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In-Game Tier List Discussion
- Thread starter Colonel M
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Comes much too late and evolves even later.
Catch very late in game, (around gym 8). Also, it doesn't evolve until lv. 52, around the elite 4 if you are lucky. Although it does have an advantage against three E4 members, it has to rely on Night slash/Iron head(Metal claw)/Brick break, which are weak. Also, has only base 70 speed, and not great special bulk.
EDIT: Double ninja'd
Night Slash is 70 w/ high crit ratio, and Brick Break has a respectable 75.
Metal Claw kind of sucks, I guess, though if you hold out on two more levels you get Iron Head which doesn't seem that bad at 80
I can see why it wouldn't be highly reccomended (late late game and all) but I wouldn't call those moves really weak.
There's a *shake shake* sound. Besides, the shaky grass looks like a badly placed layer and is really easy to spot. The music from the shaky patch battles is different from the regular battles, though.
I just accelgor'd Leroy
Bisharp is also found near the very end of the game, cannot beat the various Opelucid Gym Druddigons thanks to Revenge, and can't do a thing against Renbu/Marshal. Also weak to Reshiram. Oh-and Pawniard is probably going to ONLY evolve around the E4 in the first place.
While I admittedly want to have an "extended tier list" for post-E4 playthroughs (with the goal being "Beat Cynthia, Alder/Adeku, Morimoto, and capture the Musketeers other than Keldeo, the Djinn trio, Kyurem, and Volcarona") I'm content w/o one.
While I admittedly want to have an "extended tier list" for post-E4 playthroughs (with the goal being "Beat Cynthia, Alder/Adeku, Morimoto, and capture the Musketeers other than Keldeo, the Djinn trio, Kyurem, and Volcarona") I'm content w/o one.
Well at that point it's just transferring your DPPt Pokes into the game.
Doesn't the tier list assume no trading except for evolution? (and if Landorus would be included in an extended goal list, for getting Landorus.)
Hmm, wonder how Joltik will work if I get an egg traded in early game (I'm buying off Amazon because of the 5 buck credit appeals to my stingyness, but know someone who will get it in-store and will likely finish the story before it arrives). I may also get Timburr with Mach Punch for lulz.
Hmm, who to add to this team
Bachuru
Dokkura
Hitomoshi (late game addition, level 41 evolution and all)
Hmm, who to add.
Tympole adds a solid water type user, but its secondary coverage is redundent with Dokkura.
Darumakka is crazy, but feels too mundane (and useless till evolution) and redundent once I grab Hitomoshi.
Meguroko and Moguryuu are redundant coverage (while the 2nd would be cool combined with my XD team's TTar).
Hmm, who to add to this team
Hmm, who to add.
Tympole adds a solid water type user, but its secondary coverage is redundent with Dokkura.
Darumakka is crazy, but feels too mundane (and useless till evolution) and redundent once I grab Hitomoshi.
Meguroko and Moguryuu are redundant coverage (while the 2nd would be cool combined with my XD team's TTar).
Why not grab Oshawatt for a water type and use the fire monkey until Chandlure series, or grab Snivy and use Aquamonkey?
As for that 5th and 6th slot (if you don't use Snivy/Aquamonkey), I'd get Sigilyph and whoever looks cool.
As for that 5th and 6th slot (if you don't use Snivy/Aquamonkey), I'd get Sigilyph and whoever looks cool.
The Hustle ability can also be a pain in the ass at times. The lack of VS seeker also sucks as well since it would have helped with the training.
Will the Victini event be counted? Because if so, you can catch it pretty early, and is strong considering base 100 in all stats. You even get him right before the BUG gym, and could help if you chose Snivy (you'd get the water monkey so it could be your first access to a fire type.
Also should the list be updated with the english names now that serebii's confirmed them and everybody uses them?
Also should the list be updated with the english names now that serebii's confirmed them and everybody uses them?
Victini event is limited time only, so no.
You can access Route 4 and catch Darumaka...
what's the big deal anyway. >_> Darumaka is one of the best Pokemon in-game.
I think updating the list with english names is not so much based on the high credibility of serebii's list but rather on the tediousness of the task.
No, the victini event will not be counted since it expires pretty quickly (roughly a month after).
You guys should be glad I have no life.
I added translated names. The hide tag doesn't seem to work for me but if you qoute it, you can see it.
Fixed a spelling error (suddenly "Klink" becomes "Kling"... Sawk used Kling!); feel free to point any spelling errors out.
I added translated names. The hide tag doesn't seem to work for me but if you qoute it, you can see it.
Remember kids: This is different from the competitive tier lists, but at the same time can be something amusing to discuss!
Neutral Tier:
Reshiram
Zekrom
Top:
Oshawott
Tepig
Darumaka
Sandile
Drilbur
Sigilyph
High:
Petilil
Lillipup
Archen
Sawk
Tympole
Upper Mid:
Snivy
Cobalon
Virizion
Terrakion
Roggenrola (Access to Gigalith)
Throh
Timburr (Access to Conkeldurr)
Simisoak
Ducklett
Joltik
Scraggy
Mid:
Muuna
Deerling
Axew
Shelmet (Access to Accelgor)
Karrablast (Access to Escavalier)
Gothimu
Solosis
Dwebble
Roggenrola (Not able to trade)
Tirtouga
Vanillite
Druddigon
Venipede
Simisage
Simisear
Low Mid:
Durant
Minccino
Basculin
Golett
Frillish
Emolga
Yamask
Sewaddle
Maractus
Woobat
Blitzle
Litwick
Mienfoo
Patrat
Low:
Bouffalant
Cryogonal
Timburr (Not able to trade)
Elgyem
Ferroseed
Klink
Cottonee
Pidove
Trubbish
Bottom:
Purrloin
Heatmor
Pawniard
Stunfisk
Cubchoo
Tynamo
Shelmet (Not able to trade)
Karrablast (Not able to trade)
Audino
Foongus
Alomamola
Rufflet
Vullaby
Deino
Larvesta
Excluded:
(this part should be in hide tags)Zorua
Victini
Tornadus
Thundurus
Landorus
Kyurem
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect(this part should be in hide tags)
NOTES:
Neutral Tier:
Top:
High:
Upper Mid:
Mid:
Low Mid:
Low:
Bottom:
Excluded:
(this part should be in hide tags)Zorua
Victini
Tornadus
Thundurus
Landorus
Kyurem
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect(this part should be in hide tags)
NOTES:
- When discussing Pokemon moving up / down, please give at least a brief argument with proof as to why.
- You'll notice there are two different entries for some of the traded Pokemon. One assumes that trades are available, the other assumes that the player is doing a "no outside help" playthrough. Remember: THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH TRADES IS TO EVOLVE YOUR POKEMON! NOTHING MORE!
- Reshiram / Zekhrom are "Neutral Tier". Don't discuss them. It's too Spoiler-ridden.
You guys should be glad I have no life.
I added translated names. The hide tag doesn't seem to work for me but if you qoute it, you can see it.
Remember kids: This is different from the competitive tier lists, but at the same time can be something amusing to discuss!
Neutral Tier:
Reshiram
Zekrom
Top:
Oshawott
Tepig
Darumaka
Sandile
Drilbur
Sigilyph
High:
Petilil
Lillipup
Archen
Sawk
Tympole
Upper Mid:
Snivy
Cobalon
Virizion
Terrakion
Roggenrola (Access to Gigalith)
Throh
Timburr (Access to Conkeldurr)
Simisoak
Ducklett
Joltik
Scraggy
Mid:
Muuna
Deerling
Axew
Shelmet (Access to Accelgor)
Karrablast (Access to Escavalier)
Gothimu
Solosis
Dwebble
Roggenrola (Not able to trade)
Tirtouga
Vanillite
Druddigon
Venipede
Simisage
Simisear
Low Mid:
Durant
Minccino
Basculin
Golett
Frillish
Emolga
Yamask
Sewaddle
Maractus
Woobat
Blitzle
Litwick
Mienfoo
Patrat
Low:
Bouffalant
Cryogonal
Timburr (Not able to trade)
Elgyem
Ferroseed
Kling
Cottonee
Pidove
Trubbish
Bottom:
Purrloin
Heatmor
Pawniard
Stunfisk
Cubchoo
Tynamo
Shelmet (Not able to trade)
Karrablast (Not able to trade)
Audino
Foongus
Alomamola
Rufflet
Vullaby
Deino
Larvesta
Excluded:
Zorua
Victini
Tornadus
Thundurus
Landorus
Kyurem
Keldeo
Meloetta
Genesect
NOTES:
So in here, remember: this isn't competitive stuff, it's in-game stuff. Discuss nicely kids!
- When discussing Pokemon moving up / down, please give at least a brief argument with proof as to why.
- You'll notice there are two different entries for some of the traded Pokemon. One assumes that trades are available, the other assumes that the player is doing a "no outside help" playthrough. Remember: THE ONLY THING YOU CAN DO WITH TRADES IS TO EVOLVE YOUR POKEMON! NOTHING MORE!
- Reshiram / Zekhrom are "Neutral Tier". Don't discuss them. It's too Spoiler-ridden.
Fixed...
I believe the problem lies in that there is a hide list inside the hide part. I think the HTML got fucked up along the way, IDK. my programming sucks.
They are roaming version exclusives, but I agree they should be in the list. Just put in parenthesis (Black) or (White) to show in which version they're included. They'd probably be low tier, though. lol
Maybe somebody should contact him.
Also, props to Breludicolo for making that list in English.
Also, props to Breludicolo for making that list in English.
Has any one tried Accelgor? Any thoughts?
Catch around Gym 7, with weak moves. Have to make a specific trade to evolve. Doesn't learn bug buzz until lv.44, and has few options (Giga drain, Fail blast, sludge bomb) as well as frail defences.
Overall not good. (Good against Dark E4 though)
Also, How good is Swanna/Ducklett? Planning to replace panpour with it?
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