Inheritance [Prime Council Elected]

[yoman5]

I still like rock polish primal don heatran:

Heatran @ Air Balloon
Ability: Desolate Land
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Lava Plume
- Earth Power
- Focus Blast
- Rock Polish

Air baloon optional, but I like coming in on choicelocked things. Evs probably aren't optimal but the "common scarfers" aren't really known yet, so we'll see on that front. This thing is a sweet keldeo switchin and can just RP with impunity or fire off free sunboosted plumes. But, just like pdon/pogre they switch into each other, keep in mind (fblast only does 49-57 to standard specs keldeo). Thunderbolt IS an avilable coverage move, but I like focus blast to hit the solrock heatran set that's pretty popular.

 

[yikes]

Best Keldeo counter coming through.

Lanturn (Rotom-Heat) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Scald

Resists BoltBeam? Check. Immune to Water? Check. SE STAB? Check.

Most situational Altaria counter also coming through.

Exploud (Mantine) @ Leftovers
Ability: Soundproof
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Calm Nature
- Surf
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Toxic

Immune to Boomburst? Check. Resists Earth Power and Fire Blast? Check. Can status this thing to bring it down? Check. Has enough SpD to tank Draco? Check.

 

[Akumeoy]

This gets boped by the Blastoise set, although it does beat the Ogre one.

252 SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Keldeo Aura Sphere vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 404-476 (104.9 - 123.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

Well, yeah, but you can't really disguise Blastoise!Keldeo as Kyogre!Keldeo. I don't think anything's tanking everything from both Keldeos (specially defensive Primaldon!Victini is bopped by Dark Pulse, if Keldeo runs it), but as for checks, Serperior Sceptile outspeeds and OHKOs both it and Rhydon... only to get RKed by Landorus-T.

 

[motherlove]

Best Keldeo counter coming through.

Lanturn (Rotom-Heat) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpA
Bold Nature
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt
- Ice Beam
- Scald

Resists BoltBeam? Check. Immune to Water? Check. SE STAB? Check.

I've actually started using lanturn jolteon, it's pretty good check and has great coverage overall. And isn't weak to aerilate / gale wing (i need to calc this tho)

EDIT: Raikou's bulk hugely outclasses as he can take a bb from lando and ohko.

Raikou @ Life Orb
Ability: Water Absorb
Shiny: Yes
EVs: 40 Def / 252 SpA / 216 Spe
Timid Nature
- Ice Beam
- Hydro Pump
- Volt Switch
- Thunderbolt

252+ Atk Choice Band Landorus-T Brave Bird vs. 0 HP / 40 Def Raikou: 210-248 (65.4 - 77.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Life Orb Raikou Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Landorus-T: 562-665 (176.1 - 208.4%) -- guaranteed OHKO

 

[yikes]

Breloom(Snorlax) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Impish Nature
- Bulk Up
- Facade
- ThunderPunch
- Protect/spore

have fun :]
seriously though, i dont think i need to tell anyone why this set is good.

Gliscor gives it Knock Off as better coverage with Facade, although no Bulk Up or Spore hurts.

 

[yoman5]

Here's a Pinsir check.

Quagsire (Rhydon) @ Eviolite
Ability: Unaware
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 Def
Impish Nature
- Rock Slide
- Recover
- Toxic
- Earthquake

252 Atk Mega Pinsir Close Combat vs. 248 HP / 252+ Def Eviolite Unaware Rhydon: 126-150 (30.5 - 36.3%) -- 53.2% chance to 3HKO

Best part of this set? If you don't have an issue with setupmons you can run water absorb and screw with specs keldeo. (tho ice beam will 2hko if specs, won't otherwise, and megalauncher sets destroy it with aura sphere but lack of rain is a dead giveaway)

 

[Tarontos]

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poison heal sounds good for a variety of things i imagine poison heal Blissey with Sub seed could be irratating
Brellom (F)(Blissey) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Def / 8 SpD
Bold Nature
- Bulk Up/protect
- Spore/toxic
- Substitute/synthesis
- Leech Seed/synthesis
realy passive wall that can take hits on both sides after a boost
it won't get much health off of leech seed though



The amount of evolvite users who are usable now is fun
Ho-oh(Porygon2) @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Sacred Fire
- Recover
- Whirlwind
- Toxic
And you thought it was hard to kill before

Ho-oh(shelgon) @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
- Toxic
- Sacred Fire
- Whirlwind
- Protect
Satus spreader /staller

miensho(Doublade) @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 248 HP / 8 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- U-turn
- Fake Out
- Knock Off
- Toxic/Drain Punch
And you thought agieslash was hard to make stay dead

miensho(gurdurr) @ Eviolite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Drain Punch
- U-turn
- Knock Off
- Fake Out

Stab drain punch mixed with phenomal defense and passsable special defense make this thing a night mare

Spinda(Conkeldurr) @ Assault Vest
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Superpower
- Drain Punch
- Ice Punch/fire punch/thunder punch/power-up punch
- Rapid Spin/Sucker Punch
this thing is realy bulky and rediculisly strong after a super power combined with drain punch for staing power and ice coverage it is preaty hard to take down
rapid spin for support or sucker punch for priority your choice. Spinda may be bad but it has the move pool and ability to donate to many things

Spinda (Scarfty) @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Superpower
- Sucker Punch
- Drain Punch
- Fire/ice/thunder Punch
Basicly dual stab priority contary abuse

flygon(Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Tail
- U-turn
- Earthquake
- Aerial Ace
U-turn plus cirle thow is a rare combination and levitate gives many switch in opertunities

pangoru(Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Scrappy
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Circle Throw
- Parting Shot
- Earthquake
- Dual Chop
give the ability to phase Mega sabeleye before mega evolving strong phasing dual chop is draw back less out rage

lucario(Scizor) @ Scizorite
Ability: Steadfast
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Circle Throw
- Bullet Punch
- Earthquake
- Dual Chop
phasing plus bullet punch combo is nice strong dual chop capable of murdering heatran

I wanted some rediculisly strong phasing

What do you guys think of a clause that prevents a pokemon from donating to a team more than once?

Archeops has a better donor than that aggron notably tyrantum who gives him dragon dance and head smash

 

[Lcass4919]

Gliscor gives it Knock Off as better coverage with Facade, although no Bulk Up or Spore hurts.

yeah, losing bulk up is huge. i didnt dismiss gliscor, its just..i mean, i guess it can run roost, knock off, facade, and protect. but what is it going to accomplish barring being a specially offensive wall(terribad in a powerhouse physical tier) or a mixed bulk/offensive set that still dies to the most common attacks. bulk up gives it the ability to take on pokemon like landorus with a few boosts, sadly, gliscor doesnt give it that ability(however, still a perfectly fine option if you want a offensive special/mixed wall, just don't run swords dance because it lacks the physical bulk+ speed to make use of it imho)

also, tarontos, you have the name order mixed up. it should be Breloom(blissey) small nitpick, but huge in the teambuilder and will mix up people. lol.

 

[Snaquaza]

I wanna propose unbanning a couple of Pokemon. A few people have been asking about it already, and I think some Pokemon shouldn't be as good here. Afterwards we'll see what are the biggest threats and maybe ban stuff. (Contrary? Keldeo?)

Anyway discuss: Aegislash, Blaziken, Darkrai, Deoxys Defense, Deoxys Speed, Genesect, Greninja, Lucario Mega, Mawile Mega, Shaymin Sky.

These are most non-cover legend Ubers. Only that are excluded are Deoxys Attack and Normal, as they'd just destroy offense and defense with high powered Protean boosted attacks, while also being great with abilities like Download. Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Gengar are excluded as even though they are possibly worse here, due to everything getting huge boosts, they both have extremely strong qualities. Kangaskhan can either have extremely strong attacks (Extreme Speed, whatever you feel like) or great stallbreaking abilities (Super Fang, Night Shade or Seismic Toss). This would make it stupid to play against. Mega Gengar has Shadow Tag, which isn't fun. Otherwise all of them are really cool because of their normal abilities and movepool, but as they can get swapped a lot of Pokemon get access to them. Some still have great stats or a nice typing, but it'd be interesting to unban to see how it functions here. My biggest worries would be the quick Ubers as they could be both really powerful and speedy, while not taking up a Mega.

Mega Mawile might be controversial. I decided to allow discussion on it because it can still only have one Ability (which is great) and movepool additions shouldn't change too much, as it got about everything it really wanted offensively. It might still be too strong, but we can just discuss it.

Make sure to notice there aren't all unbanned yet, we'll first discuss them!

 

[motherlove]

I wanna propose unbanning a couple of Pokemon. A few people have been asking about it already, and I think some Pokemon shouldn't be as good here. Afterwards we'll see what are the biggest threats and maybe ban stuff. (Contrary? Keldeo?)

Anyway discuss: Genesect, Blaziken, Darkrai, Deoxys Defense, Deoxys Speed, Genesect, Greninja, Lucario Mega, Mawile Mega, Shaymin Sky.

These are most non-cover legend Ubers. Only that are excluded are Deoxys Attack and Normal, as they'd just destroy offense and defense with high powered Protean boosted attacks, while also being great with abilities like Download. Mega Kangaskhan and Mega Gengar are excluded as even though they are possibly worse here, due to everything getting huge boosts, they both have extremely strong qualities. Kangaskhan can either have extremely strong attacks (Extreme Speed, whatever you feel like) or great stallbreaking abilities (Super Fang, Night Shade or Seismic Toss). This would make it stupid to play against. Mega Gengar has Shadow Tag, which isn't fun. Otherwise all of them are really cool because of their normal abilities and movepool, but as they can get swapped a lot of Pokemon get access to them. Some still have great stats or a nice typing, but it'd be interesting to unban to see how it functions here. My biggest worries would be the quick Ubers as they could be both really powerful and speedy, while not taking up a Mega.

Mega Mawile might be controversial. I decided to allow discussion on it because it can still only have one Ability (which is great) and movepool additions shouldn't change too much, as it got about everything it really wanted offensively. It might still be too strong, but we can just discuss it.

Make sure to notice there aren't all unbanned yet, we'll first discuss them!

You forgot to mention genesect
deoxys D is basicly a less bulky cresselia so it can be unbanned.
as for blaziken, if infernape is not banned, blaziken shouldn't be.

Also, archeops carries a choice band so dragon dance is kinda meh.

 

[Tarontos]

Deoxys Speed with protean is really good- that may need some closer looking at before being unbanned
Gensect-is about optimal as is and can't get much better anyways(different yes not better)
Mega mawile with download-maybe a little broken with extreem speed backing it up even if it lacks a fairy stab
Greninja-not ban worthy considering what else is flying around
Blaziken--does this include mega blaziken-the speed boost running around on every thing and prankster distribution i can see thing being fine
Darkrai-well i hate sleep we have prankster running around already(protean may be an issue)
Shaymin sky-anything can inherit from him any ways un-ban
considering all the potent power running around is agieslash worth looking at as well?

 

[Snaquaza]

Deoxys Speed with protean is really good- that may need some closer looking at before being unbanned
Gensect-is about optimal as is and can't get much better anyways(different yes not better)
Mega mawile with download-maybe a little broken with extreem speed backing it up even if it lacks a fairy stab
Greninja-not ban worthy considering what else is flying around
Blaziken--does this include mega blaziken-the speed boost running around on every thing and prankster distribution i can see thing being fine
Darkrai-well i hate sleep we have prankster running around already(protean may be an issue)
Shaymin sky-anything can inherit from him any ways un-ban
considering all the potent power running around is agieslash worth looking at as well?

I accidentally put Genesect twice. Aegislash is now in the last instead of one of the Genesect.

 

[Throbulator36]

I'd say that Greninja and Megaluc are definitely safe to unban.

Greninja is outclassed by any pokemon that has better bulk/mixed offenses here.

Megaluc is outclassed by Lucario in almost every way(other than bulk and speed)

Therefore; if you aren't going to ban lucario/protean there is no reason to keep these pokemon banned(if you ban protean it'd be a good idea to unban greninja anyway.

 

[Tarontos]

Agieslash- fairly bulky depending on what it inhearits from with recovery it could have trouble being taken down
traditional agieslash is still the best by far out side of maybe a magic bounce/prankster/regen version version
i say unban

 

[yoman5]

So fun set time:

Escavalier @ Lum Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Gyro Ball
- X-Scissor
- Knock Off

I wanted to post this, I'll make a post about unban opinions when I've thought about it more. The ones requiring no thought before I just say my opinion are Blaziken(fine, just keep the mega banned), Darkrai(seems harmless, could reban if protean is too strong on it), Deoxys Defense(fine). The rest strike me as requiring more thought.

 

[Lcass4919]

aegislash i dont see being a problem, since protean(should be banned) and landorus(should be suspected) completely shit on it. but i digress. plus it being a complete joke without stance change(yes, i know it can run defensive sets, but ground, fire, and dark are all way to common atm).
Blaziken, as everyone says, is really just a weaker infernape in this meta, so i say unban.
Darkrai, basically it becomes "special weavile" of the teir, its strong, fast, but frail. problems that can arise, is that it can effectively run its usual set(voided subplot) and is the best at doing so by far, and possibly still break the teir. i'm on the fence about this but idk.
Deoxys Defense, basically worse cress, as mother love said.
Deoxys Speed, a complete monster with protean as AAA has proven. ban protean or i say "keep it where it is"
Genesect, another pokemon i'm on the fence about. 120/120/99 offenses are nothing to scoff at and is perhaps one of the bigger reasons it was banned. lack of download should make it better to manage though.
Greninja, literally has no reason to stay uber.
Lucario Mega, literally has no reason to stay uber.
Mawile Mega, mmm...no. it keeps huge power. and having shift gear+download boost or multiscale with dragon dance is definitely not fun to face,
Shaymin Sky- its really fast...and powerful...but has a god awful type. so yeah, unban.

 

[Kingslayer2779]

So fun set time:

Escavalier @ Lum Berry
Ability: Synchronize
EVs: 248 HP / 252 Atk / 8 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Trick Room
- Gyro Ball
- X-Scissor
- Knock Off

I wanted to post this, I'll make a post about unban opinions when I've thought about it more. The ones requiring no thought before I just say my opinion are Blaziken(fine, just keep the mega banned), Darkrai(seems harmless, could reban if protean is too strong on it), Deoxys Defense(fine). The rest strike me as requiring more thought.

Scolipede (Escavalier) @ Leftovers
Ability:Speed Boost Swarm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Megahorn
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance


EQ> Knock off because u don't want to be walled by Heatran, since his burns can gum up your tempo on Trick Room. Also I think we should test Greninja first, its least likely to be broken since inheriting pirority is so easy.

 

[Fisherman Walter]

Heres a couple things that are pretty fun to use

Tyranitar @ Leftovers/Life Orb
Ability: Dark Aura
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Sucker Punch
- Roost
- Rock Slide

Charizard @ Charizardite X
Ability: Delta Stream
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- V-create
- ExtremeSpeed
- Dragon Claw
- Dragon Dance

Both hit really hard, and are pretty self explanatory. TTar is really cool, especially with the dark aura boost, although that does give away the set. Zard X gets a tough claws boost with all its attacking moves, and also can utilize delta stream for negating weather and making it easier to switch in. I haven't used it at all, but yveltal could be cool with charizard y also, as it gets heat wave, oblivion wing and focus blast.

As for the bans, greninja doesn't really bring anything special to the meta, and neither does deo-d. I'm not sure why people are worrying about genesect either, because as a proteaner it would be outclassed by azelf, and I cant see it doing anything else worth mentioning. If deo-s doesn't get unbanned, darkrai and skymin could be cool with protean, and skymin could even possibly go mixed, but even then I feel like azelf is better. Everything else said i agree with.

 

[gggamer]

If shaymin-s is unbanned this set is gonna rek some shit

Serperior (Shaymin-Sky) @ Leftovers
Ability: Contrary
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 30 SpA / 30 Spe
- Substitute
- Leaf Storm
- Hidden Power [Fire]/[Ground]/[Rock]/[Ice]/[Fighting]
- Dragon Pulse

No flying STAB, quad ice shard weakness and awful coverage kind of suck, but base 130 nasty plots come off of 338 sp. atk are gonna hurt and substitute can help with skymins mediocre bulk and typing.

Might be a big threat

 

[xJownage]

This gets boped by the Blastoise set, although it does beat the Ogre one.

252 SpA Choice Specs Mega Launcher Keldeo Aura Sphere vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 404-476 (104.9 - 123.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

This set, however, is predictable; its obvious when its mega launcher because it will not pack primordial sea.

Running earthquake on primordial sea keldeo.

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not really.

 

[yikes]

This set, however, is predictable; its obvious when its mega launcher because it will not pack primordial sea.

Running earthquake on primordial sea keldeo.

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not really.

4 Atk Keldeo Earthquake vs. 248 HP / 0 Def Heatran: 212-252 (55 - 65.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Seems like a decent idea!
252 SpA Choice Specs Keldeo Hidden Power Ground vs. 248 HP / 252+ SpD Heatran: 272-320 (70.6 - 83.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Leftovers recovery
Not really.

 

[Throbulator36]

Scolipede (Escavalier) @ Leftovers
Ability:Speed Boost Swarm
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Gyro Ball
- Megahorn
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance


EQ> Knock off because u don't want to be walled by Heatran, since his burns can gum up your tempo on Trick Room. Also I think we should test Greninja first, its least likely to be broken since inheriting pirority is so easy.

greninja already has one of the best priorities in the game and shadow sneak so gaining priority is a moot point. especially when you consider that without protean it can only run 1 stab priority move which will usually be worse than shuriken.

 

[CactusCacti]

Honestly I'm pretty much willing to say all of the proposions could be unbanned considering how much power this meta already has, they wouldn't really feel much differerent in the scales.

and as other motive i really want to run tinted lens u turn genesect

 

[yikes]

greninja already has one of the best priorities in the game and shadow sneak so gaining priority is a moot point. especially when you consider that without protean it can only run 1 stab priority move which will usually be worse than shuriken.

He means that priority runs rampant.

 

[Red Cat]

This sounds like a very interesting meta. I might post some sets later, but I want to share my opinion on the possible unbans right now.

Aegislash: Unban. It can only take advantage of Stance Change if it uses its own relatively crappy movepool. To inherit any other Pokemon's moves, it is forced to stay in shield form.

Blaziken: Unban. The main reasons it's banned are it's movepool and Speed Boost which can both be inherited by other Pokemon now.

Darkrai: I say keep it banned. That speed tier and special attack sets it apart from OU Pokemon. It seems like it could easily abuse Protean, Adaptability, and Download because it outruns almost the entire unboosted meta and hits so hard.

Deoxys-Defense: Unban. Cresselia mostly outclasses it.

Deoxys-Speed: This is a tough one. Offensive sets really need Psycho Boost to be a threat, so it can't really do those sets any better in this meta than in standard tiers. Lead sets are better in some ways as it get Sturdy from Skarmory for example, but the increase in priority in this meta may offset that advantage. I lean unban since Deoxys-S doesn't gain as much in this meta relative to other Pokemon, but there is still an advantage to being easily the fastest Pokemon.

Genesect: Unban. Download and its movepool are the main reasons it is banned. Other Pokemon can probably run its sets better.

Greninja: Unban. Protean is its main selling point and now a lot of other Pokemon can do that better.

Lucario Mega: This is difficult. While a lot of other Pokemon can run Adaptability, Mega Lucario has the advantage of getting a second ability before mega evolving. Speed Boost from Blaziken for example allows it to pick up a free +1 speed before mega evolving and then it can abuse Adaptablility HJK along with Flare Blitz, Brave Bird, and Knock Off for coverage and there is basically no way to stop Luke other than priority. I lean to keep it banned because you have the freedom to choose the base form's ability.

Mawile Mega: For the same reason as I mentioned with Mega Lucario, I'd keep this banned. Picking up a Download boost from Genesect before Mega evolving gives it ridiculous turn 1 power. It now can set up with Shift Gear and we all know how powerful that is in STABmons. And oh yeah, Extremespeed.

Shaymin Sky: Much like Darkrai, it has speed and power well above OU pokemon. It just seems too easy to give it a LO or Choice Specs and spam Aerialate Hyper Voice from Salamence or run a Protean set. I'd keep it banned because nothing else gets 120 base SpA to go with base 127 speed and decent bulk too.