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How do you kill this? Rhyperior Discussion.

SandHippo may be a good counter for Rhyperior, although Snow Slide/Ice Fang is scary. Donphan looks good as well.

Even more reason to use Snow Slide on the monster, but it does lower its support options if it uses Bug/Rock/Ground/Ice moveset.
 
Certainly a scary pokemon, however I think he is a bit overhyped at the moment. I mean, i'm not the best with pokenumbers, but even I can add slow + low spdef + two 4X weaks to oft-special types together.

There are two speedy, levitating ghosts with high SPA + energy ball, many bulky water types that can survive an EQ then kill with surf, and an AG salamence that comes in on EQ and kills with Hydro Pump - if it hits. Not to mention Grass Rope being on many pokemon like Infernape and Azelf.

Which brings me to one more point: megahorn has a tendency to miss, and missing has a tendency to lose games in itself. And stone edge's accuracy is even lower. It's hard to rely on those two moves; saying 'well your counter just got nailed by stone edge or megahorn' isn't entirely accurate, is it?

I'm sorry that i sometimes seem negative about overhyped pokemon (actually, there is only one hyped pokemon that I don't consider a threat at all, and that's rampardos). Rhyperior is definitely a top-tier poke who will be on many of my teams, and I shudder to think about his late game potential. But it isn't like he's omfg broken or anything. He has his counters like everything else.
 
x2.66 (underline means infinate 6's so you could replace em with a 7)

And the fact that "Miss-a-horn" and Stoned-Edge might miss, dosnt even threat the fact that, CBperior DOEST NOT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF SETUP and can swich out and swich in when its good and ready, with no need to waste a turn not attacking.
 
ANinyMouse said:
From Gen I, I had three favorites: Arcanine, Porygon and Rhydon. Gen IV is a happy time for me.

To be honest, I have a hard time fitting Rhyperior on teams I plan out due to all his weaknesses (because of the common "antisweeper" Pokemon). Yes, he's a beast, but an EQ weak is an EQ weak when you're dealing with CBTar.

He's just too sexy not to use, though, and in that sense he has much the same appeal as Porygon-Z and Togekiss.
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A small note: CBTar does have a powerful EQ, but do remember it is unSTABBed, making it a Hard-Rock adjusted 133 power, only a little better than Crunch's 120. Its the same reason Rhyperior could take an UnSTABBed Ice Beam if neccesary: the power reductuion takes a lot of bite out of unSTABBed attacks.
 
Heh, that's kinda funny actually. You're pumping speed over defenses because it's safer. I can't say that it's not a good idea, but there's an irony there. I don't see how Skarmory stands to counter Rhyperior, but outspeeding Weezing and Slowbro is certainly valuable. I did some math and got 172 EVs as a good number for fast Rhyperior to use since it's a sure thing against non-Timid Slowbro, and it still outspeeds min speed Weezing by 3 points.

However, about defensive Rhyperior, he seems like something that I thought might not exist. He seems like a Tyranitar counter. With 252 defense and not that much HP(or just a +defense nature), Tyranitar's only means of getting a 2HKO is Focus Punch, and that's CB Focus Punch. DDtar and boah and pretty much everything you can come up wtih except CGtar(with HP grass/water) is just steamrolled by Rhyperior. I was thinking of Quakeedge+Resttalk, and no there's not any real risk of getting Sleep Talk Taunted as one DD on ttar isn't a big concern. You should OHKO all CBtar, and if you have max attack adamant, you'll OHKO max HP min def ttar pretty often(with EQ of course). A lot of this depends on how the DP metagame turns out. That defensive Rhyperoir does run into serious trouble with both Garchomp and Gyarados, and CBgross's Meteor Mash wouldn't be a wonderful time. It would also lose to CB Rhyperior unless it was stuck on something not Earthquake. That might be too much of a liability for anything that wants to try to focus on physical defense, but perhaps being able to switch in on Tyranitar is quite appealing. Being slower than ttar could be a liability, but you have the boon of scaring ttar with a potential OHKO so that might not be so bad.

Yeah, I definately agree with the overall sentiment of the topic with the whole "wow, Rhyperior is really amazing". This thing could very well end up being as much of a staple of the DP metagame as the feared Garchomp; it hits harder and takes hits better at least.
 
Pyr0 said:
x2.66 (underline means infinate 6's so you could replace em with a 7)

And the fact that "Miss-a-horn" and Stoned-Edge might miss, dosnt even threat the fact that, CBperior DOEST NOT REQUIRE ANY KIND OF SETUP and can swich out and swich in when its good and ready, with no need to waste a turn not attacking.
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please dont say this pokemon is bad because it has attacks that miss. thats just fucking stupid.
 
This thing isn't going to sweep unless it finds a way around the horrible Speed. As long as you keep that and this immense attacking potential in mind, you find yourself overlooking or overhyping Rhyperior.

Also I don't see anyone saying this thing is bad because it can miss. It just isn't as reliable. If you battle five times and use Stone Edge once in each battle, one of them is going to miss.
 
Mekkah said:
This thing isn't going to sweep unless it finds a way around the horrible Speed. As long as you keep that and this immense attacking potential in mind, you find yourself overlooking or overhyping Rhyperior.

Also I don't see anyone saying this thing is bad because it can miss. It just isn't as reliable. If you battle five times and use Stone Edge once in each battle, one of them is going to miss.
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And one of the Stone Edges is going to critical, too. I think it evens out.
 
Yeah, the chance of 4 Stone Edges not getting any criticals is about 41%, so I suppose it would critical at least once. Still not the most reliable thing ever though.
 
I still like the 252 HP/252 DEF CBer. Nature doesn't matter, but even with Impish, 430~ effective attack is scary. Factor in the fact that you are incredibly hard to kill and you got a star pokemon. Only CB Metagross (meh with Magnezone's existance) and other CB Rhyperior have a shot at 2HKOing this best on the physical side. I would probably only give it 401 HP and pump the rest into SDef, making unSTAB Grass moves deal alot less. This would require an Impish nature to take the same hits though.
 
383 waterfall vs 296def -> 296-352 dmg
383 waterfall vs 359def -> 248-292 dmg
383 waterfall vs 394def -> 224-268 dmg
574 waterfall vs 296def -> 448-528 dmg
574 waterfall vs 359def -> 368-436 dmg
574 waterfall vs 394def -> 336-396 dmg
-> holy shit the impish max defense one can come in on a 1DD gyarados, survive the waterfall and 1hko with stone edge, nice

EDIT: quake and ice fang

383 earthquake vs 296def -> 123-165 dmg
383 earthquake vs 359def -> 102-121 dmg
383 earthquake vs 394def -> 93-110 dmg
574 earthquake vs 296def -> 184-218 dmg
574 earthquake vs 359def -> 152-180 dmg
574 earthquake vs 394def -> 139-164 dmg
-> rhyperior lolz at earthquake

383 ice fang vs 296def -> 81-95 dmg
383 ice fang vs 359def -> 67-79 dmg
383 ice fang vs 394def -> 61-73 dmg
574 ice fang vs 296def -> 119 -142 dmg
574 ice fang vs 359def -> 99-118 dmg
574 ice fang vs 394def -> 90-107 dmg
-> and even more at ice fang
 
Failed because of Hard Rock+130 base DEF. Gyarados only has 125 base Atk and is always 2HKO'd by Rhyperior after Intimidate. Without a DD, Gyarados isn't touching Rhyperior.
 
seeing has you hurled waterfall at it why not leafeon's leaf blade before and after swords dance with max attack sure leafeon has lower attack but surely leaf blade's 90 BP and leafeon's stab sould make up for it
 
350 leaf blade vs 296def -> 308-364 dmg
350 leaf blade vs 359def -> 252-300 dmg
350 leaf blade vs 394def -> 232-276 dmg
700 leaf blade vs 296def -> 612-720 dmg
700 leaf blade vs 359def -> 504-596 dmg
700 leaf blade vs 394def -> 460-544 dmg
 
Defender HP: 434
Damage: 220 - 259 , %50 - %59

Max Atk Vineon to Impish max Rhydon2++

So with a SD, it's a guaranteed OHKO

EDIT: PETERKO STOP BEATING ME FOR DMG CALS!
 
EDIT: Beat to it. ._.

Go Leafeon. If you can manage to get a SD in before Rhy shows up, you can OHKO it or scare it away. Or just do ~55% on the switch without SD.
 
mm well it always threatens a 2hko with max attack with nature..but what about a neutral attack nature

P.S should LB critcal it should die
 
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Defender HP: 434
Damage: 202 - 237 , 46% - 54%

2HKO's if you're really lucky.

EDIT: The Rhyperior is an Impish max one.
 
Toy said:
please dont say this pokemon is bad because it has attacks that miss. thats just fucking stupid.
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The stupid I belive is you, I was defending the fact that the so called "Missahorn" is still very valuable even considering that it might miss.
More so, since CBRhy does not require a single turn of set up and can swich out very happily if needed. unlike some things like Gaburaisu who need Sword Dance to sweep teams, and if swiched out, they lose a turn due to the +2 reset.

So please, if your not sure of what a post is saying, read it a couple of times, it might just make sence.
 
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