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How do You Stop Deoxys?

Olie

Okay, I am tired of having to provide a way to deal with Deoxys on all my teams. Metagross does a good Job, and so does Spiritomb, but if those are gone, you don't have many options.

Since most players like to hold on to it until the end, most of your possible revenge killers are likely gone, and you end up the target of a Deoxys Rape.

So, my question is how, and if you have a way that you can easily stop Deoxys. Granted you have many options to consider, but it comes up often, so, I personally, want to deal with it quickly and efficiently.
Any unique options would be quite welcome too.
 
Well since it seems that you're talking exclusively about the sweeper set, it isn't that difficult to stop. Besides the Metagross and Spiritomb which you mentioned, Bronzong, Jirachi, and Cresselia can consistently switch in and stop it, and Scizor and Forretress also do a pretty good job. In addition, quite a few other pokes are not OHKO'd, and can deal significant damage back. These include: Swampert, Milotic, Suicune, Vaporeon, Heatran, Hippowdon, and several others. Anything with Shadow Sneak or Extremespeed is also a pain, including Lucario, Gallade, and Dusknoir.

The recent problem with Deoxys-E comes with the new Dual Screen sets. In many cases, even if you know that your opponent is running Taunt/Screens it can be very difficult to stop, since almost nothing will OHKO through Reflect/Light Screen, and Deoxys-E obviously has the fastest taunt in the game.

Further trouble arises with the fact that the common switch-ins for each set are terrible switch-ins for the other, so there really isn't a universal Deoxys-E switch in. At any rate, my weapon of choice here would me a Lum Berry Metagross with Pursuit and Bullet Punch; that way it makes a great Gengar counter as well.
 
I use Curse Rest Talking Swampert. It has great survivability, and frustrates Deoxys-e and Gengar to no end. Life Orb Psychic, Deoxys's best shot with maximum attack neutral nature, will not tend to 3HKO Swampert with Max/Near Max defense.

Lately, I have been more concerned with Double Screen leading Deoxys. Aside from leading with Tyranitar, it usually gets to set up fairly easily.
 
TAY said:
Well since it seems that you're talking exclusively about the sweeper set, it isn't that difficult to stop.
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Sorry If I sounded vague,
I was implying about Deoxys in General.
Especially with the dual wall sets going around.
 
Olie said:
Sorry If I sounded vague,
I was implying about Deoxys in General.
Especially with the dual wall sets going around.
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you have to realize that those are two completely different sets with completely different counters. the only counter for the DS set i can honestly think of is scarfgar/scarfazelf.
 
True.

However, variations of different Pokemon can be used too.
For example, MixPert can Easily deal with the Sweep set,
whereas a SleepTalk CursePert can deal with the Dual Screen set to a certain extent.

And Lead Spiritomb Set can actually deal with both. Taunt shuts down the DS version, and Sucker Punch for the Sweep set and DS set. Pain Split and Pursuit/Wisp can aid both situations. By stopping a switch out, healing it or adding residual damage if Reflect is already up, and Sucker Punch/Pursuit is not doing enough damage.
 
I run a RestTalk Bronzong and it shuts down most varients pretty easily. Gyro Ball is 2HKO at worst and they can stall all they want with cosmic power, I have a reliable recovery move and theyv can barely dent me.
 
Olie said:
True.

However, variations of different Pokemon can be used too.
For example, MixPert can Easily deal with the Sweep set,
whereas a SleepTalk CursePert can deal with the Dual Screen set to a certain extent.

And Lead Spiritomb Set can actually deal with both. Taunt shuts down the DS version, and Sucker Punch for the Sweep set and DS set. Pain Split and Pursuit/Wisp can aid both situations. By stopping a switch out, healing it or adding residual damage if Reflect is already up, and Sucker Punch/Pursuit is not doing enough damage.
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i'll have to disagree, particular to the example you gave. a mixpert will still hurt eating a psychic. it has no mode of recovery or pursuit so d-e can just run away without really being threatened. cursepert eats taunt big time.
 
Olie said:
Lead Spiritomb Set can actually deal with both. Taunt shuts down the DS version, and Sucker Punch for the Sweep set and DS set. Pain Split and Pursuit/Wisp can aid both situations. By stopping a switch out, healing it or adding residual damage if Reflect is already up, and Sucker Punch/Pursuit is not doing enough damage.
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But the screen set will Taunt you before you can Taunt it, set up Reflect before you Pursuit (or sucker punch attempt) then SR and switch.
 
Hum... Hitmontop can stop the DS sets, maybe.
Fake Out first turn, and then start Brick Breaking his screens and Spinning his rocks. But you can't do shit if it has Psychic.
 
TAY has covered the majority of what counters Deoxys-S already. I excessively use Metagross a lot which explains why he is on most of my teams, so Metagross is my personal preference. The fact that he can switch into Deoxys-S on sight and begin to force the opponent to give up their quality sweeping material with Pursuit and Bullet Punch combined is superb.

I don't want to continue to switch in my Bronzong or Forretress to resist Deoxys-S' attacks; I want to be able to get rid of Deoxys-S as soon as possible. I cannot afford to take any chances, and with Metagross successfully trapping Deoxys-S, I have been ensured that Deoxys-S won't be a problem later in the game.
 
In my opinion the best way to deal With Deoxys-E in general is by using Stall teams. I never had problems with my opponent having both Screens up because i never really attack at the beginning of the game rather phazing and scouting out what strategy he is using

As for the Sweeper set anything with Decent defences on both sides takes it pretty well. As powerfull Sweeper-E might be he still lacks a Good STAB and offensive stats too hit hard.

The only reason why Deoxys-E rised so insane last month is because of the rise of offensive teams because only against offiensive teams that thing does well

I think at the end of this month the metagame will go back to stall again as an answer to this insane rise of Deoxys-E and probably his usage will go down as well
 
Since Deoxys-e can learn Grass Knot .Although he rarely carry it but it's a big problem for our pets if he do .
As you guys said, Metagross is the best pokemon against the sweeper set. And for the DS set , bring one pokemon who can brick break those walls . Either Swampert , Tyranitar , Weavile or Metagross can take the job .
Seem easy lolz .

Mien: Taunt may force you to attack at the begining of the game .
 
Deoxys can ba major problem for my pseudo-offensive team, so I have multiple ways of dealing with it. My first option is, of course, Metagross with Life Orbed Pursuit and Bullet Punch.
If that fails then its up to my CounterBliss.
 
One thing I've found is that a lot of the time people bring in the same kinds of Pokemon (into Deoxys) that can be easily trapped by Magnezone and that tends to open up a big Dragon weak in most teams. I prefer (or really, hate, to be more exact) Pokemon like Spiritomb to trap Deoxys with Pursuit.
 
Deoxys has surely caused a lot of changes in OU battles .
I refused to use him . But i need somethings to counter him since the kinds of him are everywhere .
I will try metagross and think about the cosmic set since blissey is not my favor .
 
Scarf Gengar stops Deoxys. So does Yache Berry Garchomp. Or Extremespeed Lucario. I don't really worry about Deoxys, just predict right with Blissey or wall it with Celebi/Jirachi
 
I use CM Jirachi, it has the same typing as Metagross, plus it boosts its SpDef to soak up hits from Thunderbolt, and Superpower loses power every turn. Plus 100 Base Def/ SpDef/ HP is always nice to have around
 
Deoxys never gave me problems.I always stop him with a random poke in my team(at least the sweeper version).I nvever fighted a dual screen one.
For the dual screen one,probably a good counter is any dark type that learns Brick Break(Weavile,for example)if it has Psychic as attack.If it has any attack,so a spinner with pursuit and brick break works well(Hitmontop)
Not to mention Ninjask,probably the best counter for any Deoxys(Protect,then Swords Dance,then finish him)
 
I usually put out my Suicune, Anti-Lead Weavile, or Gallade, depending on who is on my current team. Gallade can take a Shadow Ball, SD, then Shadow Sneak for some good damage. Suicune can CM once or twice, then hit it with STAB Surf. Thunderbolt does ~37% typically. Anti-Lead Weavile can hit it with Fake Out, then I can predict a Superpower and use Counter, or I can Night Slash. Deoxys-S is typically not a problem, it is usually the other team taking out its killers. Any base 105 speed poke with a +Speed nature can outspeed, so it isn't a big deal.
 
I want to point out that timid scarfed Gengar cannot OHKO the Dual Screen ™ max HP Deoxys with a little bit of special defense investment. Brick break anti-lead Weavile is a good counter, but other than Weavile I don't think brick break is a very common move on the current list of OU's, especially when there are other more powerful fighting attacks out there.

Another thing to note is that (correct me if I am wrong) ghost types can block the effect of brick break just like how they can block rapid spin. Things like dusknoir or spiritomb came to mind. With reflect up, even a gutsy Gengar can switch into a Weavile's brick break, survive a night slash/pursuit and threaten a KO with focus blast.
 
Heh, you guys know that Brick Break is standard on MixMence, right?

If you are concerned about Deoxys-S potentially running a surprise sweeper lead, you could easily have Focus Sash on Salamence, as a Draco Meteor on the sweeper is a OHKO.

Dual Screen Deoxys-S has been a significantly less issue since I moved my Life Orb MixMence up to the lead and changed its item to Focus Sash.
 
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