Changes in bold. HP Flying only hits Hariyama specifically SE, and that is only a concern if you know that it is running Thick Fat. HP Fighitng allows you to hit the three pkmn that specifically resist your STABs, as well as normal types. I only did the first set because the HP Flying caught my eye and I do not have much time right now, but I may look over the others later.
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Changes in bold. HP Flying only hits Hariyama specifically SE, and that is only a concern if you know that it is running Thick Fat. HP Fighitng allows you to hit the three pkmn that specifically resist your STABs, as well as normal types. I only did the first set because the HP Flying caught my eye and I do not have much time right now, but I may look over the others later.
we already went over this before but
hp flying is probably the best option because it hits hariyama, poliwrath, and blaziken super effective and has the best neutral coverage on anything that resists fire + dark
hp fighting's use is very limited as fire blast will pretty much always outdamage it unless fighting pure rock-types (who dark pulse should ko as well) and steel/fighting types but np fire blast will usually ohko all of those easily.
hp flying is probably the best option because it hits hariyama, poliwrath, and blaziken super effective and has the best neutral coverage on anything that resists fire + dark
hp fighting's use is very limited as fire blast will pretty much always outdamage it unless fighting pure rock-types (who dark pulse should ko as well) and steel/fighting types but np fire blast will usually ohko all of those easily.
Like KD said, Hidden Power Fighting isn't a good idea for Houndoom in UU. Hidden Power Flying hits 4 of the 7 Pokemon that resist Houndoom's STAB, while Hidden Power Fighting only hits 3. Hidden Power Fighting is pretty much only good for OU.
Expert Belt is a terrible option on Houndoom. It doesn't hit many types for super effective damage, and Expert Belt will reduce the amount of damage Houndoom needs to score OHKO/2HKOs.
Expert Belt is a terrible option on Houndoom. It doesn't hit many types for super effective damage, and Expert Belt will reduce the amount of damage Houndoom needs to score OHKO/2HKOs.
Good Job. Comments in parentheses.
Mostly just nitpicks, nice work.
Sorry, that was my mistake. I just noticed it.
I don't know if Houndoom is capable of setting up both Sunny Day and Nasty Plot at the same time due to it's lack of defenses, unless your opponent is playing horribly and lets you set up. Also, other Pokemon can benefit more from Sunny Day than Houndoom. None of Houndoom's stats increase, only it's Fire power and one-turn Solarbeam. Many can revenge kill Houndoom easily because of its mediocre speed, and since it doesn't have Chlorophyll, it will be left vulnerable to faster enemies and won't use Sunny Day to full effect.
Also, the standard Nasty Plot set is basically like this. One Nasty Plot Fire Blast with Life Orb is just like a Sunny Day boosted Fire Blast, if not stronger. Houndoom can't score Nasty Plot and Sunny Day at the same time like I said before, so Nasty Plot is pretty much the better way to go as it increases all of it's attacks instead of just Fire Blast.
I'll start testing it tonight and see how it goes. If it turns out useful, I take this back and I'm truly sorry.
You should mention Sucker Punch in the "Lead" set's comments as an other option (like you do with Protect), as mentioned in this thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showthread.php?t=54386
It helps beat other focus sash leads, and it also lets Houndoom come in later on to revenge kill if need be, as outlined in that thread.
It helps beat other focus sash leads, and it also lets Houndoom come in later on to revenge kill if need be, as outlined in that thread.
- Sucker Punch needs to go on the Lead set
- You need to remove mentions of Shaymin (and Crobat if there are any)
- HP Flying? What?
- You should also mention HP Rock to beat other Fire-types
- The counters section needs to be revamped. You need to mention Milotic more in that section, considering that it owns every Houndoom set
- Other Options needs a makeover too: Reversal/Endure, Fire Fang, Psych Up, Beat Up, Embargo, Charm, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Overheat, Roar, Sunny Day + Solarbeam ...Houndoom gets so many awesome moves but you explain NONE of them.
This is almost ready to go on site, it just needs to be more complete.
- You need to remove mentions of Shaymin (and Crobat if there are any)
- HP Flying? What?
- You should also mention HP Rock to beat other Fire-types
- The counters section needs to be revamped. You need to mention Milotic more in that section, considering that it owns every Houndoom set
- Other Options needs a makeover too: Reversal/Endure, Fire Fang, Psych Up, Beat Up, Embargo, Charm, Heat Wave, Iron Tail, Overheat, Roar, Sunny Day + Solarbeam ...Houndoom gets so many awesome moves but you explain NONE of them.
This is almost ready to go on site, it just needs to be more complete.
Quick few things:
Will HP Flying OHKO a Hariyama on the nasty plot/spec sets? Kinda important to know.
Dangling modifier. I'd assume that you mean houndoom's fire blast is quite powerful, but currently it means max SpD Chansey is quite powerful. I'd recommend just removing the 'which is quite powerful.'
Than is used for comparisons.
Will HP Flying OHKO a Hariyama on the nasty plot/spec sets? Kinda important to know.
With Lum Berry, Houndoom will beat ANY lead Roserade provided it doesnt get haxed. With HP Rock, you can check Yanmega, as well as easily take out any non-Scarf Moltres Lead very easily, and Moltres is a beast of a pokemon. Flash Fire is better when using the Lum Berry, Sucker Punch means your not dead to a Dugtrio w/o Sash as it deals 70% or more to Duggy, while also being able to finish off a Yanmega after you break its Sash (since you will then be slower then it)
The Top 10 UU Leads for July:
Uxie - Both sets will beat it, but not taunting it helps you actually KO it while taunting it makes it U-Turn out and take half your health out while letting it set up SR will usually make it die solely to set up SR
Ambipom - Both sets fall to this, Pom easily breaks sash with Fake Out, and KOs with Return
Roserade - Scarf Leads that Sleep Powder you beat your set, this set will always take out an enemy Roserade (if it doesnt switch) and make it much easier for your bulky water to function.
Yanmega - Your set loses to it badly since it normally carries Sash, my set has a decent chance of beating it surviving a non specs hit to break sash with a 100% accurate HP (instead of shaky acc. FB) and SP it for the KO
Moltres - You lose to it badly unless you predict a scarfed U-Turn and counter the incoming pokemon for good damage, otherwise you cant do anything to it, while mine will almost always OHKO it with HP Rock
Electrode - RD ones beat both of our sets since you cant stop it setting up, but non RD ones gets beaten by FB + SP, which you dont recommend on your set, and mine does.
Arcanine - You can counter his Espeed, while i have to switch out mine, so you do beat these leads while mine doesnt
Lopunny - You can taunt them to stop them Passing, while mine can only hit them decently hard, so is another lead you can beat
Mespirit - Lum Stops TWave and Pulse 2HKOs it from my set, while yours can taunt only making it hit you with a TBolt, and taking a heavy amount of damage in the process
Typhlosion - Often Carries Focus Blast, which makes your set completely ineffective, the same as mine
At the expence of losing to Arcanine and Lopunny, you get the ability to completely beat any Roserade lead, do better against Uxie and Mespirit leads, and can take down non-Scarf Moltres leads in one hit. My set may let up SR or a layer of Spikes easier, but if you want to stop those so badly, get an Electrode lead.
I fully explain my lead Doom set here: http://www.smogon.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2111431&postcount=1, as you have seen it, and i feel like it does much better against the common UU leads then yours does. Reson it was locked was because of this thread and the fact i have fricken terrible grammer and didnt see the grammer sticky.
Houndoom can already beat Roserade regardless of a Lum Berry. Roserade can just put Houndoom back to sleep once Houndoom uses up it's berry. Also, Early Bird helps it out a lot, there's really no point in using Flash Fire unless you want to use Houndoom as a late-game sweeper as well as a lead. Fire Blast/Flamethrower already beats Yanmega, no need for HP Rock. You're basically only gonna use it on Moltres only. Smart Dugtrio players beat Houndoom one on one because turn 1, Dugtrio uses Earthquake as Houndoom uses Sucker Punch. Turn 2, Dugtrio uses Sucker Punch and Houndoom's Sucker Punch fails, there goes Houndoom.
I've had two occasions where my Chansey was knocked out by a surprise Beat Up, so I would advocate it as a greater mention than it already is.
Scarf Roserade tries to put Houndoom to sleep: Lum saves you, Roserade is OHKOed
Sash Roserade tries to put Houndoom to sleep: you activate Sash cause you outspeed, Lum saves you, you KO it
Not running Lum lets Scarf accomplish their goal of putting something to sleep, while Sash then gets up at least one free layer of spikes as you switch. If you taunt a lead Roserade also, you let it have a chance to cripple you, or if its Sash and attacks right off the bat, gets to kill you and survive as death fodder.
HP Rock gives you a 100% accuracy move for mega, since FB is recommended since Flamethrower might not OHKO a 4 HP Roserade all the time, and Moltres is really a Beast of a pokemon, and being able to OHKO it off the bat is just HUGE, and alot of Moltres Leads are LO, letting you easily outspeed it.
And your Duggy example, is exactly what i meant, your SP-less Houndoom makes you lose to Duggy completely, while mine should always carry SP and therefore smash duggy very hard before being destroyed by EQ. I dont think i worded it correctly though in saying "your not dead to Dugtrio" in that you actually are, but you get to cripple it before you go down.
Well I'm glad my suggestions have brought this thread back to life :)
That's my point...Houndoom has a ton of moves that are very appealing. If they don't find their way onto sets, they deserve to be mentioned in Other Options. Even if they suck on Houndoom, you should at least mention WHY
That's my point...Houndoom has a ton of moves that are very appealing. If they don't find their way onto sets, they deserve to be mentioned in Other Options. Even if they suck on Houndoom, you should at least mention WHY
There should be some mention of Dugtrio, who can switch in on a Nasty Plot and KO Houndoom with Earthquake. Even if it does switch in on an attack, it does have a chance of survival depending on what attack and what item. Life Orb Flamethrower will always OHKO, for example, while Leftovers Dark Pulse will never OHKO.
