I liek shiny!

[ZARZEMA]

Here is my team, it is ok, currently 24-1. I really don't think it should be though. Just the luck of the draw with opponents. Maybe it is okay though.

Team at a glance​

Here we go!

mix&match (Gallade) (M) @ Lum Berry
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 HP/252 Atk/6 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Close Combat
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance
- Ice Punch/night slash/stone edge

An awesome anti-lead, after a swords dance it can ohko bronzong with close combat, and ohko gengar with shadow sneak. Lum berry cures status that leads often times have and allows a free swords dance. Ice punch is for dragons, and I am currently using it, but it seems pointless lately. I have found night slash to be effective so I can 2hko azelf and only have to take one attack. Stone edge is for gyarados who gives my team some troubles, it also hits crobat hard enough to 2hko it with a stone edge sneak combo.
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Swampert (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Torrent
EVs: 252 HP/200 Def/56 SAtk
Relaxed nature (+Def, -Spd)
- Stealth Rock
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Earthquake

Standard mixpert, sets up rocks, counters garchomp to an extent. Hydro pump so I can hit scarf and forre hard enough to 2hko.

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Starmie @ Life Orb
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 6 HP/252 Spd/252 SAtk
Timid nature (+Def, -SAtk)
- Hidden Power [Bug]
- Hydro Pump
- Ice Beam
- Thunderbolt

HP BUG? LOLWUT? Yeah, I use it for a celebi, and celebi is a commen switch in to take the water attack. It ohkos celebi with life orb. This pokemon is also my mamoswine counter. Boltbeam coverage is win!
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Salamence (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 212 HP/16 Atk/200 Def/80 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk, -SAtk)
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance
- Earthquake
- Roost

Bulkymence, after 2 dragon dances it is faster than weavile. Takes hits very well and roosts them off. Works well with heatran and celebi. Except for mamoswine everything os walled by the combo.
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Heatran (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 HP/132 SAtk/124 SDef
Modest nature (+SAtk, -Atk)
- Lava Plume
- Rest
- Dragon Pulse
- Sleep Talk

My status absorber and special wall, revenge kills garchomps that are trapped in outrage. Lava plume for burn hax.
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Celebi @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 240 HP/222 Def/32 Spd/16 SAtk
Bold nature (+Def, -Atk)
- Leech Seed
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Grass Knot
- Recover

Works very well with my team, counters swampert and dragons. I am thinking of switching hp ice out for hp ground. Not to sure though.
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Overall it works very well together, covers weaknesses like beasts. If you see anything please tell me. ^^

 

[Darkartisan]

I think that you should read the posting rules...

it says that you should have a detailed explanation why you chose each pokemon.

I'm not too sure how you went 24-1 but whatever

now for the rate:

I can immediatly see that Deoxys S runs all over you. Thunderbolt OHKO's Starmie, Shadow ball OHKO's Gallade, Ice Beam OHKO's Salamence and Celebi.

I suggest a Spiritomb with Sucker punch.

Here's the spread

Spiritomb @ lefties
252 hp/ 252 atk/6 spd
Adamant Nature
-Sucker Punch
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Confuse Ray

This will stop Deoxys S dead in his tracks. Just use Sucker Punch. Deoxys generally is a sweeper, not supporter.

 

[ZARZEMA]

Are you kidding me? Gallade and pert can kill standard deoxys. <_<

Ice beam does NOT ohko celebi.
Shadow ball does NOT ohko gallade.
Learn your facts before you rate.

 

[Darkartisan]

Oh no? Well I guess I forgot to specify. Choice specs 252 sp atk Deoxys will OHKO Most of your team. Why don't you learn to read the rules before posting? I don't understand why you post like a jerk when I try to help you? I do know what I am talking about. Even if you just get unlucky, you can still get crithaxxed on, or anything else. If one pokemon kills half your team, there is a problem.

 

[ZARZEMA]

Oh no? Well I guess I forgot to specify. Choice specs 252 sp atk Deoxys will OHKO Most of your team. Why don't you learn to read the rules before posting? I don't understand why you post like a jerk when I try to help you? I do know what I am talking about. Even if you just get unlucky, you can still get crithaxxed on, or anything else. If one pokemon kills half your team, there is a problem.

Dude I can predict, and you aren't helping me. You are just making something out of nothing. If it is choice specs heatran counters it. Also I haven't seen a specs deoxys-s once. And shadow ball still doesn't ohko gallade.

 

[Etceteraetcetera]

Speed form is FAR from a problem for this team. You're simply babbling nonsense, at this point, darkartisan. Maybe if you actually attempted to test out your idiotic theories you'd realize that Speed form is not getting through this team until both Swampert and Celebi are sitting at 50%, and Gallade has been killed.

Now, onto rating.. It looks fairly solid from the start, the only thing I don't like is the initial lack of speed. The only thing really stopping you from being beaten by a Yanmega is that your Heatran restalks, but if Yanmega is carrying HP Ground, it could be GG.

Salamence works to an extent, but it can be put to sleep, and I don't think you can OHKO before it 2HKOs you.

Anyway, it's still solid. and lolwut at using crits as an argument.

 

[Darkartisan]

well what do you want me to say? Your team is perfect?

lulz ^^

anyways, besides the Deoxys ordeal,

I suggest substitute instead of Roost. With SR on the field, he won't last too long anyways, and if you can get 2 DD's off like you planned, you can proceed to sweeping. Lefties is fine on it. Just look out for those darn Deoxys >.>

re: Etcet- I love how you have 5 posts. I don't have as many either, but I have been rating for quite a while now.

 

[ZARZEMA]

well what do you want me to say? Your team is perfect?

lulz ^^

anyways, besides the Deoxys ordeal,

I suggest substitute instead of Roost. With SR on the field, he won't last too long anyways, and if you can get 2 DD's off like you planned, you can proceed to sweeping. Lefties is fine on it. Just look out for those darn Deoxys >.>

re: Etcet- I love how you have 5 posts. I don't have as many either, but I have been rating for quite a while now.

I'll test it, thanks for posting.

 

[D3FAULT]

Oh no? Well I guess I forgot to specify. Choice specs 252 sp atk Deoxys will OHKO Most of your team. Why don't you learn to read the rules before posting? I don't understand why you post like a jerk when I try to help you? I do know what I am talking about. Even if you just get unlucky, you can still get crithaxxed on, or anything else. If one pokemon kills half your team, there is a problem.

Why is it every RMT I go to that you post in you're starting arguments? >_>

 

[Etceteraetcetera]

well what do you want me to say? Your team is perfect?

lulz ^^

anyways, besides the Deoxys ordeal,

I suggest substitute instead of Roost. With SR on the field, he won't last too long anyways, and if you can get 2 DD's off like you planned, you can proceed to sweeping. Lefties is fine on it. Just look out for those darn Deoxys >.>

re: Etcet- I love how you have 5 posts. I don't have as many either, but I have been rating for quite a while now.

Eh, I don't feel the need to prove myself to you, but at least I don't go around telling people that Pokemon that don't even get 2HKOd by stuff will get OHKOd, because I don't know what a damage calculator is.
Really though, I'm being harsh after how nice you decided to be when you saw the obvious truth. I apologize for that, but still, people who spew nonsense that is obviously untrue should not be going and rating teams immediately.

 

[remix01]

Etc. is one of the better battlers around, so what if he has only 5 posts he still knows what he is talking about, post count doesnt mean anything.

You might need a priority move, to atleast revenge kill a scarf user or a deoxys, because at times they won't be able to be countered late game.

Solid team, why impish on Starmie though

 

[Darkartisan]

I'm in that mood, sorry >_>

(bronzong leads are driving me nuts)

lol

 

[ZARZEMA]

Etc. is one of the better battlers around, so what if he has only 5 posts he still knows what he is talking about, post count doesnt mean anything.

You might need a priority move, to atleast revenge kill a scarf user or a deoxys, because at times they won't be able to be countered late game.

Solid team, why impish on Starmie though

That was a mistake, I meant timid.

 

[Bourbon]

I think that you should read the posting rules...

it says that you should have a detailed explanation why you chose each pokemon.

I'm not too sure how you went 24-1 but whatever

now for the rate:

I can immediatly see that Deoxys S runs all over you. Thunderbolt OHKO's Starmie, Shadow ball OHKO's Gallade, Ice Beam OHKO's Salamence and Celebi.

I suggest a Spiritomb with Sucker punch.

Here's the spread

Spiritomb @ lefties
252 atk/ 252 spd/6 hp
Adamant Nature
-Sucker Punch
-Shadow Ball
-Hypnosis
-Confuse Ray

This will stop Deoxys S dead in his tracks. Just use Sucker Punch. Deoxys generally is a sweeper, not supporter.

DON'T POST CRAP LIKE THIS.

You obviously know nothing about EV spreads. Spiritomb should never run Speed EVs unless it's to outrun Blissey for the taunt. Spiritomb should never leave the house without 252 HP. Also, why use Adamant if you are using Shadow Ball?

Swampert pretty much stops any Deoxys sweep. Gallade can finish it with Shadow Sneak at low health. If it has Grass Knot, it isn't going to have Shadow Ball likely, and if it has both of those, it probably won't have Superpower.


You also didn't run damage calculations if you think Choice Specs Ice Beam off of 317 special attack OHKOs Celebi.

Anyways...


Not much else to say except you may want to run Thunderwave on Celebi. Gallade could use the Paralysis support, and you don't really have any other status moves, so it shouldn't be too hard to spread. It will make greedy stat-up sweepers sorry for staying into you. Ground Types won't dare switch into you anyways because you have Grass Knot and Hidden Power Ice.

BTW, good call having Roost on Salamence, because it's your best answer to Heracross and SDluke. However, I would run 280 speed so you outrun Lucario, this way you won't get surprised by Stone Edge or HP Ice if it has it.

 

[Darkartisan]

jeez. This was my first time using damage calc. Does anyone know where to find a good one? I googled one and it didnt work.

I meant HP evs

 

[Stathakis]

well what do you want me to say? Your team is perfect?

lulz ^^

Maybe, rather than saying it's perfect, you could tell him what's actually wrong with it.

re: Etcet- I love how you have 5 posts. I don't have as many either, but I have been rating for quite a while now.

I'm sorry, but this made me lol. Postcount means nothing. If a player's good, a player's good. And if postcount did matter, who has less than 50 posts?

anyways, that aside, this team really does lack speed aside from starmie, and your standard fare ddnite, mence, et cetera can really cause probems, as can sdyache chomp, np azelf, dd ttar etc. if they get in a boost then you're practically done. I'd suggest switching heatran to scarf and then putting a resttalk snorlax or gyarados or somehting over gallade, while leading off with swampert. This can help you deal with threats after they set up, and make heatran a more threatening pokemon overall. it also gives you a way to deal with chomp after starmie breaks his yache. earth power can killl off a weakened tyranitar. you just need the extra speed imo, and in a metagame filled with deoxys's and timid scarfgars, maybe even scarftran is too slow.

 

[ZARZEMA]

Alright I am really looking forward to testing t-wave, because it offers some great support. Good idea.

280 speed isn't a bad idea, I haven't been challenged by this match up yet, but if it comes around I would love to be able to pull out in front.

 

[Bourbon]

252 atk / 252 spd / 6 hp

I don't really think you did mean 252 HP, because you put 6 HP on the end. You probably just copied and pasted... but I'll cut you some slack because you joined today : ) Welcome to smogon, sorry for barking at you.


@ Stathakis, you are right... anything that boosts it's speed will cause problems for him. I agree that Heatran can afford to pack a Choice Scarf, and he can forgoe a Restalker because Celebi and Heatran can take status, and Swampert and Heatran can take Twave and WoW, respectively.

@ ZARZEMA, yeah, I think Leech Seed is sort of useless without Substitute with it. While it can help Celebi outstall opponents when packed with Recover, Thunderwave can do all that an more; crippling slow sweepers, and helping it stall thanks to the occasional "Full Paralysis"

 

[ZARZEMA]

anyways, that aside, this team really does lack speed aside from starmie, and your standard fare ddnite, mence, et cetera can really cause probems, as can sdyache chomp, np azelf, dd ttar etc. if they get in a boost then you're practically done. I'd suggest switching heatran to scarf and then putting a resttalk snorlax or gyarados or somehting over gallade, while leading off with swampert. This can help you deal with threats after they set up, and make heatran a more threatening pokemon overall. it also gives you a way to deal with chomp after starmie breaks his yache. earth power can killl off a weakened tyranitar. you just need the extra speed imo, and in a metagame filled with deoxys's and timid scarfgars, maybe even scarftran is too slow.

I will try that, but i would lose my pwnage anti-lead. ;_; Thank you though.

 

[Darkartisan]

I apologize to everybody for being such a jerk. I do have one question though. What damage calculator do you guys use? I need one

 

[Scofield]

I just want to let you know that heatran will never ohko garchomp with dragon pulse, even with modest and 252 special attack evs and stealth rocks down. If you maxed special attack and added a life orb you have a slight chance at an ohko. Or you could just use hidden power ice, but then you need to worry about yache chomps.

And the damage calculator I use is http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/DamageDP.aspx

 

[ZARZEMA]

I just want to let you know that heatran will never ohko garchomp with dragon pulse, even with modest and 252 special attack evs and stealth rocks down. If you maxed special attack and added a life orb you have a slight chance at an ohko. Or you could just use hidden power ice, but then you need to worry about yache chomps.

And the damage calculator I use is http://www.metalkid.info/Pokemon/OnlineProgram/Calculators/DamageDP.aspx

I know, usually chomp is worn down when I revenge kill it. Also chomp can revenged killed by starmie too, and it will be unless it is scarfed.