this game, on dusk (first scum then town) on changed on god knows however many slots and somehow I’m in scum and that makes zero sense to me

i have copied your reads on dusk early on (because i think either he is scum or you are bussing him either way he is scum) and i have never said he was town. i have copied your reads on moody cause those just made sense and that was scum nothing else.

hopefully this makes sense made this fast cause i have to play lc open now

 

[apricity]

oh i'm high i thought you said that dusk is town in 687

 

[apricity]

yeah i fucking hate 695, paranoia is townie but this is actually so much reaching to fit the facts to a desired conclusion

 

[apricity]

not to mention that 1) is blatantly untrue because you read my dusk case and agreed with it, so from your POV i wasn't cherry picking little errors lmao

 

[apricity]

i think scum you is bussing dusk or you are town and dusk is scum therefore your reasoning makes sense either way (even tho iirc it has a few flaws that i can point out later if you want me to go back and read it)

 

[Duskfall98]

ok im playing my lc open game soon so ill probs go more in depth into this after that
what im gonna argue in this post is that there is a good chance the scum team is dusk + apricity
apricity is/was trying to bus dusk like he did to former hope last game.

part 1) apricity early on pushes dusk very hard

his push in the first place was weird imo calling him out on things that i didnt think said that he was scum, just pointing out small stuff and trying to push him really hard. this is almost exactly what he did to former hope last game when they were the scum team and he was trying to bus fh.

part 2) apricity stays agressive on dusk and yells at people who dont agree with him

this is p self explanatory. he made it seem like his reads on dusk were the only right ones and if people disagreed he aggressively pushed his points on them further

part 3) it is now later into the game and the bus on dusk hasnt happened yet so apricity takes dusk asking if he can kill himself publicly on a reason to 180 on all of his previous reads

this happened last game with former hope as well. former hope faked thinking he was hammered and said he was town which even though apricity was scum reading him all game he 180ed there just because of that post. i cant see a reason why dusk would outright say that in the thread and not just ask the host behind the scenes if not to only pick up fake town cred

part 4) apricity pushes on someone else that dusk talked about and dusk follows saying that after only 1 vote he thinks that this vote will now happen

they pushed on me now cause im 100% in one of the most vulnerable slots as yea i havent really done much but aside from that they dont have much



i have copied your reads on dusk early on (because i think either he is scum or you are bussing him either way he is scum) and i have never said he was town. i have copied your reads on moody cause those just made sense and that was scum nothing else.

hopefully this makes sense made this fast cause i have to play lc open now

I think you would have to be insane to think me and apricity could be a scum team. We have been pushing way too hard. Like a bit of a push I understand but we have came way too close to actually getting each other booted to be on the same scum team.

I think it's convenient you first bring this up when we are the only two to have voted you.

Me asking to kill myself would possibly be the WOAT play as scum cause asek could've easily just said yes lol, and then I lose.

 

[vooper]

not to mention that 1) is blatantly untrue because you read my dusk case and agreed with it, so from your POV i wasn't cherry picking little errors lmao

in my mind either you are bussing dusk which means yea id agree with your reasoning that dusk is scum and like i said while there is flaws in your reasoning (i was refering to the cherry picking) i dont think that if you are town you push him this hard and he is not scum but i also dont really think your town so the compromise for both scenarios is getting dusk

yeah i fucking hate 695, paranoia is townie but this is actually so much reaching to fit the facts to a desired conclusion

ok

I think you would have to be insane to think me and apricity could be a scum team. We have been pushing way too hard. Like a bit of a push I understand but we have came way too close to actually getting each other booted to be on the same scum team.

I think it's convenient you first bring this up when we are the only two to have voted you.

Me asking to kill myself would possibly be the WOAT play as scum cause asek could've easily just said yes lol, and then I lose.

1) i have not seen you make any good read on apricity and you also did a 180 on him saying he was town this is not pushing him too hard. apricity meanwhile is pushing you very hard which to me looks like bussing. It would be stupid for him to bus you in the thread and you say nothing about it. You would have had to had an arguement in the thread or it would be too obv of bussing?
2) i mentioned this way before you two voted me so stop lying
3) you could have asked asek first then asked it in the thread to like i said get fake town cred. you never make that post in the thread as town you ask it to asek kinda like how apricity and fh asked the host if it was hammer before fh posted about being hammered and that he was town when they were the scum team

apricity is known to do this when he is scum it is not hard to get to this conclusion

once again hope this makes sense

 

[Whydon]

Duskfall asking to be killed means nothing, if anything it just makes you come off as scum trying to protect other scum by forcing us to turbo lynch today

Jay pushing so aggressively on Toni makes me extremely uncomfortable but at the same time Toni isn’t looking too great right now.

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