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G NuBz

Only reason this thread was bumped was because quite a few changes were made, and it's still not the best it can be.

So this is it. 4th Gen is coming to an end. And with that, my best 4th Gen team emerges.
After much testing with all of my teams, this had the greatest success overall.


Images by Arkeis.


The Team

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Azelf @ Expert Belt
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Atk
Naive nature (+Spe, -SpD)
- Psychic
- Flamethrower
- Grass Knot
- U-Turn
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Role: Azelf's role is to provide an excellent Special Attacking lead.

Moveset: This moveset allows for massive type coverage. Psychic is mainly for the occasional Gengar, and Machamp. Then Flamethrower is for some extra type coverage in general, mostly Ninjask. Grass Knot is great for Swampert leads, as it OHKO's with no problem. Finally, U-Turn is for other Psychic leads like Gallade and other Azelfs, along with providing a great way to switch.

EVs, Nature, and Item: The EVs give Azelf to OHKO almost anything. The Nature provides some speed which helps to outrun other Expert Belt leads. Finally, Expert Belt really helps since Azelf will almost always have a Super Effective move.

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Heatran (M) @ Shuca Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
Timid nature (+Spe,-Atk)
- Earth Power
- Flamethrower
- Hidden Power (Electric)
- Stealth Rock​


Role: Heatran's role is to help provide a clean sweep along with providing one part of a FWG core. Heatran can also be used to take out other Heatrans, thanks to Shuca Berry.

Moveset: Earth Power allows for some very useful extra move coverage. As for Flamethrower, I find that it is much more useful than Fire Blast because of Heatran's massive SpA since Fire Blast has a lower accuracy. Hidden Power Electric is extremely useful when it comes to Gyarados, and this can OHKO after Stealth Rocks. And Stealth Rock is just a must for all teams now.

EVs, Nature, and Item: The EVs allow for massive damage, and a lot of Speed. Timid nature also helps a lot to get some much needed extra quickness. And as I said before, Shuca Berry allows to take out Agility Metagross and other Heatrans.

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Gyarados (M) @ Leftovers
Ability: Intimidate
EVs: 156 HP/72 Atk/96 Def/184 Spd
Adamant nature (+Atk,-SpA)
- Dragon Dance
- Stone Edge
- Taunt
- Waterfall​


Role: Gyarados/Heatran combo is very common, because it works well. In this case, Gyarados's role is to complete a bulky sweep.

Moveset: This moveset allows for some great type coverage, along with being able to set up or cripple whatever comes in. +1 Waterfall, even on a bulky spread, can do a lot of damage. Stone Edge is very useful for taking out opposing Gyarados's along with the Flying type that comes in occasionally.

EVs, Nature, and Item: The EV's allow for some useful bulkyness, which allows Gyarados to get an attack off almost every time it comes in since it will most likely not be OHKO'd. The nature provides some extra attack which is needed since the Atk EVs aren't full. Then with all bulky Pokemon, leftovers is necessary.

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Breloom (M) @ Toxic Orb
Ability: Poison Heal
EVs: 4 HP/252 Atk/252 Spe
Jolly nature (+Spe, -SpA)
- Spore
- Seed Bomb
- Stone Edge
- Sky Uppercut​


Role: Breloom's role is to provide an excellent sweeper and cripple the opponent using Spore.

Moveset: This moveset gives Breloom a lot of type coverage. Spore is very useful for forcing a switch or taking out a major threat to the team. Then Seed Bomb is great for taking out Suicune or Ground types. Stone Edge proved to be very useful, especially when facing Gyarados. And finally, Sky Uppercut can be used for Blissey which easily stalls this team.

EVs, Nature, and Item: EVs allow for great Speed and the Nature helps to increase that. Then the item helps to restore any HP Breloom lost.

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Flygon @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Atk/252 Spe/4 SpD
Jolly (+Spe, -SpA)
- Earthquake
- U-Turn
- Outrage
- Thunder Punch​


Role: Provide a good Physical attacker along with a much needed Electric resistance.

Moveset: This moveset gives Flygon room to counter whatever it needs. Electric types are easily taken out by Earthquake, and Outrage is great for taking out Dragonite, which can be a pest. Then Thunder Punch is great for dealing with Gyarados, and finally, U-Turn allows for easy scouting.

EVs, Nature, and Item: The EVs, Nature, and item give Flygon the Speed and Attack it needs to do some massive damage.

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Jolteon @ Choice Specs
Ability: Volt Absorb
EVs: 252 SpA/252 Spe/4 HP
Timid (+Spe, -Atk)
- Shadow Ball
- Hidden Power (Ice)
- Thunderbolt
- Signal Beam​


Role: Provide a counter to a lot of threats to this team, along with a very powerful Electric move.

Moveset: This moveset gives Jolteon the type coverage it needs to come in on almost anything and OHKO it thanks to Choice Specs

EVs, Nature, and Item: The EVs and Nature give Jolteon a ton of Special Attack and Speed, then the Choice Specs just increases the Special Attack even more.
 
For roserade, why not breloom? it Aldo completes the FWG core, but instead of spreading poison, it can put crap to sleep! I don't know about synergy to the rest of your team, but it seems viable as a theory...
 
I would go with Taunt on Gyarados over Thunder Wave, if only because Toxic Spikes could prevent T-Wave from working. But besides that, good job!
 
I actually prefer Roserade on this team. It's quite a bit bulkier than Breloom, and provides valuable entry hazards to help support the team. With that in mind, however, I feel that Spikes are more useful than Toxic Spikes for this team. Toxic Spikes are more suitable for bulky team members that aim to stall out the opponent; examples include SubCM Jirachi and Crocune. For this reason, I'd like to recommend switching to a similar but bulkier Roserade set:

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Roserade @ Leftovers
Ability: Natural Cure
EVs: 252 HP / 120 Def / 136 SpD
Calm nature (+SpD, -Atk)
- Spikes
- Grass Knot / Energy Ball
- Hidden Power Ice
- Rest[/box]
The amount of special bulk that this set possesses is quite remarkable. It can easily switch into resisted attacks from the likes of Jolteon, Zapdos, and bulky-Water types, and begin laying down entry hazards. Spikes is more beneficial to your team, as you are utilizing rather offensive Pokemon. Energy Ball can be used if you wish, but I generally prefer Grass Knot, which hits most of its intended targets in OU harder. Rest helps keep Roserade healthy in the long run, as it fully restores any lost health and accumulated status ailments thanks to Natural Cure.

A couple of minor nitpicks: I also think Taunt would be more useful than Thunder Wave on Gyarados' moveset. The combination of Tyranitar (especially if you use Pursuit) and Taunt Gyarados can really help you out against stall teams, which can be somewhat difficult to play against. Also, try switching Rotom to a Scarf variant; it fits in better with the offensive nature of your team and provides you with a safe way to check opposing Gyarados.

Good luck with your team!
 
Thanks for the rates.
I have replaced Thunder Wave on Gyarados with Taunt, for a better Stall Breaker. And as for Roserade, I feel that Sleep Powder is extremely useful. I would like to have Spikes over Toxic Spikes but the Sleep Powder-Spikes combination is illegal. I will have to try this set then make my decision afterward. And another problem I see with the bulkier set is that Roserade loses some much needed speed. That is what makes Sleep Powder and HP Ice effective.

With Rotom-H, I'll have to try the Scarf set, since I have been having a small problem with Gyarados.

EDIT: I decided to keep the Roserade the way it is. But Rotom-H has been changed to a Scarf-Trick set.
 
Sorry this rate is a bit late. First, Swords Dance Lucario can completely sweep your entire team (with the possible exception of Machamp) with Close Combat/Swords Dance/ Crunch/Thunderpunch. There are two things I suggest to help with this. First, swap HP Ice to HP Fighting on your Roserade, then give Gyarados Ice Fang over taunt. This will allow Roserade to outspeed and probably OHK0 Luke, and make Gyarados a Dragon check. Second, change Gyarados's item to Life Orb and dump all its Defense EVs into Attack and Speed. This will allow it to be a more powerful attacker, and the Defense EVs aren't really needed, as Intimidate stops physical attackers in their traks anyway.

Hope this helps and good luck!
 
Well, with the recent popularity of Gallade in rising in order to beat Machamp... I can't really suggest another attacking lead but it's just something to watch out for. You're finding your tyranitar the least useful because odd sets not listed in smogon for TTar usually don't work because most of the options are covered. Regardless of Ev's physical fighting moves will RAVAGE tar, and his stab options can't kill them on the switch. Don't listen to the guy above about roserade being a check to SD cario, + 2 extreme speed OHKOs due to her pitiful physical defense. Scarftom is an effective check provided it hasn't tricked its scarf, even if it has if you change the nature to timid it gets the jump on adamant lucario and can OHKO with overheat, taking pittance from a resisted bullet punch if it has that. I agree that outside of the lead position toxic spiking roserade is pretty redundant, and even then toxic spikes roserade is pretty crap. The suggestion of spiking roserade is solid, or even scarf roserade to cripple an opposing pokemon with sleep and serve as a secondary revenger; as scarf tom is extremely week to tyranitars packing pursuit. Mixape with can easily run through this team provided it has thunder punch or stone edge, with your only check being rotom, which, as I said above, can easily be trapped. With that in mind I suggest a flygon, it gives you a useful electric immunity, can EQ as you requested and your choice of mixed life orb lure or scarf is up to you, depending on whether or not you need another revenger.
 
Try out the Ev spread Faladran gave you for Roserade. Also I suggest up at using Dragon Dance On Tyranitar. You have so much bulk on it so I'm pretty sure you can get 2 up which will give you the same speed as Rock Polish + double the attack.
 
Hey guys, thanks for all the rates.

I plan on trying the Roserade set once more, now with the other changes that have been made. I will also test a Flygon over Tyranitar. And as for Gyarados, I plan on keeping the set the way it is. It allows to sweep, while having enough bulk to take a hit or two.

EDIT: After testing, I find that all of these changes were complete failures. I think I'll just put it back then go from there. Although, I am going to keep Tyranitar replaced, but not by Flygon, I'll decide later.
 
Nice team!

Threats

  • Slight Bulky Water weakness
  • Slight LO Starmie threat
First of all, sorry about not getting this rate done earlier! Anyways: after the previous rates, you're team looks like its in tip-top shape after the rates provided by Faladran and the others, although to me, it looks like you have a slight bulky water weakness (specifically offensive CM Suicune along with offensive Vaporeon and Swampert), while also being slightly vulnerable to LO Starmie variant as for both of these threats, you'll really have to play around them to win; in Starmie's case, if the opponent makes a good prediction, you are probably going to lose a couple of Pokemon before actually being able to get past Starmie; Suicune falls into a similar vein, although after a couple of Calm Minds it'll present a more powerful threat.

Solutions

  • Choice Scarf Jirachi Lead
  • Passho Berry Heatran
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Heatran @ Passho Berry
Ability: Flash Fire
Nature: Mild (+SpA, -Def)
EVs: 36 HP / 252 SpA / 220 Spe
- Explosion
- Fire Blast
- Earth Power
- Hidden Power Grass[/box]
Fortunately, all of the threats I have mentioned can be heartily handled by two changes to the overall structure of your team. First of all, I recommend replacing Machamp as in this "phase" of the metagame, almost all teams have been prepared for it due to its recent usage spike; I suggest replacing it with a Choice Scarf Jirachi Lead which still maintains the momentum provided by Machamp while also being bl to lay down Stealth Rock, allowing you to tweak you Heatran. After making this change, I suggest replacing your current support Heatran variant which is no longer needed due to Jirachi providing Stealth Rock support with a Passho Berry variant (as shown above). This change will allow you to almost completely diminish the slight bulky water and LO Starmie weakness your team has, as now, Heatran will be able to help deal with the aforementioned threats. I hope this helped, and good luck!
 
Thanks for the rate!

The Jirachi Lead set sounds like a great idea. And with Heatran, I am going to go with the set you gave me. But, I find that the Shuca Berry has saved me a ton of times, and Heatran seems to be hit with an Earthquake more than a Water move. Other than that little change, the new Heatran set sounds perfect.

EDIT: Jirachi lead isn't really working out. I'm still having problems with CM Suicune and Machamp was actually working better. Switching back to Machamp for now. But if anyone has any suggestion on how to beat CM Suicune, please let me know.
 
Got your message: It should be noted that I am assuming Luke is on your team.
THREATS:
-Lead Machamp -normally outspeeds and defeats your lead, while potentially threatening to sweep your team.
-Electric-type Sweepers- Roserade is your only Electric resist at the moment is Roserade. HP Fire from Magnezone, and IPunch from a Motor Drive Electrivire both defeat Roserade. -This allows these pokes to sweep with unresisted STAB.
-Kingdra One of your Dragon resistances is frail, and the other is weak to Water attacks. Need I say more?
-Rotom-A -Other than Machamp, you have no means of actually harming a Scarmtom. With it's popularity as a spinblocker, not having a check is bad.
SOLUTIONS:
-Machamp: Take 28 EVs out of HP and into Attack on your Machamp. This allows you to outspeed and defeat opposing Machamp.
-Electric Sweepers: I recommend offensive Gliscor over Roserade to actually provide a semi-bulky Electric resist, and a great defensive Pokemon in general. Offensive helps keep the nature of the team similar to how it was with Roserade.
-Rotom-A: Crunch over Stone Edge on Lucario solves this problem,although Rotom-H is still annoying, but easily revenged by Gengar.
-Kingdra: Dragon Pulse over HP Grass on Heatran. This gives you perfect coverage, and a means of checking any Kingdra who dares to setup.

In short: A few nitpicks, and Gliscor>Roserade. I am probably wrong on most accounts, and Faladran and others almost ceratainly have better rates.
 
Thanks for the reply.

As you said, I do have a Kingdra weakness, and I have found a way to fix this. The RMT will be updated shortly to accommodate for this change. This will also allow for a Rotom-A counter which will also help this team greatly. And like you said, Magnezone poses a problem to this team. I'm hoping to find a fix for this soon but if anyone has any suggestions, I'd be happy to test them.
 
The reason for the passho berry over shuca was so that you could explode on suicines and other bulky waters, effectively making heatran the go-to guy for it. Of course you sac the heatran, but isn't that worth the dead sweeper on their side?
 
Yea but then I have to sacrifice my only Pokemon with a fire move. I'm thinking I should just change Lucario to something like a Magnezone with HP Fire. It'll allow me to rely less on Gengar since its the only thing with an Electric move and Magnezone can provide an extra fire attack for things like Scizor. And it also helps to deal with Gyarados, once again making me rely less on Gengar since I dont have the best counters for it. Lucario hasnt really been helping that much, but adding Magnezone doesnt exactly fix my CM Bulky Water weakness. But I guess thats what Trick Gengar is for :S

If anyone else has any other suggestions, please let me know.
 
I stand by my nitpicks, although I like your AgiliCario set. I would take Faladran's advice on a bulkier Roserade, or mine on Gliscor, as your lack of an Electric resist is still a problem. Lucario actually checks many things that Magnezone could not, but it is your choice.
 
Yea I'll have to test the Gliscor over Roserade, but as for the AgiliCario set, it's almost useless unless it can set up Agility. I guess ill try a Timid set insetad since usually it gets outsped easily. And i've actually been using Falandran's Roserade set for a while, just forgot to update the thread. But it hasnt really been working out. So like I said before, I'll try the Gliscor set, then update.

EDIT: Gliscor isn't really working out, but I did fix the AgiliCario set which helped its Speed. I put a couple extra EVs on there to help out.
 
lead machamp doesnt beat lead ninjask. substitute + protect > ice punch and bullet punch doesnt do a whole lot when its evs are placed in its defenses. i know from experience i can generally get plus 3 speed up against lead machamps and go to metagross to zen headbutt machamp. after that. i sweep you methinks. unless in the first place u switch to gyarados and taunt which is ur better option against lead ninjask.
 
It does beat Ninjask leads for the most part, but it doesnt beat what Ninjask Baton Passes to. And if you read the top of the thread, you'll see that I'm looking to replace Machamp.
 
Have you got a threat list already made? I wanted to work out whether you benefit more from Gengar or Starmie. I mean, lead Machamp, F/W/G, Ghost and a sweeper is pretty much the standard but I often found Starmie to be more useful than Gengar in most of my teams.

Starmie @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Natural Cure
Nature: Modest
EVs: 4HP / 252 Spa / 252 Spe
-Hydro Pump / Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Icebeam
-Trick

Get in early against Suicune and Trick a Scarf to limit his use. Scarf him on Calm Mind or HP Electric and Roserade can come in and finish the job (slowly if you Scarfed CM).

Just something to consider. I find the ability to lose the scarf to be extremely useful.
 
I honestly like Spikes Roserade better but i guess the Toxic Spikes help you wear down Gyara's counters. With that in mind Lucario is dead weight on this team, the Agility version wont hit hard enough to OHKO and Swords Dance Luke Doesn't have enough support.

I would suggest replacing Luke with Gliscor, it will give you another electric resist and help you check/counter things Gyara normally would conserving his HP to have an easier time sweeping later in the match. Gliscor can also poison things that Toxic Spikes didn't hit (Zapdos, Rotom).

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Gliscor @ Leftovers
Nature: Jolly
252 HP/ 216 Spe/ 40 Def
-Taunt
-Toxic
-Roost
-Earthquake


Is there any reason in why you use Gengar over Rotom-A? Rotom-W gets the same type coverage while being more defensive.

The last thing I want to suggest is changing HP Grass on Heatran. With Toxic Spikes, a grass type and a couple of members immune to Earthquake Swampert shouldn't be a problem. HP Electric still hits water types while getting a quick KO on Gyara (after Stealth Rocks) who threatens this team a bit. Or you can use Explosion at the price of Heatrans life. At the end the choice is yours.

Hope these suggestions helped and good luck!
 
Thanks for the rates.

@Smiles
I actually have been running a Trick Gengar set, I just forgot to update the tread. But I do like your Starmie idea, I'll have to give it a try.

@Chris P. Bacon
I'm aware that Lucario doesn't work for this team, which is why I'm looking for a replacement. And I've tried Gliscor, that completely failed so I'm considering putting it back to the original Pokemon I had in there, Bulky Tyranitar. Also, I originally had a Rotom-H in Gengar's spot but Trick Gengar seems to work better since this team lacked a Revenge Killer before I put him in.

EDIT: The Starmie is working great. Much better than Gengar. And I have replaced Lucario with Flygon, and Machamp with Azelf. Overall, the team has been working so much better. I'll update the thread with my current team.
 
Hey,

Choice Scarf Tyranitar would help against your Rotom-a weakness. You can't directly switch in due to W-O-W, but a combination of Heatran and Tyranitar make a good core to defeat Rotom. Tyranitar can switch into anything bar Will-O-Wisp, which is what Heatran is there for.

I also suggest Breloom over Roserade. Toxic Spikes is not VERY useful, and Breloom still gets to put a Pokemon to sleep via Spore.

Good luck!
 
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